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Sep 11th, 2015 10:50 PM
lenas warriors
Re: The 20 Greatest *Active Singles* Players on the WTA Tour

Bine out, Pome on notice

Flavia in for sure
Aug 2nd, 2015 08:27 PM
mrkareemruiz
Re: The 20 Greatest *Active Singles* Players on the WTA Tour

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Originally Posted by Tennis Fool View Post
Well, slam #21 is in the record books and the question will be, Will Serena get that elusive calendar slam?

As, we wait, Garbine enters the list at #18. With her addition, Kimiko, the last semifinalist, drops off, and has been noted by Lenas Warriors, you'll have to be at least a finalist now to make the list!

Onward to the US Open!
Serena is the best ever no matter what she wins now. Seles didn't play her full prime so we know who got helped because that.
Jul 14th, 2015 12:19 AM
KournikovaFan91
Re: The 20 Greatest *Active Singles* Players on the WTA Tour

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Really though? I know it's personal preference, and I'm not saying either view is wrong, but I would say 67 weeks at number 1 for Wozniacki is much more impressive of a career than two players with one slam each but never being higher than 4 in the world.
In terms of this forum I think the criteria that the OP came up with is the best to avoid endless debates about what is better than what. Yep I think it is skewed a bit but a lot of poster do automatically consider a slam win to put a player above someone without a slam. Personally I don't because no way would I rank Schiavone over Dementieva but I can see why the criteria is used by the OP.
Jul 14th, 2015 12:07 AM
Tennis Fool
Re: The 20 Greatest *Active Singles* Players on the WTA Tour

Well, slam #21 is in the record books and the question will be, Will Serena get that elusive calendar slam?

As, we wait, Garbine enters the list at #18. With her addition, Kimiko, the last semifinalist, drops off, and has been noted by Lenas Warriors, you'll have to be at least a finalist now to make the list!

Onward to the US Open!
Jul 11th, 2015 02:38 PM
MrSerenaWilliams
Re: The 20 Greatest *Active Singles* Players on the WTA Tour

2 Serena Slams.
Jul 11th, 2015 01:27 PM
americandreams
Re: The 20 Greatest *Active Singles* Players on the WTA Tour

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To get into the YEC, you have to do more than have a good run in a tournament of 96. You have to consistently beat majority of players (journeywoman like Wozniacki) OR defeat all of them couple of times (streaky qualifiers such as Kvitova). Not to mention that winning Premiers increases your chances of winning YEC and getting a lot of points.

Ad IW and Miami - these tournaments are not worthy more than Madrid or Beijing. The world is not America-centric, believe it or not, my dear Americans.
I don't think that was the point that was being made. I think the point being that an IW-Miami double is one of the harder things to do in tennis (probably dwarfed by only the RG-W double).
Jul 11th, 2015 10:18 AM
jvy65
Re: The 20 Greatest *Active Singles* Players on the WTA Tour

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Winning 5 matches in 7 days against the Top 8 >> Winning 6 matches in 10 days in 96 player draw That said, 700 points is a LOT
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Think about it this way, under that point system, someone who wins the Indian Wells-Miami double would still be 200 points off someone who wins the YEC. I don't know if that's quite fair. And if the IW-M winner snags a bronze medal at the Olympics, then they would be tied in point accumulation.
To get into the YEC, you have to do more than have a good run in a tournament of 96. You have to consistently beat majority of players (journeywoman like Wozniacki) OR defeat all of them couple of times (streaky qualifiers such as Kvitova). Not to mention that winning Premiers increases your chances of winning YEC and getting a lot of points.

Ad IW and Miami - these tournaments are not worthy more than Madrid or Beijing. The world is not America-centric, believe it or not, my dear Americans.
Jul 11th, 2015 03:08 AM
americandreams
Re: The 20 Greatest *Active Singles* Players on the WTA Tour

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Well if its "who is remembered" than Kournikova would be Top 10 in Greatest Players of All Time

Going on results Wozniacki and Jankovic don't have a slam therefore are behind Schiavone/Stosur. Seems fair.
Really though? I know it's personal preference, and I'm not saying either view is wrong, but I would say 67 weeks at number 1 for Wozniacki is much more impressive of a career than two players with one slam each but never being higher than 4 in the world.
Jul 11th, 2015 01:12 AM
Smite
Re: The 20 Greatest *Active Singles* Players on the WTA Tour

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Originally Posted by KournikovaFan91 View Post
Well if its "who is remembered" than Kournikova would be Top 10 in Greatest Players of All Time

Going on results Wozniacki and Jankovic don't have a slam therefore are behind Schiavone/Stosur. Seems fair.
Girl....let not go here
Jul 10th, 2015 09:40 PM
KournikovaFan91
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This list is skewed for one-hit wonders. I would be shocked it Stotsur and Schiavone are above Wozniacki (and possibly Jankovic as well) when it comes to who is remembered.
Well if its "who is remembered" than Kournikova would be Top 10 in Greatest Players of All Time

Going on results Wozniacki and Jankovic don't have a slam therefore are behind Schiavone/Stosur. Seems fair.
Jul 10th, 2015 09:35 PM
TheDevMiester
Re: The 20 Greatest *Active Singles* Players on the WTA Tour

Serena ended year end #1 in 2014 as well.
Jul 10th, 2015 09:06 PM
americandreams
Re: The 20 Greatest *Active Singles* Players on the WTA Tour

This list is skewed for one-hit wonders. I would be shocked it Stotsur and Schiavone are above Wozniacki (and possibly Jankovic as well) when it comes to who is remembered.
Jul 10th, 2015 08:21 PM
Tennis Fool
Re: The 20 Greatest *Active Singles* Players on the WTA Tour

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KDK getting booted off the list by Muguruza.
Yep. And now it's just a matter of Garb's placement. No. 17 or No. 10?

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I suppose the system is perfectly fine, but I find the point distribution odd. Is winning the YEC really 700 points more than winning Miami?
Points systems always seem to be objective at face value, but determining the weight of points brings in subjectivity.
Jul 10th, 2015 08:06 PM
Compton Great
Re: The 20 Greatest *Active Singles* Players on the WTA Tour

OP must redo maths. Bouchard as one of the 20 Greatest *Active Singles* Players is an atrocity. Yak!
Jul 10th, 2015 07:34 PM
shap_half
Re: The 20 Greatest *Active Singles* Players on the WTA Tour

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Winning 5 matches in 7 days against the Top 8 >> Winning 6 matches in 10 days in 96 player draw


That said, 700 points is a LOT
Think about it this way, under that point system, someone who wins the Indian Wells-Miami double would still be 200 points off someone who wins the YEC. I don't know if that's quite fair. And if the IW-M winner snags a bronze medal at the Olympics, then they would be tied in point accumulation.
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