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 Jan 26th, 2013 12:25 PM Kylger Re: Three Hands #1 - Australian Open [Congratulations to Drake1980] At least I finished in Top 10 with the first event Jan 26th, 2013 11:34 AM coolfish1103 Re: Three Hands #1 - Australian Open [Congratulations to Drake1980] NEW Proposed Rule Changes: Option 1. No duplicate picks. You can have 5 players being the same with any given pick that's already posted, but the last one has to be new. - In a draw with the least amount of players possible: 28 players - 28!/6!22! = 28*27*26*25*24*23/6*5*4*3*2*1 = 376,740 combinations. This will attempt to fix the number of similar picks but picks might still earn same amount of points because 14-16 players will lose in R32, 8 will lose in R16, 4 will lose in QF, 2 will lose in SF, 1 will lose in F. Tie-break rule will not change in this case. -- Option 2. A sudden death hand. Everyone has to place a sudden death hand with 1 player (cannot be the same players chosen in the three hands) and the round the selected player loses. - Additional tie-break rule will then be introduced for the sudden death hand should points earned between the players are equal and splitting points on valid hands will not yield results. Code: ```Tournament Tie Break: - Number of Valid Hands, if equal - Total points acquired in Hands 2 & 3, if equal - Total points acquired in Hand 3, if equal - Total points acquires in Hand 2, if equal - Points on Sudden Death Pick, if equal - Correct Round Sudden Death Pick, if equal - Round deviations, if equal - Lower ranking of the player chosen``` To explain: If everything else is equal (by taking out who posted the hands first), sudden death picks will be used to compare results. If sudden death picks yield same amount of points, then the predicted rounds will be used. If all the players predicted the rounds that the player advanced incorrectly, deviations of the rounds will be used. If that still does not produce a result, then the ranking of the player chosen will be used.To award risk takers, by choosing the player with a lower rank will yield the tie-break win. Example (if there's a tie-break): coolfish1103 picked Ivanovic for Round 32 in Australian Open Drake1980 picked Kerber for QF in Australian Open Compare results... Ivanovic = Kerber = R16 Correct rounds? Ivanovic R16 =/= R32 Kerber R16 =/= QF Deviations: Ivanovic -1 (R16-R32) Kerber -1 (R16-QF) Ranking: Ivanovic < Kerber, Ivanovic ranked lower. coolfish1103 would win the tie-break. Any other suggestions are welcome. Final call before main draw Doha, feel free to discuss here or in the Doha thread that will be opened during Fed Cup week. Jan 26th, 2013 11:03 AM coolfish1103 Re: Three Hands #1 - Australian Open [Congratulations to Drake1980] Ranking Points - After Australian Open Top 16 finishers receive bonus ranking points. Code: ```Rank Participants Points 1 Drake1980 1152 2 SAISAI-GOAT 921.6 3 Cheda 16.17 681.6 3 tina110 681.6 5 valac222 454.4 5 traddles 454.4 5 feifei 454.4 5 luvwilliams 454.4 9 Igorche 224 9 Kylger 224 9 Buitenzorg 224 9 supertec 224 9 Heinann 224 14 OhNaNa 220.8 15 Reephoria. 214.4 15 taloki 214.4 17 Barktra 67 17 champion88 67 17 Hidalgo 67 20 coolfish1103 66 20 anthonyqld 66 20 charmedRic 66 23 plokploky 64 24 HateBlackouts02 63 24 come on lena 63 26 Chilenaitor 62 27 Meelis 61 28 goOudinUSA 60 28 lolada_4 60 28 JustPetko 60 28 DiRenan 60 32 rbfilipe 56 33 Monzanator 53 34 lizzard11120 48 35 JustWonderful 42``` Thank you for participating in Three Hands. Congratulations to Drake1980! Next tournament will be in Doha with some rule changes to fix the tie break system. Please give your opinion on how to do tie breaks in this thread (or in the Doha thread). Final tie-break decision will be made before the main draw in Doha is out. Jan 26th, 2013 10:54 AM coolfish1103 Re: Three Hands #1 - Australian Open [Congratulations to Drake1980] Scoreboard - Final Code: ```Posts Participants Total 446 Drake1980 72 TB First Post 458 SAISAI-GOAT 72 217 Cheda 16.17 71 TB First Post 224 tina110 71 TB Second Post 229 valac222 71 TB Third Post 336 traddles 71 TB Fourth Post 457 feifei 71 TB Fifth Post 563 luvwilliams 71 TB Sixth Post 331 Igorche 70 TB Hands 2 & 3 = 67, First Post 342 Kylger 70 TB Hands 2 & 3 = 67, Second Post 460 Buitenzorg 70 TB Hands 2 & 3 = 67, Third Post 572 supertec 70 TB Hands 2 & 3 = 66 341 Heinann 70 TB Hands 2 & 3 = 65 345 OhNaNa 69 451 Reephoria. 67 TB Hands 2 & 3 = 67, TB Hands 3 = 51 574 taloki 67 TB Hands 2 & 3 = 67, TB Hands 3 = 45 --- 344 Barktra 67 TB Hands 2 & 3 = 66 575 champion88 67 TB Hands 2 & 3 = 65 227 Hidalgo 67 TB Hands 2 & 3 = 63 338 charmedRic 66 453 coolfish1103 66 566 anthonyqld 66 459 plokploky 64 448 HateBlackouts02 63 568 come on lena 63 221 Chilenaitor 62 455 Meelis 61 222 goOudinUSA 60 333 lolada_4 60 454 JustPetko 60 573 DiRenan 60 449 rbfilipe 56 226 Monzanator 53 571 lizzard11120 48 569 JustWonderful 42``` Jan 25th, 2013 03:55 AM Kylger Re: Three Hands #1 - Australian Open [Congratulations to Drake1980] Quote: Originally Posted by coolfish1103 View Post It's in the rules Well I already saw this happening when I see lots of people placing same picks. Since it's a test season so additional rules will be changed in the later tournaments to make sure this tie break rule isn't used very often. Any suggestions? 1. Each participant's pick must be unique to each other. No duplicates. 2. Add a sudden death hand by picking 1 player and the rounds the player reaches. - Compare the rounds that the chosen player has reached, if equal - Whoever guessed the right player in the right round, if equal, then use the original rules - Players who do not place sudden death picks will forfeit the rights to use tie-break Hopefully that will reduce the amount of similar picks and lead to less tie-breaks. The 1st option is not thinkable, especially in 32 draw. There is only so many options one can choose. Love the 2nd option though. That would be cool. Jan 25th, 2013 01:27 AM coolfish1103 Re: Three Hands #1 - Australian Open [Congratulations to Drake1980] Quote: Originally Posted by SAISAI-GOAT View Post first to post tiebreak was that publicized in the rules can't we just be joint winners of this 1st event, after all this is the "test season" It's in the rules Well I already saw this happening when I see lots of people placing same picks. Since it's a test season so additional rules will be changed in the later tournaments to make sure this tie break rule isn't used very often. Any suggestions? 1. Each participant's pick must be unique to each other. No duplicates. 2. Add a sudden death hand by picking 1 player and the rounds the player reaches. - Compare the rounds that the chosen player has reached, if equal - Whoever guessed the right player in the right round, if equal, then use the original rules - Players who do not place sudden death picks will forfeit the rights to use tie-break Hopefully that will reduce the amount of similar picks and lead to less tie-breaks. Quote: Originally Posted by Kylger View Post Since my Hand 1+2 is equal with the score of Hand 3 it's invalid right now? If Azarenka wins will my Hand 3 will be valid then? I don't understand how the bonuses work! Since my Hand 2 is better than Hand 1, my points are doubles for Hand 2. My Hand 3 doesn't have to be better than Hand 1 + (Hand 2)x2 right? EDIT - never mind the first part , you explained it above but the bonuses are what I wrote right? If Azarenka wins the tournament your third hand will become valid again. Only raw points are used to compare valid hands, no bonuses included. Once a hand is valid, they will earn bonuses (x2) or (x3) according to which hand it is. Jan 24th, 2013 06:21 PM Drake1980 Re: Three Hands #1 - Australian Open [Congratulations to Drake1980] Jan 24th, 2013 03:44 PM Kylger Re: Three Hands #1 - Australian Open [Congratulations to Drake1980] Since my Hand 1+2 is equal with the score of Hand 3 it's invalid right now? If Azarenka wins will my Hand 3 will be valid then? I don't understand how the bonuses work! Since my Hand 2 is better than Hand 1, my points are doubles for Hand 2. My Hand 3 doesn't have to be better than Hand 1 + (Hand 2)x2 right? EDIT - never mind the first part , you explained it above but the bonuses are what I wrote right? Jan 24th, 2013 02:35 PM SAISAI-GOAT Re: Three Hands #1 - Australian Open [Congratulations to Drake1980] first to post tiebreak was that publicized in the rules can't we just be joint winners of this 1st event, after all this is the "test season" Jan 24th, 2013 05:38 AM coolfish1103 Re: Three Hands #1 - Australian Open [After QF 8 leads jointly] Scoreboard - After Semifinals Code: ```Posts Participants Total 0458 SAISAI-GOAT 69 0446 Drake1980 69 0457 feifei 68 0563 luvwilliams 68 0224 tina110 68 0229 valac222 68 0217 Cheda 16.17 68 0336 traddles 68 0341 Heinann 67 0572 supertec 67 0345 OhNaNa 66 0227 Hidalgo 64 0574 taloki 64 0575 champion88 64 0451 Reephoria. 64 0344 Barktra 64 0566 anthonyqld 63 0453 coolfish1103 63 0338 charmedRic 63 0459 plokploky 61 0568 come on lena 60 0448 HateBlackouts02 60 0221 Chilenaitor 59 0455 Meelis 58 0573 DiRenan 57 0222 goOudinUSA 57 0333 lolada_4 57 0454 JustPetko 57 0449 rbfilipe 53 0226 Monzanator 50 0571 lizzard11120 48 0569 JustWonderful 42 0331 Igorche 25 0460 Buitenzorg 25 0342 Kylger 25``` Since Sharapova lost, Drake1980 has won the tournament by tie-break (first to post). Congratulations! NA-MUG Jan 24th, 2013 12:58 AM coolfish1103 Re: Three Hands #1 - Australian Open [After QF 8 leads jointly] Quote: Originally Posted by Buitenzorg View Post I don't really get this game. after R16 I've got 55pts and after QF I only have 23pts? Intermediate updates are not final results. As the round goes, a hand may be valid or invalid based on the players the participant chose and how far the players have advanced. After Quarterfinals, for your hand: Hand 1 - Ivanovic = 3 points Hand 2 - Li Na/Sharapova = 5+5 = 10 points Hand 3 - Azarenka/S.Williams/A.Radwanska = 5+4+4 = 13 points To receive valid hand points, Hand 1 is always valid, Hand 2 must be > than Hand 1, Hand 3 must be > than Hand 1 + Hand 2, So you received 3 + 10(2) + 13(0) = 23 points You received 0 points for Hand 3 because 13 is not > (10+3). Your third hand will become valid after the final if Azarenka wins the Australian Open, because Hand 2 - Li Na/Sharapova = 5+6 (or 6+5) = 11 points Hand 3 - Azarenka/S.Williams/A.Radwanska = 7+4+4 = 15 points and 15 > (11+3). Currently, you, Igorche, and Kylger are all in this situation. I hope it makes more sense now. Jan 23rd, 2013 10:49 PM Buitenzorg Re: Three Hands #1 - Australian Open [After QF 8 leads jointly] I don't really get this game. after R16 I've got 55pts and after QF I only have 23pts? Jan 23rd, 2013 08:31 AM coolfish1103 Re: Three Hands #1 - Australian Open [After R16 Eleven leads jointly] Scoreboard - After Quarterfinals Code: ```Posts Participants Total 0458 SAISAI-GOAT 63 0457 feifei 63 0563 luvwilliams 63 0446 Drake1980 63 0224 tina110 63 0229 valac222 63 0217 Cheda 16.17 63 0336 traddles 63 0572 supertec 62 0341 Heinann 61 0345 OhNaNa 61 0338 charmedRic 60 0227 Hidalgo 59 0574 taloki 59 0344 Barktra 59 0566 anthonyqld 58 0575 champion88 58 0451 Reephoria. 58 0568 come on lena 57 0453 coolfish1103 57 0221 Chilenaitor 56 0455 Meelis 55 0459 plokploky 55 0448 HateBlackouts02 55 0573 DiRenan 54 0222 goOudinUSA 54 0333 lolada_4 54 0454 JustPetko 54 0449 rbfilipe 50 0226 Monzanator 47 0571 lizzard11120 46 0569 JustWonderful 39 0331 Igorche 23 0460 Buitenzorg 23 0342 Kylger 23``` Eight leads after quarterfinals. Someone has Sharapova for Hand 1, may have invalid hands at the end if she wins. Jan 22nd, 2013 03:31 AM coolfish1103 Re: Three Hands #1 - Australian Open [After R16 Eleven leads jointly] Quote: Originally Posted by SAISAI-GOAT View Post so the fact that Na beat Aga must be good for me right That depends on if other top players bomb out. Quote: Originally Posted by lizzard11120 View Post I Fail at this First time I am sure many people don't get the rules. It should get better next time! I will try to revise the rules so whoever posts first tie-break won't be used so often. Jan 22nd, 2013 03:11 AM Lord Sneeze Re: Three Hands #1 - Australian Open [After R16 Eleven leads jointly] I Fail at this This thread has more than 15 replies. Click here to review the whole thread.