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Yesterday 09:45 PM
hurty
Re: Garbiñe Muguruza

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Originally Posted by Peak Pierce View Post
In a way, I think Garbiñe might benefit from a similar approach. She seems almost bogged down by trying to be all these different things at once (net rusher, power grinder, pusher) and while it's won her some matches, she's chronically unhappy and injured. At her best, it's always been a pretty simple strategy: Aggression, moving forward, beating her opponents into submission. She's never been the most powerful, but she's been good at that Sharapova/Seles-like onslaught of aggression that at her peak she can eventually batter an opponent into submission.

At this point, I'd advocate editing out all the excess noise and just focusing on her strengths. With a new coach who'd be willing to switch that forehand grip back to semi-Western.


I was just watching highlights of her match against Vika this time last yr, and it brought tears to my eyes. The onslaught, the shotmaking, the controlled aggression... all gone And even though she lost that match, it was probably the best she played last year.
Yesterday 04:51 PM
Peak Pierce
Re: Garbiñe Muguruza

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Originally Posted by Cindy and Kate View Post
Yeah, despite the improvements this season there always seems to be something off about Garbiñe. There's always too much tension around her and this air of frustration even when she wins. The interactions with Sumyk were amusing at first, but they are starting to look like they are too much too handle for both. Those weird OCC look more like a chance for her to vent her frustration on him than anything else. I am sure Sumyk would have gone by now, but $$$ talks (his rushings off the stands and his face after OCC and during matches say everything).

To me Garbi looks like she's unable to put all the pieces of her game together, and Sumyk is unable to do it; also his too conservative approach may avoid those early exits, but at very high price, as too many matches turn into 3 hour long grinding messes with the expected physical breakdown in the next rounds. She needs someone who can help her to join all the dots together and turn her into a more confident and emotionally and tactically stable player. Also her issues with the FH + big hitters need to be addressed at some point. If not she's always bound to bee blown off court by the Pliskovas, Cocos, Puigs, etc.. She also should use her serve as a big weapon, which rarely happens, and her net game would improve so much if she could hit one handed BH conventional volleys.

As one of the post above stated, the tour is too much of a mess atm. This should be the time to take advantage, not to contribute to that mess. To cut a long story short, the sooner she fires Symuk the better.
Do you ever listen to the No Challenges Remaining podcast?

During the Australian Open they had a really interesting episode where they compared Pliskova to a strategy for taking the bar exam to become a lawyer in the States. The gist of it was that the test is so comprehensive, it's near impossible to adequately cover all the possible subjects, so one strategy experts recommend is to drop your weakest subject and focus on your strengths in the hopes that the test won't cover your weakness. And apparently it's a strategy that works quite often... and if it doesn't, well, you accept your defeat.

They used this as a parallel to Pliskova's strategy and how effective it is. The strategy being that you edit things down to "focus on your strengths." They said she knows her movement and defensive skills are very weak, but instead of trying to be everything all at once, she's simply just identified the strengths (the penetrating groundstrokes and lethal serve) and focuses on capitalizing on those, and it wins her most of the matches she plays. They also discussed how if you can identify your strengths and maximize it (Ivanovic's forehand when she was on, was another example), you can essentially overwhelm your opponent to the point of them not being able to pick at your weaknesses.

In a way, I think Garbiñe might benefit from a similar approach. She seems almost bogged down by trying to be all these different things at once (net rusher, power grinder, pusher) and while it's won her some matches, she's chronically unhappy and injured. At her best, it's always been a pretty simple strategy: Aggression, moving forward, beating her opponents into submission. She's never been the most powerful, but she's been good at that Sharapova/Seles-like onslaught of aggression that at her peak she can eventually batter an opponent into submission.

At this point, I'd advocate editing out all the excess noise and just focusing on her strengths. With a new coach who'd be willing to switch that forehand grip back to semi-Western.
Yesterday 11:11 AM
ServiceGagnant
Re: Garbiñe Muguruza

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Originally Posted by hurty View Post
Caro is a really good match up for her. Shame the heat got to her.

Anyway, the clay couldn't come quicker! If she flops here, then, lol.
Agree. Honestly tennis bores me lately. Dont know really why. My faves floping and showing zero interest in their tennis obviously do not help as well. Maybe once Maria is coming, and Garbine and Novak can pick up their peak performance on clay, the willing to spend slepless nights alone watching tennis may be back...
Yesterday 08:13 AM
Cindy and Kate
Re: Garbiñe Muguruza

Yeah, despite the improvements this season there always seems to be something off about Garbiñe. There's always too much tension around her and this air of frustration even when she wins. The interactions with Sumyk were amusing at first, but they are starting to look like they are too much too handle for both. Those weird OCC look more like a chance for her to vent her frustration on him than anything else. I am sure Sumyk would have gone by now, but $$$ talks (his rushings off the stands and his face after OCC and during matches say everything).

To me Garbi looks like she's unable to put all the pieces of her game together, and Sumyk is unable to do it; also his too conservative approach may avoid those early exits, but at very high price, as too many matches turn into 3 hour long grinding messes with the expected physical breakdown in the next rounds. She needs someone who can help her to join all the dots together and turn her into a more confident and emotionally and tactically stable player. Also her issues with the FH + big hitters need to be addressed at some point. If not she's always bound to bee blown off court by the Pliskovas, Cocos, Puigs, etc.. She also should use her serve as a big weapon, which rarely happens, and her net game would improve so much if she could hit one handed BH conventional volleys.

As one of the post above stated, the tour is too much of a mess atm. This should be the time to take advantage, not to contribute to that mess. To cut a long story short, the sooner she fires Symuk the better.
Yesterday 12:16 AM
hurty
Re: Garbiñe Muguruza

Caro is a really good match up for her. Shame the heat got to her.

Anyway, the clay couldn't come quicker! If she flops here, then, lol.
Mar 27th, 2017 07:17 PM
Peak Pierce
Re: Garbiñe Muguruza

I actually think she would have won that match against Wozniacki, despite losing the first set. That being said, so this is her third(?) retirement already this season?

It's funny, because she's actually been much more consistent this season compared to this time last year, and she's even been inching closer and closer back to a more aggressive, fight-it-out mindset, but still... something seems off. There's something so joyless and weary about most of these matches.

I'm not sure if that's just part and parcel of the added expectations or if it really is the coaching situation. I've actually agreed a lot with Sumyk's advice on these on-court coaching exchanges, but from an outsider's perspective there's still a disconnect there between his words and her results. The only time things really seemed to be clicking was during the 2015 fall swing, and at the time I thought she was well on her way to achieving a consistent-but-aggressive game plan that yielded results. Even RG 2016 seemed more like a temporary hot streak than a sustainable plan.

In any case, she's still relatively young and has been improving/winning ugly (which is what a champion needs) since her mostly dire 2016, but it still seems like this isn't a great coaching situation. This volatility and constant breaking down (physically and emotionally) with Sumyk just doesn't seem to be worth all the toil.

I still think she's skilled enough and the tour is still in flux to the point where her matches need not be such arduous battles against most of the field. Now is the time she should be capitalizing on the disarray, not contributing to it.
Mar 26th, 2017 12:28 PM
ServiceGagnant
Re: Garbiñe Muguruza

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Originally Posted by Plies View Post
This article talks about her practice session from yesterday. It says her and Sam were not on speaking terms. Their relationship is so strange and disharmonious, she always seems angry at him.

Tennis.life - The calm after the storm with Team Muguruza pays off with a win - Tennis.life
I do agree that their relationship is not "normal" per se, but this is only from one session, so I'm not going to take a conclusion. Even if in the end they break pathways, isn't something that many of us have been waiting for? My guts saying he'll be staying at least until RG is over.
Mar 26th, 2017 09:03 AM
Plies
Re: Garbiñe Muguruza

This article talks about her practice session from yesterday. It says her and Sam were not on speaking terms. Their relationship is so strange and disharmonious, she always seems angry at him.

Tennis.life - The calm after the storm with Team Muguruza pays off with a win - Tennis.life
Mar 25th, 2017 11:51 PM
Martn7
Re: Garbiñe Muguruza

Garbi won another match after losing the first set, it was a better level of play in the last two sets. I hope Garbi and Caro will play against each other, I'm looking forward to the FH to FH rallies in their match
Mar 25th, 2017 10:46 AM
Cindy and Kate
Re: Garbiñe Muguruza

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Originally Posted by ServiceGagnant View Post
That's kinda harsh. I appreciate her fighting, really. Any win is good, especially the ugly ones.
I remember saying something "I love it more when my faves are winning ugly, more drama!". God granted my wish. I dont think my heart can handle this shit anymore

And who knows? For me there's this "newly found appreciation" for Sumyk on how he handled that OCC. "Dont tell me to STFU, but now we're good and let's win". Gold
If she hadn't fought, she would have lost 0 and 3, or something. She won yesterday because McFail truly made honor to her name and she also said to her coach that she felt exhausted in the third set, but it was really awful to watch. Another more steady player and she would be out. I know there was a lot of wind, but even so, it was a real shitshow. The kind of match you feel like neither especially deserves to win, they are both so bad and choking so much. It's good that she fought, but really, that's what professional players are supposed to do.

About the "incident" with Sam, I don't like it, ofc, but their OCC are always super weird, and that was something that happened in the heat of the moment under very stressful circumstances, as you said in GM. The fact that she cried means that it bothered her and she regretted it. So I hope it will never happen again. It's good that Sam put her in her place.

Does she plays Zhang next ? She was almost out against Day and then she played 2 very good matches. At least Garbi has beaten several players she lost to last year: BS, Sevastova, Svitolina, Flipkens, McFail.. ..
Mar 25th, 2017 08:52 AM
ServiceGagnant
Re: Garbiñe Muguruza

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Originally Posted by hurty View Post
This is so accurate and also so sad. I wish she didn't win.
That's kinda harsh. I appreciate her fighting, really. Any win is good, especially the ugly ones.
I remember saying something "I love it more when my faves are winning ugly, more drama!". God granted my wish. I dont think my heart can handle this shit anymore

And who knows? For me there's this "newly found appreciation" for Sumyk on how he handled that OCC. "Dont tell me to STFU, but now we're good and let's win". Gold
Mar 24th, 2017 08:03 PM
hurty
Re: Garbiñe Muguruza

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Originally Posted by Cindy and Kate View Post
I did. By the first 2 games you knew it was going to be one of those days (you just know by now). She was again reverting to that FH to FH CC grinding shit, regardless of that being McHale's only great shot so McHale was more than happy to oblige and break down Garb's crappy FH over and over by hitting deep or hitting open wide, as Garbi cannot defend with that ridiculous grip. Then when she saw that wasn't working she was ballbashing and missing by miles. The same old 2016 shit when she was losing the first set in 20 minutes, wasting every BP and looking totally clueless. Every slight improvement that she showed in IW was nowhere to be seen. Frankly, it was very very embarrassing to watch.
This is so accurate and also so sad. I wish she didn't win.
Mar 24th, 2017 12:29 PM
Javi
Re: Garbiñe Muguruza

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Originally Posted by Cindy and Kate View Post
I did. By the first 2 games you knew it was going to be one of those days (you just know by now). She was again reverting to that FH to FH CC grinding shit, regardless of that being McHale's only great shot so McHale was more than happy to oblige and break down Garb's crappy FH over and over by hitting deep or hitting open wide, as Garbi cannot defend with that ridiculous grip. Then when she saw that wasn't working she was ballbashing and missing by miles. The same old 2016 shit when she was losing the first set in 20 minutes, missing every BP and looking totally clueless. Every slight improvement that she showed in IW was nowhere to be seen. Frankly, it was very very embarrassing to watch.
But yeah this is totally what I Imagined it was happening
Mar 24th, 2017 12:22 PM
Cindy and Kate
Re: Garbiñe Muguruza

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Originally Posted by Javi View Post
Bagelled by McFail Your faves could never
Anyone watched it? Sounds like a nightmare.

Garbi, sort this out pls.
I did. By the first 2 games you knew it was going to be one of those days (you just know by now). She was again reverting to that FH to FH CC grinding shit, regardless of that being McHale's only great shot so McHale was more than happy to oblige and break down Garb's crappy FH over and over by hitting deep or hitting open wide, as Garbi cannot defend with that ridiculous grip. Then when she saw that wasn't working she was ballbashing and missing by miles. The same old 2016 shit when she was losing the first set in 20 minutes, wasting every BP and looking totally clueless. Every slight improvement that she showed in IW was nowhere to be seen. Frankly, it was very very embarrassing to watch.
Mar 24th, 2017 12:01 PM
Javi
Re: Garbiñe Muguruza

Bagelled by McFail Your faves could never
Anyone watched it? Sounds like a nightmare.

Garbi, sort this out pls.
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