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Sep 23rd, 2017 11:54 PM
Brad1973 Canada lost 2-1 to the US in Junior Fedcup semifinals. Good showing. I think junior Fedcup discussions belong here in the juniors thread rather than the Fedcup thread.

http://www.itftennis.com/news/273792.aspx
Sep 19th, 2017 06:20 AM
guichard
Re: The Juniors

Markham's Layne Sleeth set to serve it up for Canada in Budapest event

https://www.yorkregion.com/sports-st...udapest-event/
Sep 1st, 2017 10:47 PM
Djo-Coeur
Re: The Juniors

Layne Sleeth d. Sofia Sewing 6-0 7-5 Congrats

LOL what a weird match. Sewing has hit 60 UE. She seemed to be frustrated all match long to be playing a pusher with great defense.
Actually Sleeth should have been crushed because she is not yet physically strong enough to hit very hard, she's very thin. Her 1st serves are averaging 110km but Sewing didn't punish those weak serves and short balls at all, and she lost like 90% of the long rallies.

Sleeth played very well within her abilities, She has a nice tennis iQ. She anticipates exceptionally well, moves and slides like Radwaska (her idol). On the down side, she is not aggressive at all nor offensive, she defends all the time until the opponent misses. That won't work with the pros until she adds some weapons to her game and some muscle mass on her thin frame, If she does that she might be a top5 junior in 2 years when she's 18.

You can give Kostyuk the title right now, because she will be able to hit lots of winner on all the short balls mid court
Aug 31st, 2017 07:34 PM
Djo-Coeur
Re: The Juniors


Layne Sleeth won QF in straight sets against a player ranked higher than her 6-0 6-4.
SF on TVA Sports Friday. Set your PVR if you have this channel.
I'm happy I'll finally get to see her play at last
She will face either Maria Lourdes CARLE (ARG) [8] or Sofia SEWING (USA) [4]

Edit: Vagramov/Boulais are into the Doubles Final with a Walkover from Kostyuk/Danilovic. Kostyuk had a shoulder heavily taped Tuesday when I was there, so I guess with a 3 setter today she's probably the one pulling out of Doubles to save her strength for the singles SF that will be against Danilovic. Tough match ahead for both Kostyuk and Danilovic.

Aug 31st, 2017 02:20 AM
Djo-Coeur
Re: The Juniors

Congrats to Layne Sleeth for making the QF in Repentigny. She defeated with ease a qualifier who defeated Carson Branstine yesterday. I was there for the Branstine match. It was an awful performance. Serving around 40% first serves in and much slower than she's capable of, often in the 160km range or bellow. The UE were probably in the fifties.

The worst part was her complaining after every single point she lost, shouting "I'm so BAD" or "I can't serve". It gots painful to watch. It's sad because it was a full house ready to love her, but after a while the people in the crowd started to chuckle and talk about her behaviour.
The opponent choked the second set but she managed to cut down the errors in the 3rd set, Carson did not, thus she lot a match that was on her racquet.

I was impressed by Vagramov, She has real potential, Hits hard and is able to sustain fast paced rallies.
Not impressed by Fernandez who was leading 4-0 in the third but then lost 5 games in a row, lost the set 7-5 and the match. She wasn't able to raise her level in the end when her opponent did.
Aug 30th, 2017 09:00 PM
Djo-Coeur
Re: The Juniors

Some pictures from Repentigny

Ariana Arseneault
https://i.imgur.com/scgrbak.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/3lMD1Wo.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/LS5eeen.jpg

Leylah Annie Fernandez
https://i.imgur.com/QHLWBFB.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/u1U1Zk6.jpg

Alexandra Vagramov
https://i.imgur.com/DkRGPb5.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/tvP1eBE.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/6MPaXeY.jpg

Raphaelle Lacasse
https://i.imgur.com/KSbp3Vs.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Zo1MEew.jpg

Sarah-Maude Fortin
https://i.imgur.com/WQXqxrY.jpg
Aug 30th, 2017 06:25 PM
guichard
Re: The Juniors

They are also promoting the regional center of course the big focus is the main center where EVERYONE spends some time at. The 2-3 players who have made it look good. One last thing, it will always be NCAA heavy so for every FAA you are going to have way more who don't make it. That's just the reality of pro tennis, it is not different in the big academies.
Aug 30th, 2017 03:32 PM
CharlDa
Re: The Juniors

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Originally Posted by guichard View Post
But that's the point of having a NTC which really represent a program and a philosophy not uniquely a physical place. They did not have that before and now they do . Is it perfect ? no but which program is. As for Genie and Milos it is also what others federations do....

Well, they did cut Abanda funding somewhat eventhough they continue to help her. Nouvel entraîneur, nouveau départ pour la Québécoise Françoise Abanda | JDM which was fair because her ranking drop was mainly due to injury. She only worked with Antonio Van Grichen for couple weeks other than that her coaches were just "regular".
Well then they should be more precise when they talk about the NTC on all possible occasions and say: 'We see the results of the NTC in Montreal', which is totally false. The only thing different between now and 10 years ago is the physical location in Montreal, and the program with the 6-8 players that come to Montreal, train, get lodging, school, etc. That's the thing they promote, and the thing they are pushing, but that exact program hasn't given much really except a group of NCAA athletes and would have been going there anyways. The list is longggggggggg and that's just the women side: Marianne Jodoin, Elisabeth Abanda, Laurie Gingras, Erin Routliffe, Kristina Blakhtevich, Gloria Liang, Carol Zhao, the Surin sisters...

These types of articles is what I'm talking about: National Training Centre: Clear results ten years on - Tennis Canada
Aug 29th, 2017 09:35 PM
Wiggly
Re: The Juniors

They kept on giving Milos hundreds of millions per year while he was a millionaire residing in Monte Carlo. The optics with Eugenie weren't much better. I always suspected that both Raonic and Bouchard dropped Davis/Fed Cup like a hot potato the minute the cheques stopped coming. Participation may be a clause in the contract or something.

Louis Borfiga seems to have way to much praise and applause for what he actually achieved since he came to Montréal.

It's rumoured that they would rather have success with their boys. Denis and Félix will be successful but everyone else flopped in Repentigny and we seems to be looking at another generation fo NCAA athletes. Schnur is a nice story, though. The girls have always outperformed the boys at the junior level.

Erin Routliffe must be the ultimate persona no grata at the Stade Uniprix.
Aug 29th, 2017 09:16 PM
guichard
Re: The Juniors

But that's the point of having a NTC which really represent a program and a philosophy not uniquely a physical place. They did not have that before and now they do . Is it perfect ? no but which program is. As for Genie and Milos it is also what others federations do....

Well, they did cut Abanda funding somewhat eventhough they continue to help her. Nouvel entraîneur, nouveau départ pour la Québécoise Françoise Abanda | JDM which was fair because her ranking drop was mainly due to injury. She only worked with Antonio Van Grichen for couple weeks other than that her coaches were just "regular".
Aug 29th, 2017 07:43 PM
CharlDa
Re: The Juniors

In a few cases the coaches were provided (like Tauziat, Niemeyer), but for a lot of players, the development was made with their regular coaches who were paid by Tennis Canada funding. Which is what has always happened.

It just annoys me when they talk about how great the NTC is when in the end, they are just doing what every single other Federation is doing. Have a set of national coaches, match them with some players, or fund other promising juniors who want to train with their own coaches. I mean...Duh.

I also found utterly ridiculous that they would keep on spending hundreds of thousand of dollars to coach some millionaires. Milos and Genie did NOT need help to fund their coach when they reached the top 20, even top 50. That money would have been much better spent on lower ranked players or juniors.

And they also were very inconsistent and unfair in the funding they were giving. Specific ranking targets had to be achieved for players to have fully funded coaches, and players like Abanda have had access to top-notch coaches for years even without making the cut and even being out of the top 200.

I'm not saying it's a complete failure. I'm just saying it is not the perfect model everyone is always raving about.
Aug 29th, 2017 07:05 PM
guichard
Re: The Juniors

It is when it is coaches provided by Tennis Canada and following their program. Milos was in Montreal for awhile. They have regional center in Toronto and elsewhere ....
Aug 29th, 2017 06:49 PM
CharlDa
Re: The Juniors

But that's not the 'NTC'. I followed the career of many other players before the NTC was created, and its not like Tennis Canada wasn't giving them a dime. They were funded for trips, there were group tournaments outside of the country, they received funding for coaches. How is that different now?

What Tennis Canada is bragging about is the National Training Center. That center itself hasn't done much.
Aug 29th, 2017 06:11 PM
guichard
Re: The Juniors

Bianca and Milos have always been supported, it is just they agree it was better for them to stay in Toronto. In the case of Milos later sending him to Spain. I really don't think you have to be physically in Montreal
Aug 29th, 2017 05:51 PM
CharlDa
Re: The Juniors

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wiggly View Post
Was the NTC program ever that good? Félix will be their main success but they didn't do much for anyone else except to hand out some big cheques to cover all the travel costs.

They even had to steal an American.
The NTC is one of the biggest myths ever. I've said it multiple times, and I'll say it again, I worked at Uniprix for years and it was nothing special.

Only a few of the players at the top right now really were impacted by the NTC, and it was mostly funding (which Tennis Canada already gave to good juniors before). A lot of the players, like Fernandez, decided to totally go away from Tennis Canada after seeing how the program worked.

The best players all came from private clubs, with long-term coaches. They always talk about the NTC for Milos, Genie, Bianca and Denis when really they never were there. Abanda, Zhao, Felix, Charlotte were there, but so were a lot of players that took the NCAA route.

I think they were especially lucky with a few very talented athletes. I think the best thing they did was Les Petits As, which was for 4-5 years old, who at that age have yet to choose a sport. The key was to get the best athletes to tennis and not hockey or soccer.

We have also become accustomed to that level of players, but we have always been a nation of like 2-3 top 100 players per generation, with a few more in the 100-200 range. And with like 1 top 10 junior every year. We had Dancevic, Dubois and Wozniak in the 30-32 range. We also have/had Milos, Vasek, Dabrowski, Rebecca Marino, and Sharon Fichman at 26-27, Genie at 23, Francoise at 20 (who has yet to reach full potential) and Bianca, Denis and Felix at 18. It's just that before, it was exceptional when they reached top 100, and now we expect top 20 because of Milos and Genie reaching slam finals.

I still remember when we had Ko, Wozniak and Dubois in the juniors top 20, and how fascinated we were by it.

Looking at that, the next generation are currently 12-13-14 and not 15-16-17. These should come out soon enough and it's tough at at age to see who will become great. Denis, Milos were not the top players in their age group then.
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