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Mar 17th, 2013 08:10 PM
wild.river
Re: Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood condemns UN ‘End Violence against Women’ declaration

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Originally Posted by HippityHop View Post
And so the attempt to get the thread closed begins. Let's see if the mods fall for the okee dokee.
i hope they'll pick permaban for a <10 post troll rather than closing..
Mar 17th, 2013 07:37 PM
Edward.
Re: Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood condemns UN ‘End Violence against Women’ declaration

It's unsurprising that any document that inscribes 21st century values would be rejected by the Islamic fascists.
Mar 17th, 2013 04:31 PM
HippityHop
Re: Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood condemns UN ‘End Violence against Women’ declaration

And so the attempt to get the thread closed begins. Let's see if the mods fall for the okee dokee.
Mar 17th, 2013 02:24 PM
pov
Re: Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood condemns UN ‘End Violence against Women’ declaration

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Originally Posted by hihihihihihi View Post
Yeah because only banned trolls value the right of a human being more than the right of irresponsible sluts evading responsibility.
Hey . . . sluts rule!!!

That aside, viewpoints like yours (ignoring the terems you use to attempt to aggravate people) IMO lose credence because somehow the anti-choice people are also usually opposed to birth control. So while they like to style it as being "pro-life" (although they also usually support wars and the death penalty) it is clear that what they are most against is women getting their pleasure on freely.
Mar 17th, 2013 01:41 PM
Helen Lawson
Re: Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood condemns UN ‘End Violence against Women’ declaration

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Originally Posted by Asherahpova View Post
^^^^^^^^

Which banned troll is this?
I can't think of the name, it's a hairspray or something.
Mar 17th, 2013 08:00 AM
hihihihihihi
Re: Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood condemns UN ‘End Violence against Women’ declaration

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Originally Posted by Asherahpova View Post
^^^^^^^^

Which banned troll is this?
Yeah because only banned trolls value the right of a human being more than the right of irresponsible sluts evading responsibility.
Mar 17th, 2013 07:47 AM
jameshazza
Re: Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood condemns UN ‘End Violence against Women’ declaration

^^^^^^^^

Which banned troll is this?
Mar 17th, 2013 06:42 AM
hihihihihihi
Re: Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood condemns UN ‘End Violence against Women’ declaration

Say what you will but they are right. Allowing women to kill babies? Disgusting whores.

EDIT: Also, pov is right.
Mar 16th, 2013 05:34 PM
pov
Re: Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood condemns UN ‘End Violence against Women’ declaration

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Originally Posted by HippityHop View Post
But the responses to the article is where the best discussion is.
I agree that civil discussion of this is the place of most interest. To keep the intent of objectivity on this a tough one for me - my preferences are strongly in favor of smart, sharp, empowered women. Even more so than is common in Western societies.

In fact, I think isolating "violence against women" helps maintain the psychology of inequality. I'd support a declaration condemning violence against all people. Period. Empowerment based on the enshrinement of perceived weakness is shaky indeed.
Mar 16th, 2013 03:43 PM
HippityHop
Re: Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood condemns UN ‘End Violence against Women’ declaration

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http://www.ikhwanweb.com/article.php?id=30731

The 57th session of the UN Commission on the Status of Women (CSW), taking place from March 4 to 15 at UN headquarters, seeks to ratify a declaration euphemistically entitled ‘End Violence against Women’.

That title, however, is misleading and deceptive. The document includes articles that contradict established principles of Islam, undermine Islamic ethics and destroy the family, the basic building block of society, according to the Egyptian Constitution.

This declaration, if ratified, would lead to complete disintegration of society, and would certainly be the final step in the intellectual and cultural invasion of Muslim countries, eliminating the moral specificity that helps preserve cohesion of Islamic societies.

A closer look at these articles reveals what decadence awaits our world, if we sign this document:

1. Granting girls full sexual freedom, as well as the freedom to decide their own gender and the gender of their partners (ie, choose to have normal or homo- sexual relationships), while raising the age of marriage.

2. Providing contraceptives for adolescent girls and training them to use those, while legalizing abortion to get rid of unwanted pregnancies, in the name of sexual and reproductive rights.

3. Granting equal rights to adulterous wives and illegitimate sons resulting from adulterous relationships.

4. Granting equal rights to homosexuals, and providing protection and respect for prostitutes.

5. Giving wives full rights to file legal complaints against husbands accusing them of rape or sexual harassment, obliging competent authorities to deal husbands punishments similar to those prescribed for raping or sexually harassing a stranger.

6. Equal inheritance (between men and women).

7. Replacing guardianship with partnership, and full sharing of roles within the family between men and women such as: spending, child care and home chores.

8. Full equality in marriage legislation such as: allowing Muslim women to marry non-Muslim men, and abolition of polygamy, dowry, men taking charge of family spending, etc.

9. Removing the authority of divorce from husbands and placing it in the hands of judges, and sharing all property after divorce.

10. Cancelling the need for a husband’s consent in matters like: travel, work, or use of contraception.

These are destructive tools meant to undermine the family as an important institution; they would subvert the entire society, and drag it to pre-Islamic ignorance.

The Muslim Brotherhood urges the leaders of Muslim countries and their UN representatives to reject and condemn this document, and to call upon this organization to rise to the high morals and principles of family relations prescribed by Islam.

The Muslim Brotherhood also calls on Al-Azhar (the highest seat of learning for Muslims) to take the lead, condemn this declaration, and state clearly the Islamic viewpoint with regard to all details of this document.

Further, we urge all Islamic groups and associations to take a decisive stand on this document and similar declarations.

In conclusion, we call on women's organizations to commit to their religion and morals of their communities and the foundations of good social life and not be deceived with misleading calls to decadent modernization and paths of subversive immorality.

God Almighty says: "God wants to forgive you, but those who follow whims and desires want you to deviate far away from the Path). {Quran 4 : 27}

The Muslim Brotherhood

Cairo: March 13, 2013
Interesting conclusions. But the responses to the article is where the best discussion is. It highlights the conflict between liberal western thinking and "traditional" societies.
Mar 16th, 2013 01:48 AM
PhilePhile
Re: Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood condemns UN ‘End Violence against Women’ declaration

I sometime wonder why there is so much animosity between religious practices .
Mar 15th, 2013 11:28 PM
pov
Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood condemns UN ‘End Violence against Women’ declaration

http://www.ikhwanweb.com/article.php?id=30731

The 57th session of the UN Commission on the Status of Women (CSW), taking place from March 4 to 15 at UN headquarters, seeks to ratify a declaration euphemistically entitled ‘End Violence against Women’.

That title, however, is misleading and deceptive. The document includes articles that contradict established principles of Islam, undermine Islamic ethics and destroy the family, the basic building block of society, according to the Egyptian Constitution.

This declaration, if ratified, would lead to complete disintegration of society, and would certainly be the final step in the intellectual and cultural invasion of Muslim countries, eliminating the moral specificity that helps preserve cohesion of Islamic societies.

A closer look at these articles reveals what decadence awaits our world, if we sign this document:

1. Granting girls full sexual freedom, as well as the freedom to decide their own gender and the gender of their partners (ie, choose to have normal or homo- sexual relationships), while raising the age of marriage.

2. Providing contraceptives for adolescent girls and training them to use those, while legalizing abortion to get rid of unwanted pregnancies, in the name of sexual and reproductive rights.

3. Granting equal rights to adulterous wives and illegitimate sons resulting from adulterous relationships.

4. Granting equal rights to homosexuals, and providing protection and respect for prostitutes.

5. Giving wives full rights to file legal complaints against husbands accusing them of rape or sexual harassment, obliging competent authorities to deal husbands punishments similar to those prescribed for raping or sexually harassing a stranger.

6. Equal inheritance (between men and women).

7. Replacing guardianship with partnership, and full sharing of roles within the family between men and women such as: spending, child care and home chores.

8. Full equality in marriage legislation such as: allowing Muslim women to marry non-Muslim men, and abolition of polygamy, dowry, men taking charge of family spending, etc.

9. Removing the authority of divorce from husbands and placing it in the hands of judges, and sharing all property after divorce.

10. Cancelling the need for a husband’s consent in matters like: travel, work, or use of contraception.

These are destructive tools meant to undermine the family as an important institution; they would subvert the entire society, and drag it to pre-Islamic ignorance.

The Muslim Brotherhood urges the leaders of Muslim countries and their UN representatives to reject and condemn this document, and to call upon this organization to rise to the high morals and principles of family relations prescribed by Islam.

The Muslim Brotherhood also calls on Al-Azhar (the highest seat of learning for Muslims) to take the lead, condemn this declaration, and state clearly the Islamic viewpoint with regard to all details of this document.

Further, we urge all Islamic groups and associations to take a decisive stand on this document and similar declarations.

In conclusion, we call on women's organizations to commit to their religion and morals of their communities and the foundations of good social life and not be deceived with misleading calls to decadent modernization and paths of subversive immorality.

God Almighty says: "God wants to forgive you, but those who follow whims and desires want you to deviate far away from the Path). {Quran 4 : 27}

The Muslim Brotherhood

Cairo: March 13, 2013

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