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Apr 4th, 2004 07:16 PM
bandabou
Quote:
Originally Posted by spudrsca
Well, I think Justine is better than Serena on clay and should have won in 2 but unfortunately Justine has a tendency to drop her level after winning the first set quite easily.
She was very agressive in the first set last year against Serena and outplayed Serena but in the second set she played more neutral and let Serena take control of the rally.
Exactly the same thing happened at the AO final this year.
Everytime she wins the first set in a very impressive way, she fall asleep.
At IW, it was again the case in the beginning of the second set with many unforced errors due to a collapse of concentration
I got it...so the next time I donīt wanna hear the excuse that Justine played bad at Wimbledon....īcause obviously at RG it was all about Justine.
Apr 4th, 2004 07:00 PM
SJW when the sisters weren't playing and Henin was winning everything, her fans were saying "she can only play who is in front of her" and complaining about the "asterisks" being placed next to her wins.

now Serena has come back and won a Tier I it's "weak draw"

f*cking sh*t

it's not Serena's fault the world #1 and holder of three slams and the person who has won 4 titles and 22 odd matches this year refused to play in the fifth grand slam.

ps, i hear Larry Scott promises to look into that
Apr 4th, 2004 06:49 PM
spudrsca
Quote:
Originally Posted by bandabou
Yeah....itīs just that Justine got the tag of being clay-courter and stuff, because she plays with "touch", while the big serena Williams is just a basher, so she canīt play on clay....got it?!
Well, I think Justine is better than Serena on clay and should have won in 2 but unfortunately Justine has a tendency to drop her level after winning the first set quite easily.
She was very agressive in the first set last year against Serena and outplayed Serena but in the second set she played more neutral and let Serena take control of the rally.
Exactly the same thing happened at the AO final this year.
Everytime she wins the first set in a very impressive way, she fall asleep.
At IW, it was again the case in the beginning of the second set with many unforced errors due to a collapse of concentration
Apr 4th, 2004 06:07 PM
bandabou [QUOTE=vandy]
Quote:
Originally Posted by bandabou
Anyone really believes that al those summer hardcourt events would have been won by the Belgians with a healthy Serena and Venus playing?!

Maybe. Look isn't that tennis. That is how it usually happens. One player wins alot, and then someone grows to become a challenge. I don't think you put enough weight on the growth of Justine. Serena and Venus came around to beat Hingus, and perhaps the Begians developed and were to become the two that would beat the sisters. All I am saying is this could be, seems a lot of people just dismiss this as unlikely. Justine changed her style of play, she now has become a champion. Too bad for Venus as she cannot regain her form. But Serena is another story. She almost certain is going to be the biggest challenge to the Belgians in the months to come. But no one should forget that Serena must beat someone that has improved in the 16's, quarters, and semi(maybe even Venus) And then when and if that happens, she will get her chance to face the great Justine.
Sorry....but Hingis hasnīt come close of doing what the Williamses have done on hardcourts and grass. It ainīt just one year or something...this is 5, 6 year and COUNTING that itīs only Williams you see winning hardcourt and grass events..

Of course Justine has improved and thatīs why itīs great that Serenaīs back...īcause I think that sheīs the only one that has AND the game AND the mental strength to stand-up to Justine.
Apr 4th, 2004 05:44 PM
vandy [QUOTE=bandabou]Anyone really believes that al those summer hardcourt events would have been won by the Belgians with a healthy Serena and Venus playing?!

Maybe. Look isn't that tennis. That is how it usually happens. One player wins alot, and then someone grows to become a challenge. I don't think you put enough weight on the growth of Justine. Serena and Venus came around to beat Hingus, and perhaps the Begians developed and were to become the two that would beat the sisters. All I am saying is this could be, seems a lot of people just dismiss this as unlikely. Justine changed her style of play, she now has become a champion. Too bad for Venus as she cannot regain her form. But Serena is another story. She almost certain is going to be the biggest challenge to the Belgians in the months to come. But no one should forget that Serena must beat someone that has improved in the 16's, quarters, and semi(maybe even Venus) And then when and if that happens, she will get her chance to face the great Justine.
Apr 4th, 2004 05:37 PM
Mrs. Peel Tennis needs Serena back...shes' the standard, the measuring stick. She is the reason these ladies are stronger and trying to be faster.

I'm looking forward to the return to form of Venus and Jennifer and then there is Monica and Amelie....
Apr 4th, 2004 05:30 PM
bandabou
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Originally Posted by LindsayRocks89
yep she was the best till her injury, and everyone knows that, i really think Serena will be a threat on clay this year and could win the french again, i mean last year at the french its not like Justine destroyed her. No she didnt, i mean Serena was playing better, but then we have the "hand" incident and the crowd(enough said) and she loses the match. I mean yeah justine is great on clay, but serena isnt to bad on it either, so we'll see who is holding the french trophy up at the beginning of june.
Yeah....itīs just that Justine got the tag of being clay-courter and stuff, because she plays with "touch", while the big serena Williams is just a basher, so she canīt play on clay....got it?!
Apr 4th, 2004 05:26 PM
LindsayRocks89
Quote:
Originally Posted by bandabou
she was the best in 2002 AND 2003, till her injury. Donīt get it twisted.
yep she was the best till her injury, and everyone knows that, i really think Serena will be a threat on clay this year and could win the french again, i mean last year at the french its not like Justine destroyed her. No she didnt, i mean Serena was playing better, but then we have the "hand" incident and the crowd(enough said) and she loses the match. I mean yeah justine is great on clay, but serena isnt to bad on it either, so we'll see who is holding the french trophy up at the beginning of june.
Apr 4th, 2004 05:19 PM
bandabou
Quote:
Originally Posted by turt
Serena was the best in 2002. Last time I checked it's 2004 now, and I have no indication at all that Serena is the best in 2004. If we were to talk about the past, then we should make Martina Navratilova a big favourite for the title in Amelia Island
she was the best in 2002 AND 2003, till her injury. Donīt get it twisted.
Apr 4th, 2004 04:27 PM
turt
Quote:
Originally Posted by Experimentee
Were you watching tennis in 2002?
Serena was the best in 2002. Last time I checked it's 2004 now, and I have no indication at all that Serena is the best in 2004. If we were to talk about the past, then we should make Martina Navratilova a big favourite for the title in Amelia Island
Apr 4th, 2004 02:29 PM
GogoGirl
Congratulations Serena

All,

I meant - Serena - Kim & Justine have a better record than Venus's - within the last 18 months or so.

"WELCOME BACK - SERENA - THE LIONESS PRINCESS"
Apr 4th, 2004 02:26 PM
Experimentee
Quote:
Originally Posted by turt
Anyway, the only thing I'm trying to say here is you're wrong when you say "Nobody crowned Serena as the best player", because a lot of people on this board did. Maybe she is, but I want to see her beat all the top 5 before I admit Serena's the best (I don't think I'll have to ). Until there, Justine is still the best thing since sliced bread

BTW Elena wasn't the same player as she is now, neither was Justine...
Were you watching tennis in 2002?
Apr 4th, 2004 02:26 PM
bandabou
Quote:
Originally Posted by GogoGirl
M'ning All,

You all are making some great and interesting points.

I'd like to make one before I forget. Venus has lost relatively early in her every tourney back - and this is true. She has struggled. We all know that she knows - she's struggling. She has some technique - and dare I say, injury problems. She will be the type of player to always play with some sort of nagging injury. She is an athete will always be prone to some type of injury because of her height and long legs.

Venus is not back to top form. Yet IMO - the only coaches she needs are the ones that got her to win 4 slams and a heap of titles. How many finals was she in last year? Compare her record to all others - other than Kim & Justine's - and see what we come up with.

Venus needs to improve - if she wants to start winning again - and she and her daddy knows it better than any of us. She just needs time and practice. She needs to practice her second serve - and get back like she had it that summer of 2000 and 2001. Look out! Before she arrived at that place in her career - she had had to practice - and improve this or that. That is all my girl needs to do again. I'd bet anyone big bucks that she improves and wins some tourneys this year. She just needs time - practice - and confidence.

I wouldn't count Venus out of anything - because we much remember that if a person can perform at a certain level that achieves wins and glory - then with that same hard work and drive - it can happen again. Venus is too loaded with weapons to just give up now. Besides, did Lindsay, for example, give up last year?

And for the ones that wish to bury your heads in the sand - and dis Venus by acting like she never achieved a very high level before, and was never all that - then how would one explain her accomplishments and achievements? All I'm saying is - I would never count her out - and I will always believe that she can get like she was before. There were many players that DID NOT want to face Venus as an opponent. Perhaps - most players don't fear her now when they see her name in their draw, but that's only because they know she is not playing at the level - we all now that she's capable of playing.

Venus just needs time and practice.

"I'LL BE HERE WHEN YOU TURN IT AROUND VENUS" "YOU GOT TO GREASE THOSE WHEELS FOR THE SUMMER SEASON - AND FOR WHEN YOU HOLD COURT AT WIMBY"
Brilliant!!
Apr 4th, 2004 02:16 PM
GogoGirl
Practice Makes Almost Perfect

M'ning All,

You all are making some great and interesting points.

I'd like to make one before I forget. Venus has lost relatively early in her every tourney back - and this is true. She has struggled. We all know that she knows - she's struggling. She has some technique - and dare I say, injury problems. She will be the type of player to always play with some sort of nagging injury. She is an athete will always be prone to some type of injury because of her height and long legs.

Venus is not back to top form. Yet IMO - the only coaches she needs are the ones that got her to win 4 slams and a heap of titles. How many finals was she in last year? Compare her record to all others - other than Kim & Justine's - and see what we come up with.

Venus needs to improve - if she wants to start winning again - and she and her daddy knows it better than any of us. She just needs time and practice. She needs to practice her second serve - and get back like she had it that summer of 2000 and 2001. Look out! Before she arrived at that place in her career - she had had to practice - and improve this or that. That is all my girl needs to do again. I'd bet anyone big bucks that she improves and wins some tourneys this year. She just needs time - practice - and confidence.

I wouldn't count Venus out of anything - because we much remember that if a person can perform at a certain level that achieves wins and glory - then with that same hard work and drive - it can happen again. Venus is too loaded with weapons to just give up now. Besides, did Lindsay, for example, give up last year?

And for the ones that wish to bury your heads in the sand - and dis Venus by acting like she never achieved a very high level before, and was never all that - then how would one explain her accomplishments and achievements? All I'm saying is - I would never count her out - and I will always believe that she can get like she was before. There were many players that DID NOT want to face Venus as an opponent. Perhaps - most players don't fear her now when they see her name in their draw, but that's only because they know she is not playing at the level - we all now that she's capable of playing.

Venus just needs time and practice.

"I'LL BE HERE WHEN YOU TURN IT AROUND VENUS" "YOU GOT TO GREASE THOSE WHEELS FOR THE SUMMER SEASON - AND FOR WHEN YOU HOLD COURT AT WIMBY"
Apr 4th, 2004 12:47 PM
Hardiansf Great comeback Serena! Go get your #1 ranking then...
Venus... come on, you can joint to this competitive game now!
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