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Dec 8th, 2012 07:25 PM
Sombrerero loco
Re: Peak on Grass: Sharapova VS Novotna VS Davenport VS Hingis?

Legend
Dec 8th, 2012 07:21 PM
ShiftyFella
Re: Peak on Grass: Sharapova VS Novotna VS Davenport VS Hingis?

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Originally Posted by LightWarrior View Post
Losing 5 times in 5 meetings against Graf at Wimbledon proves that she's not a "tremendous" grasscourter...
no, it's just proves Steffi was badmatchup for her
Dec 8th, 2012 07:20 PM
Sammo
Re: Peak on Grass: Sharapova VS Novotna VS Davenport VS Hingis?

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Originally Posted by LightWarrior View Post
Losing 5 times in 5 meetings against Graf at Wimbledon proves that she's not a "tremendous" grasscourter...
At her peak she is a tremendous grasscourter, but she was a mental midget. And yes there is a difference between been a sucker and saying that she was a mental midget as an excuse and being an amazing player like Novotna and really being a mental midget.
Dec 8th, 2012 07:06 PM
LightWarrior
Re: Peak on Grass: Sharapova VS Novotna VS Davenport VS Hingis?

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Originally Posted by hurricanejeanne View Post
This.
Though I do think Novotna deserves a bit more respect in this thread; she was a tremendous grasscourter.
Losing 5 times in 5 meetings against Graf at Wimbledon proves that she's not a "tremendous" grasscourter...
Dec 8th, 2012 06:53 PM
hurricanejeanne
Re: Peak on Grass: Sharapova VS Novotna VS Davenport VS Hingis?

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Originally Posted by RenaSlam. View Post
Davenport > The other knaves.
This.
Though I do think Novotna deserves a bit more respect in this thread; she was a tremendous grasscourter.
Dec 8th, 2012 05:45 PM
RenaSlam.
Re: Peak on Grass: Sharapova VS Novotna VS Davenport VS Hingis?

Davenport > The other knaves.
Dec 8th, 2012 04:49 PM
PLP
Re: Peak on Grass: Sharapova VS Novotna VS Davenport VS Hingis?

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Originally Posted by Steffibestever View Post
Surprised Davenport is leading Novotna on this poll. Davenport would never be leading a prime Graf in a Wimbledon final deep into a 3rd set like Jana was doing in the 1993 final. Novotna in her prime pretty much only lost to Graf on grass, and once to Hingis when injured. Davenport in her prime lost to Tauziat at Wimbledon one time.
Hmmm, Let's not forget that Davenport defeated Graf in her lone Wimbledon trophy. Steffi did not play well in that final, obviously, but I think at her peak Lindsay would have been the favorite out of these 4. Too much consistent power, too many consistently booming serves.

It's a tough choice for 2nd between Maria and Jana.. While I would put Martina 4th in this poll, I would also give her a great chance to defeat the other three players on this surface. Her lone win over Sharapova was on an extremely fast surface, she beat Jana for her lone Wimbledon crown, and also matched up well with Linds on quicker surfaces as she could expose her movement.

Davenport>Sharapova+Novotna>Hingis
Dec 8th, 2012 08:41 AM
fluffyelloballz
Re: Peak on Grass: Sharapova VS Novotna VS Davenport VS Hingis?

1. Davenport: Big serve, flat groundies, aggressive forward moving attack. A win,beating a well-playing Graf, 2 finals, losing to Venus. Could have won more if you ask me but one title is enough
2. Novotna. Damn high peak when on but not against the very best. Blew the match to Graf where he peak suddenly turned into a trough and beat Tauziat in her final, a woman who she dwarfed in terms of talent and experience.
3. Sharapova. Never repeated that fearless peak of 2004.
4. Hingis. Blew hot and cold at Wimby. In her peak year, she brought it on, but never replicated that success again.
Dec 8th, 2012 02:08 AM
Tennisgucker
Re: Peak on Grass: Sharapova VS Novotna VS Davenport VS Hingis?

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Originally Posted by Sam L View Post
Sharapova actually has a better winning percentage on grass than all these players.

The only reason I put her below Davenport is that at her peak, I believe Davenport is better.
Winning percentage at Wimbledon: Davenport 81.67% (49:11), Sharapova 80.43% (37:9), Novotná 80.30% (53:13), Hingis 74.19% (23:8). So despite Hingis they are all nearly equal in that point.

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Also, if it weren't for the Williams sisters, she'd be a multiple Wimbledon champion.
Some Statistics:

Novotná:
Losses to the champion: 5 (1993,1995,1996,1997,1999)
Losses to the runner-up: 2 (1987,1994)
Most losses against: Steffi Graf (5: 1987,1990,1993,1995,1996)

Davenport:
Losses to the champion: 5 (1994,2000,2001,2004,2005)
Losses to the runner-up: 2 (1998,2003)
Most losses against: Venus Williams (4: 2000,2001,2003,2005)

Hingis:
Losses to the champion: 4 (1995,1996,1998,2000)
Losses to the runner-up: 0
Most losses against: Steffi Graf (2: 1995,1996)

Sharapova:
Losses to the champion: 5 (2005,2006,2007,2010,2011)
Losses to the runner-up: 0
Most losses against: Venus Williams (2: 2005,2007)

So you could also say: "If it weren't for Venus Williams, Lindsay Davenport would be a multiple Wimbledon champion." as well as "If it weren't for Steffi Graf, Jana Novotná would be a multiple Wimbledon champion."

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That's why it's easily Davenport then Sharapova then Novotna then Hingis.
As you can see, it is not that easy.
Dec 8th, 2012 02:02 AM
Sam L
Re: Peak on Grass: Sharapova VS Novotna VS Davenport VS Hingis?

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Originally Posted by The Dawntreader View Post
at people choosing Novotna over Lindsay. Look how badly Novotna matched up against Davenport her whole career.
I missed this. Exactly. She had no answers for Lindsay's ground strokes and that would've been the same against Sharapova back in 2004-05.
Dec 8th, 2012 01:31 AM
The Dawntreader
Re: Peak on Grass: Sharapova VS Novotna VS Davenport VS Hingis?

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Originally Posted by Volcana View Post
Novotna. Easily. Far and away the best grass court player of the four at her best. And far and away the least of the four at playing her best for a sustained period.
On what basis?
Dec 8th, 2012 01:19 AM
Yoncé
Re: Peak on Grass: Sharapova VS Novotna VS Davenport VS Hingis?

Davenport > Novotna > Sharapova.
Dec 7th, 2012 11:54 PM
atominside
Re: Peak on Grass: Sharapova VS Novotna VS Davenport VS Hingis?

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Originally Posted by madmax View Post

usual TF propaganda about Maria's "fluke" wins. When will this board start respecting her as a player? I guess when cows will start flying in front of their eyes LOL
maria and her 4 fluke grandslams
Dec 7th, 2012 11:07 PM
madmax
Re: Peak on Grass: Sharapova VS Novotna VS Davenport VS Hingis?

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Originally Posted by LightWarrior View Post
Hingis was lucky that Novotna got injured during the final, Pova lucky that Serena was off. Both are pretty much fluke wins.
Hingis < Pova <<<< Davenport & Novotna

usual TF propaganda about Maria's "fluke" wins. When will this board start respecting her as a player? I guess when cows will start flying in front of their eyes LOL
Dec 7th, 2012 11:03 PM
Sam L
Re: Peak on Grass: Sharapova VS Novotna VS Davenport VS Hingis?

Sharapova actually has a better winning percentage on grass than all these players.

The only reason I put her below Davenport is that at her peak, I believe Davenport is better.

Also, if it weren't for the Williams sisters, she'd be a multiple Wimbledon champion.

That's why it's easily Davenport then Sharapova then Novotna then Hingis.
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