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Jan 10th, 2013 05:34 PM
KournikovaFan91
Re: Venezuela denies visa for 16.5 Israeli Valeria Patiuk to play junior G1 tournamen

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Originally Posted by markdelaney View Post
Let me get this right ? You're French and you're accusing another country of illegal colonisation and racism ? ! I can't make up my mind whether you are really that stupid or pretending to be.
Lol and your British so just a guilty as France. The only French territory regarded by the UN as non self governing is New Caledonia. The UK has 10 on the list a list which only has 16 territories on it. Who's exactly is the modern colonialist then?

Regarding sport and politics would people have advocated engagement with apartheid South Africa on sporting terms, the IOC didn't think so.
Jan 10th, 2013 05:20 PM
matty
Re: Venezuela denies visa for 16.5 Israeli Valeria Patiuk to play junior G1 tournamen

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Originally Posted by KournikovaFan91 View Post
...probably the American version of left wing which is actually a centre-right winger in almost every other country.
True. Whenever anybody mentions socialized medicine in this country, the righties scream: Stalin, Hitler, Communist! Hitler was a fascist--that's like the opposite of a communist
Jan 10th, 2013 04:25 PM
Talula
Re: Venezuela denies visa for 16.5 Israeli Valeria Patiuk to play junior G1 tournamen

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Originally Posted by améliemomo View Post
Brazil doesnt recognize Israel so should the wta punish this country too??of course not.

just read at what nonsense you spot on. Israel is not popular and you perfectly the reasons, if Venezuela is known of being a dicatorship so what do we say about Israel?(genocide,illegal colonisation,racisme...) If the country policy in Venezuela is like that well that their concern, it is interior policy and wta nor any other autority can interfere in it. Just live with that. Not every country must be with Israel and THANK GOD many are NOT.
That's politics.

If every country banned players from countries it didn't like there would be no tournaments!

Sport should not be ruled by politics and players should be able to play in tournaments. It is not hard to separate politics from sport - most countries do it.
Jan 10th, 2013 04:21 PM
Talula
Re: Venezuela denies visa for 16.5 Israeli Valeria Patiuk to play junior G1 tournamen

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Originally Posted by adner View Post
It's not about being with Israel. If you host a WTA/ITF tournament in your country, you should not be allowed to handpick the players able to play it. It's against common sense.
I agree.

Players have no say where they are born and if you want to host an International event you need to take the players regardless of where they're from.

What if the World No 1, 2 and 3 were Israeli?

How can you pick between so called good and bad countries? Who decides? What if the player doesn't agree with their country's politics? t would be a disaster for any sport if countries tried to do that. It's illogical and unfair.
Jan 10th, 2013 03:34 PM
markdelaney
Re: Venezuela denies visa for 16.5 Israeli Valeria Patiuk to play junior G1 tournamen

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Originally Posted by améliemomo View Post
Brazil doesnt recognize Israel so should the wta punish this country too??of course not.

just read at what nonsense you spot on. Israel is not popular and you perfectly the reasons, if Venezuela is known of being a dicatorship so what do we say about Israel?(genocide,illegal colonisation,racisme...) If the country policy in Venezuela is like that well that their concern, it is interior policy and wta nor any other autority can interfere in it. Just live with that. Not every country must be with Israel and THANK GOD many are NOT.

Let me get this right ? You're French and you're accusing another country of illegal colonisation and racism ? ! I can't make up my mind whether you are really that stupid or pretending to be.
Jan 10th, 2013 12:56 PM
alfonsojose
Re: Venezuela denies visa for 16.5 Israeli Valeria Patiuk to play junior G1 tournamen

Como to Barranquilla, Colombia There's a huge juniors tourney next week
Jan 10th, 2013 12:41 PM
spiceboy
Re: Venezuela denies visa for 16.5 Israeli Valeria Patiuk to play junior G1 tournamen

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Originally Posted by KournikovaFan91 View Post

I'm skeptical that if that poster is actually left wing, probably the American version of left wing which is actually a centre-right winger in almost every other country.
So true
Jan 10th, 2013 12:37 PM
KournikovaFan91
Re: Venezuela denies visa for 16.5 Israeli Valeria Patiuk to play junior G1 tournamen

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Originally Posted by thegreendestiny View Post
Well, when you cut down poverty rate from nearly 50% down to 30%, that must be working right. It's funny how all American and western media try to call any non-subservient leader who has nationalistic policies to be authoritarian/dictatorship. Look at what Venezuela has really achieved since Chavez became president. I mean, compare pre-Chavez era to Chavez era in terms of HDI, per capita GDP and growth rates, you might be surprised. Your not just left wing, your a left wing dumbo.

Anyways, who cares about these Israeli players, not like they're relevant anyway. Next.
Exactly this chick and Peer are so local nobody cares.

I'm skeptical that if that poster is actually left wing, probably the American version of left wing which is actually a centre-right winger in almost every other country.
Jan 10th, 2013 08:52 AM
spiceboy
Re: Venezuela denies visa for 16.5 Israeli Valeria Patiuk to play junior G1 tournamen

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Originally Posted by juki View Post
Patiuk was able to get a visa after all, she won her R2 match in Venezuela today 63 60
Yes, but the Israelians always playing the victims card. Especially filthy and disgusting coming from people whose politics are based on harrassing a country without a country.
Jan 10th, 2013 07:02 AM
thegreendestiny
Re: Venezuela denies visa for 16.5 Israeli Valeria Patiuk to play junior G1 tournamen

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Originally Posted by ptkten View Post
No surprise, Venezuela is a backward dictatorship that deserves to be shunned. I'm pretty left wing but anyone who tries to defend Chavez and his authoritarian government has no idea what they're talking about.
Well, when you cut down poverty rate from nearly 50% down to 30%, that must be working right. It's funny how all American and western media try to call any non-subservient leader who has nationalistic policies to be authoritarian/dictatorship. Look at what Venezuela has really achieved since Chavez became president. I mean, compare pre-Chavez era to Chavez era in terms of HDI, per capita GDP and growth rates, you might be surprised. You're not just left wing, your a left wing dumbo.

Anyways, who cares about these Israeli players, not like they're relevant anyway. Next.
Jan 10th, 2013 06:32 AM
matty
Re: Venezuela denies visa for 16.5 Israeli Valeria Patiuk to play junior G1 tournamen

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Originally Posted by Jarl_02 View Post
I don't know if you are venezuelan or not bur the things are way more complicated than that. He's not winning for those reasons.
This is a very long subject but of couse it's not what the nedia is.
Either way I think it's stupid that they didnt give to visa to her bur it makes sense because of my country's stupid politics...we are by the way the first country to recognize palestine...
I'm against the goverment and I'm venezuelan
"Milk and Bricks" program for the starving people living in cardboard shacks.

and look, she got her visa.
Jan 10th, 2013 06:25 AM
matty
Re: Venezuela denies visa for 16.5 Israeli Valeria Patiuk to play junior G1 tournamen

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Originally Posted by jj74 View Post
After years of being prison for his attempt to take the goverment when he was a militar.

Chavez acts like a dictator, it's true that he won the elections, but he took control of the media, and his way of actions are more proper of a dictator than a democratic president.

Anyway, the problem here is not what one feels about Israel is about denying a visa to a player for not other reasons than his nationality. As long as i know Valeria is not responsible of what his country do or not do.
If you host an itf event, you know you will receive a lot of players of different countries, if you don't want players from a country to go to the event, you better not host a tournament. It's as simple as that
the U.S. usually installs the dictators--the one's that will go along with our pillage of a country's natural resources. We don't like him because he is using the country's oil to help the people of Venezuela.
Jan 10th, 2013 06:19 AM
Morning Morgan
Re: Venezuela denies visa for 16.5 Israeli Valeria Patiuk to play junior G1 tournamen

^^

It's both: Chavez is demented and US wants their oil.
Jan 10th, 2013 06:14 AM
matty
Re: Venezuela denies visa for 16.5 Israeli Valeria Patiuk to play junior G1 tournamen

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Originally Posted by ptkten View Post
No surprise, Venezuela is a backward dictatorship that deserves to be shunned. I'm pretty left wing but anyone who tries to defend Chavez and his authoritarian government has no idea what they're talking about.
U.S. and others just want their oil. And I know what I'm talking about. He's pro-poor people, pro-union and pro using $ from the country's natural resources for their own people. Internatioanl OIL corporations can't have that $ going to the poor and middle class-it needs to be funneled out and the profits must go to corporations, so they can continue to buy the world's governments.
Jan 10th, 2013 04:47 AM
KournikovaFan91 See it was probably some admin error. Talk about making a mountain out of a molehill.


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