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Sep 18th, 2017 06:49 PM
HelloMugsie
Re: Garbiñe Muguruza

The first thing in my head was also Conchita being a permanent fixture in Garbine's team.

Is anyone else really really interested to see how Garbine handles No.1? I cannot wait for her first match!
Sep 16th, 2017 11:35 AM
TennisFed
Re: Garbiñe Muguruza

Quote:
Originally Posted by 2_for_the_money View Post
Nice one about Symuk @hurty ! Seems like he is picking all of the fruits of Garbis talent and winning. Seriously with regards to him i really dont know what to think. Cant praise him but also i wouldnt criticize him as much. I think Garbines defensive game is raised through his approach. He must be doing something right at least, bcs she wouldnt be keeping him around for no reason. However he is the least concern now, priority is she is playing really well lately. There will be time to bash him but for now lets leave him in peace!

I think her physio is doing a great job, she always hangs alongside Sam and Garbi seems far less injured and/or unfit since she is there. Credit to her, dont know her name though...

I mean if Garbi could survive that 3 hour mugfest vs. Kuznetsova and go on to win the tournament, she can as well get through the remainder of the season healthy as well i suppose especially if she keeps winning first rounds against scrubs in fast two setters. It comes off as a warm up really. Let her play now when she has form i would say. Season end is anyway around the corner there will be enough time to rest. But i think it would be very wise to skip Wuhan.
Garbine ain't going to hang onto No 1 at all costs. That being said I'd like to have her having more weeks at No 1 than prolly Karolina.

Draw in Tokyo looks decent. She could play erratic Monica Puig in the 2nd Round.

Keep in mind this is all new now for our Garbi being the Top Dog, everyone expecting her winning Matches 80% of the time as No 1 Player. This is where Sam Sumyks Experience comes in handy having coached a former No 1 Player (Vika). He knows what's required to prepare for these Matches.

I'm disagreeing with hurty about Oz next year. I think Garbine could do well there cuz it's fast, just has to avoid having to play a big Power Player like Coco and Maddy.

We should stop pretending that Garbine can only play at RG & Wimbledon.
Sep 15th, 2017 08:22 AM
Cindy and Kate
Re: Garbiñe Muguruza

Conchita was unceremoniously sacked despite the fact that she was an excellent FC team captain, but I can well imagine the petty favoritisms and underhand politics behind this decision. And the way the tennis spanish federation has handled this, is as classless as it could be, but not surprises there.


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Originally Posted by Peak Pierce View Post
Well, people are reporting that Conchita has been fired from her duties as Davis Cup/Fed Cup captain. She's naturally not happy about this:

COMUNICADO - Conchita, decepcionada por la destitución de los cargos de Copa Davis y Copa Federación

Don't act like you aren't secretly hoping Garbiñe is putting in a call to Conchita as we speak...

On the flip side, if someone's going to help Garbi change that forehand, Conchita probably isn't all that likely to veto an extreme Western grip
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My first thought.

I agree about she not being the one to make technical changes in Garbiñe's game, but I still think she would be better than Sumyk. I like the chemestry the all girls team had at Wimbledon, because Alicia, her physio, is also a very relaxed girl, and those cool vibes, on and off court, undoubtly helped Garbiñe to play more freely and not to panic when she was under pressure, which she did against Petra at the USO.
Sep 14th, 2017 09:13 PM
Peak Pierce
Re: Garbiñe Muguruza

Well, people are reporting that Conchita has been fired from her duties as Davis Cup/Fed Cup captain. She's naturally not happy about this:

COMUNICADO - Conchita, decepcionada por la destitución de los cargos de Copa Davis y Copa Federación

Don't act like you aren't secretly hoping Garbiñe is putting in a call to Conchita as we speak...

On the flip side, if someone's going to help Garbi change that forehand, Conchita probably isn't all that likely to veto an extreme Western grip.
Sep 11th, 2017 11:29 PM
2_for_the_money
Re: Garbiñe Muguruza

Nice one about Symuk @hurty ! Seems like he is picking all of the fruits of Garbis talent and winning. Seriously with regards to him i really dont know what to think. Cant praise him but also i wouldnt criticize him as much. I think Garbines defensive game is raised through his approach. He must be doing something right at least, bcs she wouldnt be keeping him around for no reason. However he is the least concern now, priority is she is playing really well lately. There will be time to bash him but for now lets leave him in peace!

I think her physio is doing a great job, she always hangs alongside Sam and Garbi seems far less injured and/or unfit since she is there. Credit to her, dont know her name though...

I mean if Garbi could survive that 3 hour mugfest vs. Kuznetsova and go on to win the tournament, she can as well get through the remainder of the season healthy as well i suppose especially if she keeps winning first rounds against scrubs in fast two setters. It comes off as a warm up really. Let her play now when she has form i would say. Season end is anyway around the corner there will be enough time to rest. But i think it would be very wise to skip Wuhan.
Sep 11th, 2017 08:53 PM
hurty22
Re: Garbiñe Muguruza

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Originally Posted by Cindy and Kate View Post
Glad to see I am not the only one who's still not sold on Sumyk

I don't see a dominant player holding for long to the #1 ranking. Also the game is too physical, and the season is a long distance race after all. For a big, injury prone player like Garbiñe, it's more important to measure her strengths and not overplay and risk injuries than holding to her ranking at any cost. More physical players like Halep and Svitolina can play and win more matches in a whole season while Garbiñe should win more points in less but bigger events.

Winning Beijing/the YEC would be a great way to end a great season, but for all the GM moaning about weak eras, all draws are going to be pretty much packed.
Agreed. The goal should really be to end the season healthy, and maybe resolve some technical and tactical issues over the off-season. I really don't think she'll win a HC slam next year, and if she does, it'll be the USO ? AO just plays so fast now. I do like her chances at RG, but then, anything could happen by that point and nobody knows what state the tour will be by then. Ultimately, the only way to win slams is to be healthy, and playing each tournament to hold on to an arbitrary ranking... won't accomplish that. If she ends her career with 3 slams, like Capriati and Davenport, that would be extremely impressive (mostly bc I never thought this would be possible about two years ago).

She also isn't getting rid of Sumyk anytime soon. The most hilarious part of this whole summer renaissance is that Sumyk's career and reputation has not only be saved, but has been rejuvenated. If he had been sacked post-RG, his credentials (while good), would have looked a little iffy bc of his failures with Bouchard and Mugs, but now, it's as if he's the best coach the WTA has seen this decade.
Sep 11th, 2017 06:25 PM
Cindy and Kate
Re: Garbiñe Muguruza

Glad to see I am not the only one who's still not sold on Sumyk

Quote:
Originally Posted by ServiceGagnant View Post
Let's make a guess game on:

(1) From now to the beginning of Wimbledon 2017, how long (or how many times) will she hold this World #1 title?
(2) Which championship title do you think will she win during her #1 reign?

This should be fun

(1) I'm gonna be optimistic that she will be Year End no.1, and she will win Tokyo this year. Next year I guess she will float as no.1 and 2 before Wimbledon starts. God, I can feel it
(2) Tokyo and Rome. She might win YEC. Another Slam possibility is AO or RG.

Now God, please dont let me be a jinx
I don't see a dominant player holding for long to the #1 ranking. Also the game is too physical, and the season is a long distance race after all. For a big, injury prone player like Garbiñe, it's more important to measure her strengths and not overplay and risk injuries than holding to her ranking at any cost. More physical players like Halep and Svitolina can play and win more matches in a whole season while Garbiñe should win more points in less but bigger events.

Winning Beijing/the YEC would be a great way to end a great season, but for all the GM moaning about weak eras, all draws are going to be pretty much packed.
Sep 11th, 2017 12:43 PM
2_for_the_money
Re: Garbiñe Muguruza

Well a whole week to go until Tokio and kind of after GS drowsiness right now but feels great to see Garbine so high in both rankings and race to Singapore! Just goes to testify that she really is the best player out there right now, and it has to be stated without any modesty!



I just hope she starts kicking good from the beginning, since Asia can get tricky sometimes and before you even turn back it is Singapore. About that challenge posted above, i seriously dont know it is so hard to predict anything but i can see pretty good she can end the year as #1 at least. I just hope if AO has to be the next one as someone stated above that it is straight away next in 2018 bcs waiting for longer would be really hard.

Somehow i think next slam will rather be RG or Wimbly, but again it is all in stars now, what i sincerely hope and expect and believe is she will make deep runs consistently bcs. she is improving and smart and knows what it takes and has learnt to live to her fame more and more. And that attitude is most important and i am relieved when i see that so i dont want to worry and think too much what could happen and when. Match by match!

What i am waiting anxiously in Asia is too see her in some interesting match ups and good quality matches preferebly against some other players that i also like.
Sep 11th, 2017 05:10 AM
Peak Pierce
Re: Garbiñe Muguruza

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Originally Posted by TennisFed View Post
Let's get this out first: I'm still not fond of Sam Sumyk. That being said having coached a former World No 1 his experience now comes in handy for Garbine and will help her prepare for the Matches.

Rafa won in that order RG, Wimby, AO and USO to complete his career Slam. I think the same will happen with Garbi. She will win AO next whether that's already in 2018 or beyond we will have to see
I'm also still not fond of Sumyk and Garbi as a coach/player pairing, but as far back as IW, I saw Sumyk saying everything that was happening was more or less Garbiñe's doing and not his.

So while I'd like to see her with a different coach, she does sound quite stubborn and difficult to coach, and perhaps it's likely most coaches would run into a fiercely independent player who wants to do things HER way.

I'm quite looking forward to 2018. I think Serena's return is exactly the kind of challenge that fuels Garbiñe's game. I really hope she can resolve her forehand issues and her tactical misfires against big serving hitters. All that being said, I feel oddly confident that she'll win a slam next year. I'm hoping it's either AO or the USO.

The rest of 2017 should be interesting. During the fall of 2015 she seemed to be rounding into consistent form, and then the early half of 2016 was mostly a disappointment until Rome/RG. She seems in a much clearer state of mind now than 2015, so I have every reason to believe that consistency she showed during the U.S. hardcourts won't completely have evaporated in Asia.
Sep 10th, 2017 11:52 PM
TennisFed
Re: Garbiñe Muguruza

Quote:
Originally Posted by ServiceGagnant View Post
Let's make a guess game on:

(1) From now to the beginning of Wimbledon 2017, how long (or how many times) will she hold this World #1 title?
(2) Which championship title do you think will she win during her #1 reign?

This should be fun

(1) I'm gonna be optimistic that she will be Year End no.1, and she will win Tokyo this year. Next year I guess she will float as no.1 and 2 before Wimbledon starts. God, I can feel it
(2) Tokyo and Rome. She might win YEC. Another Slam possibility is AO or RG.

Now God, please dont let me be a jinx
Let's get this out first: I'm still not fond of Sam Sumyk. That being said having coached a former World No 1 his experience now comes in handy for Garbine and will help her prepare for the Matches.

Rafa won in that order RG, Wimby, AO and USO to complete his career Slam. I think the same will happen with Garbi. She will win AO next whether that's already in 2018 or beyond we will have to see
Sep 10th, 2017 06:51 PM
SmilingKnight
Re: Garbiñe Muguruza

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Originally Posted by Cindy and Kate View Post
Most flashy and aggressive peak ? surely, most unbeatable peak ? hell, no.
This obsession with peaks is one of those TF-specific oddities (alongside bashing-worship, for example). Tennis is mostly not about peaks. Rather, tennis is about consistency, and the great players are the ones who learn to produce their 85% tennis consistently, not the ones whose red lines are higher. For example, Del Potro's peak is higher than Federer's peak, Wawrinka's peak is higher than Djokovic's etc., but that doesn't make them better players overall.

Having said this, I do think that peaks are more difficult to weather in the women's game. Players like Petra and Madison are able to generate shot speeds comparable to the men, but the guys can defend with better athleticism. Also, a peaking WTA player's serve is going to be a bigger advantage than a peaking ATP player's serve, just because it's more unusual / exceptional.

Even so, as C&K said, these storms rarely last for an entire match — as long as the opponent stays there and does not give up. There usually will be chances, and every player has chinks in their armor that one can learn to exploit to give herself a better chance. It won't work every time, there will be unlucky circumstances (like having to play a great Petra in the 4th round at an unusually cold US Open ), but in the long run I do believe that consistency pays off.
Sep 10th, 2017 04:39 PM
ServiceGagnant
Re: Garbiñe Muguruza

Let's make a guess game on:

(1) From now to the beginning of Wimbledon 2017, how long (or how many times) will she hold this World #1 title?
(2) Which championship title do you think will she win during her #1 reign?

This should be fun

(1) I'm gonna be optimistic that she will be Year End no.1, and she will win Tokyo this year. Next year I guess she will float as no.1 and 2 before Wimbledon starts. God, I can feel it
(2) Tokyo and Rome. She might win YEC. Another Slam possibility is AO or RG.

Now God, please dont let me be a jinx
Sep 10th, 2017 04:15 PM
Cindy and Kate
Re: Garbiñe Muguruza

So she got that #1 in the end ? Cute, but I am more interested in she racking up slams. I've seen a relatively informal interview with her (in spanish) and she said she wasn't thinking pretty much about it ,at least before it happened, and her goal is winning more slams.

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Originally Posted by SmilingKnight View Post
By definition, Goatra cannot be beaten. If Goatra loses, it's not Goatra -- didn't you know?
IKR ? The only player I've thought was downright unbeatable when at her peak against the rest of top tier players of her time is Serena, the other, arguably, Seles when at her pre-stabbing peak, at least on HC and clay.

Petra is the best ballstriker of the last years, and that confuses the matter for some people, because when her game clicks she can indeed look unbeatable, but her balance between aggression and fitness/defense isn't remotely close to Serena's, Seles, Venus and even other players with less flashy games like peak Kim and peak Vika, which means that, unlike those other players, she rarely can't hold her peak level, which basically means her aggression on full throttle mode, for a full match, let alone a whole tournament. We've all seen Petra play lights out tennis in a match, and then end up that same match imploding in a downward spiral of UEs when her opponent has braved the storm and has gradually taken her to the breaking point where her stamina lets her down and her game starts to unravel, which again, you rarely saw happen to those players I mentioned when they played at their peaks. As good as she might play, at some point she always lets an open door for her opponent to squeeze back into the match. Most flashy and aggressive peak ? surely, most unbeatable peak ? hell, no.
Sep 7th, 2017 07:07 PM
SmilingKnight
Re: Garbiñe Muguruza

¡Enhorabuena!

There are several players within just a few hundreds of points, so she may not hold this for long. But, at the very least, Garbiñe will always be "former world number one and grand slam champion"
Sep 7th, 2017 08:30 AM
ServiceGagnant
Re: Garbiñe Muguruza

World no.1
Girl, you better live up this rank!
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