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Feb 27th, 2014 02:41 PM
Monzanator
Re: Belfast riots

Northern Ireland doesn't speak one voice from what I reckon. And that's the main problem. The second one is that Republic doesn't need Northern Ireland at all. It's a similar case in Germany where the former DDR remains the poor cousin in most West German's mindset. Likewise the United Ireland, it will need centuries for the old wounds to heal and I don't see it happening in the XXI century at all
Feb 27th, 2014 06:43 AM
Halardfan
Re: Belfast riots

Quote:
Originally Posted by Londoner View Post
No one I know will ever deny Ireland was a separate country from England and should be united.

And any British Government that found a solution to unite Ireland would be incredibly popular. So why hasn't one done it? Surely one of the reasons is that the majority of people in Northern Ireland don't want it. So what do you do with those people if you do unite Ireland? I don't know.

There are Irish married to English. There are Irish and English shagging as we speak (I have and hopefully will ). Irish live in England and English live in Ireland. The Irish are very popular with the English even if it appears that some Irish hate the English. I just dread a potential bloodbath and the sort of nationalistic hatred that always happens - Yugoslavia anyone? - where families turn on each other. My family is a mish mash of Irish, Scottish and English. No one is 'pure', and the pursuit of 'purity' is what the Nazis did.

The point I'm trying to make is that everyone knows it's a mess. With hindsight it's a mess that shouldn't have happened. But what do we do now? Anyone can bang on about the history, but I have never heard anyone actually say what should happen!
Absolutely. Most would agree that great historical wrongs have been done in Britain's relationship with Ireland, most of them from the British side. Yet with the Northern Ireland problem still unsolved we haven't the luxury to obsess over it.

For a generation now the British government has been a sincere agent for peace in Northern Ireland. They are not the one's holding things back and have not been for a long time.

Assuming the Irish Republic wants Northern Ireland, and assuming most Mainland Brits want that too, we are left with the huge practical problem of how to achieve that. An end to religiously divided schooling would be an important step.
Feb 27th, 2014 04:14 AM
EdinburghMan
Re: Belfast riots

Quote:
Originally Posted by KournikovaFan91 View Post
All this. Especially the bolded.
No one I know will ever deny Ireland was a separate country from England and should be united.

And any British Government that found a solution to unite Ireland would be incredibly popular. So why hasn't one done it? Surely one of the reasons is that the majority of people in Northern Ireland don't want it. So what do you do with those people if you do unite Ireland? I don't know.

There are Irish married to English. There are Irish and English shagging as we speak (I have and hopefully will ). Irish live in England and English live in Ireland. The Irish are very popular with the English even if it appears that some Irish hate the English. I just dread a potential bloodbath and the sort of nationalistic hatred that always happens - Yugoslavia anyone? - where families turn on each other. My family is a mish mash of Irish, Scottish and English. No one is 'pure', and the pursuit of 'purity' is what the Nazis did.

The point I'm trying to make is that everyone knows it's a mess. With hindsight it's a mess that shouldn't have happened. But what do we do now? Anyone can bang on about the history, but I have never heard anyone actually say what should happen!
Feb 27th, 2014 03:41 AM
EdinburghMan
Re: Belfast riots

I'm with Halardfan when he says the sooner we are rid and there is a United Ireland the better. And everyone I know feels the same. Of course Britain will be blamed for the ensuing civil war, but hey, damned if we do and damned if we don't.

Sign the paperwork and hand over the keys and what will be will be.
Feb 26th, 2014 10:56 PM
Halardfan
Re: Belfast riots

The Northern Ireland administration may collapse over the secret deal that the then British government did not to pursue wanted IRA terrorists. The case against the Hyde Park bomber collapsed due to a mistake related to it.

Again it shows the British government in recent years acting with the best of intentions, with an impossible dilemma. In pursuit of peace it became necessary to do deals with murderous people. That was the price of peace, hard to stomach though it is.

To say again, for the good of Britain I hope a path to a United Ireland can be found. Mainland Britain is not the main obstacle to that if it ever was.
Aug 11th, 2013 02:11 AM
Halardfan
Re: Belfast riots

Quote:
Originally Posted by *JR* View Post
And in the well-meaning sentence I enlarged lies the rub, in the single word mainland. Think of the same sentence as thus:


But alas, you instinctively said "the mainland", like Northern Ireland was akin to the Channel Islands. Sorry mate, its part of another country that the then British Empire kept after giving up the rest of Ireland in 1922 (I still think mainly to support a naval "fallback position" for an eventual resumption of The Great War, now known as WWI).

GBR has no more right to sovereignty ova any part of Ireland than it did in India, Palestine, etc. (Places like Gibraltar where you blokes are such a vast majority being somewhat different). QEI is a major historical figure, establishing naval supremacy during her reign. If QE2 wants some historical significance, she should start the process of dissolving this Bantustan.

It took 13 years (begun under Thatcher, no less) for the details of "1 country, 2 systems" 2B worked out regarding Hong Kong B4 the scheduled 1997 handova. Again, both elemets (2 systems for the first 50 years, and a +/- 13 year transition period) might be a good template here.
Mainland is a perfectly reasonable way to describe the current situation!

I make no claim on the place, I like many MAINLAND Brits (as opposed to Northern Irish Brits) want rid ASAP. Your arguement isn't with me!
Aug 10th, 2013 11:54 PM
KournikovaFan91
Re: Belfast riots

Quote:
Originally Posted by *JR* View Post
And in the well-meaning sentence I enlarged lies the rub, in the single word mainland. Think of the same sentence as thus:


But alas, you instinctively said "the mainland", like Northern Ireland was akin to the Channel Islands. Sorry mate, its part of another country that the then British Empire kept after giving up the rest of Ireland in 1922 (I still think mainly to support a naval "fallback position" for an eventual resumption of The Great War, now known as WWI).


GBR has no more right to sovereignty ova any part of Ireland than it did in India, Palestine, etc. (Places like Gibraltar where you blokes are such a vast majority being somewhat different). QEI is a major historical figure, establishing naval supremacy during her reign. If QE2 wants some historical significance, she should start the process of dissolving this Bantustan.

It took 13 years (begun under Thatcher, no less) for the details of "1 country, 2 systems" 2B worked out regarding Hong Kong B4 the scheduled 1997 handova. Again, both elemets (2 systems for the first 50 years, and a +/- 13 year transition period) might be a good template here.
All this. Especially the bolded.
Aug 10th, 2013 11:42 PM
*JR*
Re: Belfast riots

Quote:
Originally Posted by Halardfan View Post

Everyone here agrees the Loyalist rioters are opportunistic scumbags, so that's not even up for debate.

What IS up for debate are the motivations of many of the marchers. Many are linked to living breathing active terrorist groups. We are not taking about Sinn Fein. but 'politcal wings' of still murderous terrorists. There motivation in the commemoration is dubious. They want to tear down the peace process, in this they and the Loyalist louts have common causes.

Sooner the mainland washes its hands of Northern Ireland the better for us.
And in the well-meaning sentence I enlarged lies the rub, in the single word mainland. Think of the same sentence as thus:
Quote:
Sooner Great Britain washes its hands of Northern Ireland the better for us.
But alas, you instinctively said "the mainland", like Northern Ireland was akin to the Channel Islands. Sorry mate, its part of another country that the then British Empire kept after giving up the rest of Ireland in 1922 (I still think mainly to support a naval "fallback position" for an eventual resumption of The Great War, now known as WWI).

GBR has no more right to sovereignty ova any part of Ireland than it did in India, Palestine, etc. (Places like Gibraltar where you blokes are such a vast majority being somewhat different). QEI is a major historical figure, establishing naval supremacy during her reign. If QE2 wants some historical significance, she should start the process of dissolving this Bantustan.

It took 13 years (begun under Thatcher, no less) for the details of "1 country, 2 systems" 2B worked out regarding Hong Kong B4 the scheduled 1997 handova. Again, both elemets (2 systems for the first 50 years, and a +/- 13 year transition period) might be a good template here.
Aug 10th, 2013 08:27 PM
Halardfan
Re: Belfast riots

Everyone here agrees the Loyalist rioters are opportunistic scumbags, so that's not even up for debate.

What IS up for debate are the motivations of many of the marchers. Many are linked to living breathing active terrorist groups. We are not taking about Sinn Fein. but 'politcal wings' of still murderous terrorists. There motivation in the commemoration is dubious. They want to tear down the peace process, in this they and the Loyalist louts have common causes.

Sooner the mainland washes its hands of Northern Ireland the better for us.
Aug 10th, 2013 02:31 PM
KournikovaFan91
Re: Belfast riots

Classy as ever Loyalists I mean they have zero international support for their bullshit, anyone who looks at that situation from the outside doesn't support their position on most things.

Also on social issues some of them would give Michelle Bachmann a run for her money, if you are Protestant and a member of a minority group like gay for example you're a fool to vote of the UUP/DUP over SF/SDLP just because of your religious identification.
Aug 10th, 2013 02:20 PM
jameshazza
Re: Belfast riots

Republicans were commemorating the disgusting policy of internment, they had every right to protest last night.

The parade commission should never have allowed 4/5 protestant counter-marches. Did they expect any less?
Aug 10th, 2013 02:13 PM
*JR*
Re: Belfast riots



Reuters/Reuters - A police officer is tended to by a colleague after Loyalist protesters attacked the police with bricks and bottles as they waited for a Republican parade to make its way through Belfast City Centre, August 9, 2013.

For the thard time ITT:

C'mon cops, beat the fuck outta them!

And Westminster, ya can 'ave yer ports (the US has kept Gitmo for fifty-far years under the Castro brothers now) but give Dublin the damn title certificate already.
Aug 10th, 2013 12:26 PM
kwilliams
Re: Belfast riots

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/northern-ir...2.html#oQTys4S

Trouble, yet again.
Aug 4th, 2013 09:15 PM
Material World
Re: Belfast riots

Woman is just as bad as all the other twitter/facebook trolls and keyboard warriors and should be treated as such in law.
Aug 4th, 2013 09:09 PM
*JR*
Re: Belfast riots

http://www.anphoblacht.com/contents/23295
2 August 2013

DUP hardliner arrested over her ‘massacre Sinn Féin’ Facebook post

HARDLINE DUP Councillor Ruth Patterson – former Deputy Mayor of Belfast and one-time Ulster Defence Regiment soldier – was arrested on Friday morning around 9am and was still being questioned by the PSNI on Friday evening after her Facebook posting endorsed the killing of named republicans.

The south Belfast councillor, responding to a fictional scenario in which loyalists massacred republicans attending a rally in Castlederg, west Tyrone, wrote: “We would have done a great service to Northern Ireland getting rid of these evil, devious, scum-like individuals.”

The DUP standard bearer also said she didn’t care how she would be judged or what other people thought. (Put that witch in the Maze Prison, I say)

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