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Jun 17th, 2004 12:39 PM
alfajeffster
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Originally Posted by tilden
That photo of Margaret looks like it is "indoors" alfa, and definitely not 1970. Margaret didn't start winning the Tinling big collars until 1973. She was definitely a Fred Perry skirts and tops girl before that. I think the photo is from some US city during the 1973 Virginia Slims season.
You're right- very observant of you Tilden. During the 73 USO semi against Evert, both Jack Kramer and Julie Heldman commented on the big collars, and Julie noted that Margaret actually had a hand in creating that look with Tinling. It's a funny piece, actually, because Jack then mentions that it seems like the collar "would be cumbersome"!

Any news or headlines recently from Margaret Court down under, Tilden?
Jun 17th, 2004 06:23 AM
tilden
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Originally Posted by alfajeffster
I can't say that I saw her in her prime, however, I do have a couple matches on video, and she does leap on her overheads. I think that particular photo you have is from the 1970 Wimbledon Final versus Billie Jean King. On one point during the 1973 USO semi versus Evert (who gave her tons of lobs) she actually leaps twice to reach two separate backhand overheads in the same point if you can believe it. She was a great athlete- the best in the women's field during her playing days.

That photo of Margaret looks like it is "indoors" alfa, and definitely not 1970. Margaret didn't start winning the Tinling big collars until 1973. She was definitely a Fred Perry skirts and tops girl before that. I think the photo is from some US city during the 1973 Virginia Slims season.
Jun 16th, 2004 08:56 PM
HanaFanGA
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Originally Posted by samn
God, I had nothing to do with "Sweet Buns", I swear. I just always encouraged my friend to speak her mind, and I never concealed my amusement when she ruffled a few feathers by doing so. Her mom blamed me partly because she thought I was making my friend spend too much time watching tennis. And the fact that I was an Edberg fan might have factored in somewhere as well, I think. I just have to tell my friend that you think I'm mild-mannered. She'll be in splits.

Yes, poor ol' Sweet Buns (I wonder if the Hall of Fame will give them a special exhibit) and the Slavic Princess would have made one of the most artistic doubles teams ever.

I think she should have shown her mother Edburg's "Sweet Buns" and the mother would have been watching tennis too So you're not mild mannered, eh? A little mischief never hurts!
Jun 16th, 2004 08:51 PM
samn
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Originally Posted by HanaFanGA
Samn, as far as I can tell you're about as mild mannered as they come. I can't imagine that you're a bad influence on anyone. But if you had anything to do with "Sweet Buns" I can't blame you!!!

Hmmmm I just thought of something. Sweet Buns and the Slavic Princess would've made one heck of a doubles team!
God, I had nothing to do with "Sweet Buns", I swear. I just always encouraged my friend to speak her mind, and I never concealed my amusement when she ruffled a few feathers by doing so. Her mom blamed me partly because she thought I was making my friend spend too much time watching tennis. And the fact that I was an Edberg fan might have factored in somewhere as well, I think. I just have to tell my friend that you think I'm mild-mannered. She'll be in splits.

Yes, poor ol' Sweet Buns (I wonder if the Hall of Fame will give them a special exhibit) and the Slavic Princess would have made one of the most artistic doubles teams ever.
Jun 16th, 2004 08:42 PM
HanaFanGA
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Originally Posted by samn
No, your comment just brought back memories of my friend from school who used to call Stefan Edberg "Sweet Buns", much to her mother's consternation. Needless to say, my undisguised amusement over all this made her mother think of me as a bad influence on her own "sweet one". BTW HanaFanGA, this is the same friend who's adopted your "Slavic Princess" moniker.
Samn, as far as I can tell you're about as mild mannered as they come. I can't imagine that you're a bad influence on anyone. But if you had anything to do with "Sweet Buns" I can't blame you!!!

Hmmmm I just thought of something. Sweet Buns and the Slavic Princess would've made one heck of a doubles team!
Jun 16th, 2004 08:04 PM
samn
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Originally Posted by alfajeffster
Unlike many posters here, I can actually take it- so fire away. I've got quite a streak of my own, mind you!
No, your comment just brought back memories of my friend from school who used to call Stefan Edberg "Sweet Buns", much to her mother's consternation. Needless to say, my undisguised amusement over all this made her mother think of me as a bad influence on her own "sweet one". BTW HanaFanGA, this is the same friend who's adopted your "Slavic Princess" moniker.
Jun 16th, 2004 07:29 PM
alfajeffster
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Originally Posted by samn
The "sweet one"? <must resist temptation to say something smart-alecky>
Unlike many posters here, I can actually take it- so fire away. I've got quite a streak of my own, mind you!
Jun 16th, 2004 07:25 PM
samn
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Originally Posted by alfajeffster
In all fairness to the sweet one, he was decidedly more attractive (IMO) to watch because it was a show shot trademark he developed. I think Margaret was actually having to leap just to reach some of those lobs.
The "sweet one"? <must resist temptation to say something smart-alecky>
Jun 16th, 2004 07:19 PM
alfajeffster
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Originally Posted by samn
So much for the myth that Pete Sampras was the one who introduced the leaping overheads to tennis!
In all fairness to the sweet one, he was decidedly more attractive (IMO) to watch because it was a show shot trademark he developed. I think Margaret was actually having to leap just to reach some of those lobs.
Jun 16th, 2004 07:16 PM
samn
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Originally Posted by alfajeffster
I can't say that I saw her in her prime, however, I do have a couple matches on video, and she does leap on her overheads. I think that particular photo you have is from the 1970 Wimbledon Final versus Billie Jean King. On one point during the 1973 USO semi versus Evert (who gave her tons of lobs) she actually leaps twice to reach two separate backhand overheads in the same point if you can believe it. She was a great athlete- the best in the women's field during her playing days.
So much for the myth that Pete Sampras was the one who introduced the leaping overheads to tennis!
Jun 16th, 2004 07:15 PM
alfajeffster
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Originally Posted by Santorofan
Alfa: I actually recall a latter 70's article in (I believe) Tennis Week magazine, which documented a WTA serving speed competition in which many of the top women participated in. Indeed, Court did win the contest with a serve that clocked at 96 MPH. Others fairly close behind were Navratilova (92MPH?) and I think, Wade. Frankie Durr also participated and surprise, surprise, her serve was too slow to even be clocked

During that same period, top speeds for the men were up around 110MPH...
It's interesting to me, because I'm a classic tennis boom product of the King/Riggs fiasco, and back then my favorite players (outside of BJK) were Bjorn Borg, Evonne Goolagong and Virginia Wade. I don't even remember Margaret Court at all. Our family didn't start watching Wimbledon finals on TV until BJK won her last title in 1975, so I missed out on seeing Margaret Court entirely. It was a real treat to actually meet her at the Australian Open 2003, but in reality, kind of strange as well because of not hearing about her when I was young.
Jun 16th, 2004 07:05 PM
Santorofan Alfa: I actually recall a latter 70's article in (I believe) Tennis Week magazine, which documented a WTA serving speed competition in which many of the top women participated in. Indeed, Court did win the contest with a serve that clocked 96 MPH. Others fairly close behind were Navratilova (92MPH?) and I think, Wade. Frankie Durr also participated and surprise, surprise, her serve was too slow to even be measured

During that same period, top speeds for the men were up around 110MPH...
Jun 16th, 2004 06:55 PM
alfajeffster
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Originally Posted by samn
Oh, and for those who saw Court in her prime, did she often hit leaping overheads such as the one she seems to be hitting in this picture?
I can't say that I saw her in her prime, however, I do have a couple matches on video, and she does leap on her overheads. I think that particular photo you have is from the 1970 Wimbledon Final versus Billie Jean King. On one point during the 1973 USO semi versus Evert (who gave her tons of lobs) she actually leaps twice to reach two separate backhand overheads in the same point if you can believe it. She was a great athlete- the best in the women's field during her playing days.
Jun 16th, 2004 05:51 PM
samn Oh, and for those who saw Court in her prime, did she often hit leaping overheads such as the one she seems to be hitting in this picture?
Jun 16th, 2004 02:39 PM
alfajeffster
Margaret Court's Serve

I was watching some old Margaret Court footage from the 1973 U.S. Open last night, and she cracked quite a few hard first serves. Anyone know if her first serve speed was ever timed, and if so, how fast?
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