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Jul 5th, 2016 02:48 PM
hurty
Re: Garbiñe Muguruza

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cindy and Kate View Post
I was hoping for Keys to make it through to the F, but she has not toughened up enough yet for the hard mental battles, and her first strike tennis is too risky and volatile to hold up well for seven matches in a row

Needles to say, Garbi has wasted a good chance to make it at least to the QF and play Kween Venus, as Safarova is in poor form and Slava was beatable. And then if she had won, the winner of Kerber/Halep in the SF (neither is playing particularly well imo, but both are taking advantage of respective draws) where she would have had a good chance. I know she can be excused after the mental and physical drain of the RG win, but it doesn't take from the fact that it was good chance nevertheless.

Now with every GS so open, making it through the first 2-3 rounds ( i.e: not flopping to scrubs) and positioning yourself well for the second week is going to be key to win a GS. Every wasted chance is worse now, when there are no 3-4 untouchable players anymore and you can meet the likes of Vinci, Bertens, Vesnina or Slava in the last rounds instead of the likes of Vika, Maria, Petra or Li.
Definitely. I was rooting for Keys to go deep here but it was obvious in the second set that her gameplan of aiming for outside the court or into the net wasn't going to hold up against a player as solid as Simona.

And yeah, the GS draws are so open now. This was yet another wasted chance to go far in a GS. In this transitional period of the WTA, she needs to make sure her occasional 'Garbage Mug' performance doesn't fall inside a Slam bc if healthy and consistent, she could pick up another Slam along the way w/ a good draw.
Jul 4th, 2016 07:21 PM
Cindy and Kate
Re: Garbiñe Muguruza

I was hoping for Keys to make it through to the F, but she has not toughened up enough yet for the hard mental battles, and her first strike tennis is too risky and volatile to hold up well for seven matches in a row

Needles to say, Garbi has wasted a good chance to make it at least to the QF and play Kween Venus, as Safarova is in poor form and Slava was beatable. And then if she had won, the winner of Kerber/Halep in the SF (neither is playing particularly well imo, but both are taking advantage of respective draws) where she would have had a good chance. I know she can be excused after the mental and physical drain of the RG win, but it doesn't take from the fact that it was good chance nevertheless.

Now with every GS so open, making it through the first 2-3 rounds ( i.e: not flopping to scrubs) and positioning yourself well for the second week is going to be key to win a GS. Every wasted chance is worse now, when there are no 3-4 untouchable players anymore and you can meet the likes of Vinci, Bertens, Vesnina or Slava in the last rounds instead of the likes of Vika, Maria, Petra or Li.
Jul 1st, 2016 03:16 AM
ServiceGagnant
Re: Garbiñe Muguruza

^ Spot on. But if this is the worst i can get from Garbine, I think i can live with that
Jul 1st, 2016 02:19 AM
Peak Pierce
Re: Garbiñe Muguruza

I'm still adopting a "wait and see" stance with Muguruza. I like a lot of what I see, but then she has these moments like today where it's clear there's still a lot of maturing that needs to happen. Overall, I still think she's miles ahead of her contemporaries.

Bouchard occasionally had the fight but never the game. Keys has the game but struggles with the competitive mettle. Stephens has terrible footwork and is prone to the same sour attitude when not playing at her best. I think Garbiñe has the best blend of fight and game among the 1991-and-later girls.

Given how she rebounded from previous slumps and did well in the fall and again at RG, I'll cut her some slack on her current results before I start giving her the Kvitova label of "talented headcase" (who can only deliver once or twice every few years). She clearly needs to sort things out, but I think she's hungry enough to not just accept her current state of inconsistency.
Jul 1st, 2016 12:21 AM
Tennis Fool
Re: Garbiñe Muguruza

2 & 3 to qualifier Cepelova

I had her back in the finals
Jun 30th, 2016 10:29 PM
hurty
Re: Garbiñe Muguruza

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Originally Posted by Cindy and Kate View Post
^^

Indeed no excuse.

Strycova is a very good and talented player, I really like her. She's super fun to watch, but she's a headcase Her losses against McHale and Svitolina were indeed awful.

Ofc winning RG was great, and I was expecting a letdown this W, but it's been disappointing because the way it happened and against Cepalova of all ppl Losing to anyone from Safarova onwards would have been perfectly fine, and kindda expected after RG, but not to someone who has barely won matches this season.

Anyway, Garbi has to rest, regroup and focus on the rest of the season, where there's still a GS, a PM and the YEC to play. I hope she will learn from all that's happened to her this year, the very good, the good and the bad, and will become a more mature and tougher competitor, more in the mold of Serena, Maria and Victoria.
I love Barbie as well
In my opinion, she possesses more variety, craft and touch than the 'Queen Ninja'. I hope she goes far this Wimby. She doesn't handle pace as well though, and sucks in finals, probably why she's never cracked Top 20

Yeah, I too thought she would lose to Lucie in R3, which would have been an acceptable loss. She has a long way to go before reaching those heights (Serena, Maria, Vika) though.

And that excuse really irked me, because she had nearly three weeks to recover for Wimby. If winning RG, losing immediately in Mallorca, and training for one week is too much for her, then she needs to work a lot on her conditioning. Ugh, I wouldn't be able to handle another Petra, one who constantly loses matches because of illnesses and 'periods'

Difference is Petra at least tries. Still, thinking that 3 years ago she had a career-threatening injury, makes me kinda proud of where she is now, despite these crap performances.
Jun 30th, 2016 08:47 PM
Tecumseh
Re: Garbiñe Muguruza

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Originally Posted by ServiceGagnant View Post
What a let down after that convincing R1's performance against Camila. Garbine simply couldnt put the ball on court even if her life depended on it Terrible attitude as well. She really needs to learn how to unleash her fighting beast when she's trailing.

AO flop, RG won, W flop, USO should be victorious then
This is certainly better than reaching the SF three times.

I expected an early flop at Wimbledon, but I am very surprised she got routined like this by Cepelova. Garbine diddn't seem to be that disappointed in the presser. She said that she simply lacked energy today.

But I was really shocked about her performance. Even against Strycova she was playing better.
Jun 30th, 2016 08:21 PM
Cindy and Kate
Re: Garbiñe Muguruza

^^

Indeed no excuse.

Strycova is a very good and talented player, I really like her. She's super fun to watch, but she's a headcase Her losses against McHale and Svitolina were indeed awful.

Ofc winning RG was great, and I was expecting a letdown this W, but it's been disappointing because the way it happened and against Cepalova of all ppl Losing to anyone from Safarova onwards would have been perfectly fine, and kindda expected after RG, but not to someone who has barely won matches this season.

Anyway, Garbi has to rest, regroup and focus on the rest of the season, where there's still a GS, a PM and the YEC to play. I hope she will learn from all that's happened to her this year, the very good, the good and the bad, and will become a more mature and tougher competitor, more in the mold of Serena, Maria and Victoria.
Jun 30th, 2016 07:54 PM
hurty
Re: Garbiñe Muguruza

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Originally Posted by Cindy and Kate View Post
All top players win many matches every year by playing ugly, but they keep their intensity, play/grind with more margin but with intent and make their opponents feel all the time they are still in the match and waiting for their chance to pounce, which happens 90% of the times with the inevitable choke when push comes to shove.

Garbi doesn't know how to win ugly. When she's not playing well she gets increasingly tight to the point where she can't go for her shots or either grind properly. Then she totally loses the plot after the first set and checks herself out of the match in the second set. This has become a bit of a worrying pattern this season, and it can happen against anyone, regardless of form of ranking. Today she made a very mediocre player like Cepalova feel so comfortable out there, never sent her the message that she was fighting and still in the match, didn't give her a chance to feel the pressure of a comeback and choke, she instead checked herself out of the match after the first set while Cepalova only grew more and more confident watching Garbi fall apart.

This is going to remain an attitude related massive issue imo. If she doesn't sort it out she will become a less talented Kvitova with seasons full of inexcusable losses and dependent on finding the purple patch at just the right moment, which sometimes she'll find, like fortunately she did at RG, but mostly she won't.
Pretty much.

And it's always against players who, like, don't really have games to consistently trouble many top players, or to even beat Garbi with such convincing scorelines. This year, alone: She won 5 games against Strycova, 9 games against Svitolina, 6 games against McHale and now... 5 games against... Cepelova

In her press conference, she said it was a combination of Jana playing really well and her being 'low on energy'. She also said that she knew Wimbledon was going to be a 'very rough' tournament for her. Well, she should have never gone to Mallorca (at least got paid though!) and shouldn't have trained as much before Wimby. But it's still a weak excuse. Today was embarrassing on an unprecedented level.
Jun 30th, 2016 07:29 PM
Cindy and Kate
Re: Garbiñe Muguruza

All top players win many matches every year by playing ugly, but they keep their intensity, play/grind with more margin but with intent and make their opponents feel all the time they are still in the match and waiting for their chance to pounce, which happens 90% of the times with the inevitable choke when push comes to shove.

Garbi doesn't know how to win ugly. When she's not playing well she gets increasingly tight to the point where she can't go for her shots or either grind properly. Then she totally loses the plot after the first set and checks herself out of the match in the second set. This has become a bit of a worrying pattern this season, and it can happen against anyone, regardless of form of ranking. Today she made a very mediocre player like Cepalova feel so comfortable out there, never sent her the message that she was fighting and still in the match, didn't give her a chance to feel the pressure of a comeback and choke, she instead checked herself out of the match after the first set while Cepalova only grew more and more confident watching Garbi fall apart.

This is going to remain an attitude related massive issue imo. If she doesn't sort it out she will become a less talented Kvitova with seasons full of inexcusable losses and dependent on finding the purple patch at just the right moment, which sometimes she'll find, like fortunately she did at RG, but mostly she won't.
Jun 30th, 2016 05:26 PM
ServiceGagnant
Re: Garbiñe Muguruza

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Originally Posted by hurty View Post
She has actually been pushing for the entire year
When her game isn't clicking, she pushes, and it harms her... because she isn't going for her shots and that affects her mindset. I've watched soooo many of these matches from her this year.

I hope she doesn't get too upset about it

Sometimes I wish that she didn't go on one of her 'Garbage Mug' performances every few tournaments, where she starts crying because she doesn't want to work on court. But as long as she keeps herself in check, I wish her the very best for the rest of the year!

As I said a long time back, she will ALWAYS have a career waiting for her.
I actually dont mind if she learns how to "push" better (or maybe grinding is the better term). Serena and Maria have been very consistent on tour because they know when their winners are nowhere to be found, they can force their opponent by "grinding" the opponent.

I wrote it in GM that for me her only problem is her attitude. I guess it's the hardest to learn. As you say it, once she forgets to check her self mentally when she is in tight position, she is so vulnerable to losing the plot.

And i agree with you. I believe she'll have a great career. I dont expect too much from her, but based on how she has progressed since 2013, I have faith on her.
Jun 30th, 2016 05:10 PM
hurty
Re: Garbiñe Muguruza

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Originally Posted by ServiceGagnant View Post
The funny thing, the way I see it, when her power game is off the chart, Garbine could have a chance if she resorted to "pushing", just hit the ball back without trying too much injecting the pace nor changing the direction of the ball. She can do that, but i guess her natural instict is to be the agressor
She has actually been pushing for the entire year
When her game isn't clicking, she pushes, and it harms her... because she isn't going for her shots and that affects her mindset. I've watched soooo many of these matches from her this year.

I hope she doesn't get too upset about it

Sometimes I wish that she didn't go on one of her 'Garbage Mug' performances every few tournaments, where she starts crying because she doesn't want to work on court. But as long as she keeps herself in check, I wish her the very best for the rest of the year!

As I said a long time back, she will ALWAYS have a career waiting for her.
Jun 30th, 2016 04:34 PM
Owl-on-speed
Re: Garbiñe Muguruza



That was just so bad. All those points lost, not even got a sniff at no. 1.
Jun 30th, 2016 04:33 PM
ServiceGagnant
Re: Garbiñe Muguruza

The funny thing, the way I see it, when her power game is off the chart, Garbine could have a chance if she resorted to "pushing", just hit the ball back without trying too much injecting the pace nor changing the direction of the ball. She can do that, but i guess her natural instict is to be the agressor
Jun 30th, 2016 04:31 PM
allracquetsports
Re: Garbiñe Muguruza

I only caught the tail end of the match but is there any chance that Gabby was ill? It seemed as if she couldn't move her feet and I don't think she played more than 3 consecutive shots in court. She looked very down but that could be because she was dispirited being a set and 2 breaks down.
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