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Mar 14th, 2016 02:55 AM
Hugues Daniel
Re: Chris Evert Thread

To me, Evert was the first modern female player. The first I can see replacing her feet in the oppposite direction of her shot to anticipate the next one, especially after her backhand. When a movement shows more technicity than athleticism, it can be described as modern. Evert didn't bring athleticism to win in her field, she perfected the game itself, showing the way and opening the door to many other tennis women.
Mar 8th, 2016 10:35 PM
JakeMan90-93
Re: Chris Evert Thread

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Maybe this has already been said, but would've loved a "TF" when she was still playing. I was a big fan back in the day. her contribution to the baseline game, not to mention the two handed backhand, will always be extraordinary.



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I was thinking this very thing the other day, I think in particular because the personalities were so much stronger and complex back in the day than they are now, too. I would imagine there would've been a lot more Threads whose title started with BOMBSHELL back in the day with players like Casals, Shriver, Jordan, Gadusek, King, Hana, Jaeger, playing than they are with the rather dry personalities (Serena excluded) that most of the top players have today. If there can be such passion and fervor for players like Wozniacki who is pretty dull as far as I can tell, I can only imagine what the board would've been like with a Helen Kelesi or Patty Hogan.
Mar 8th, 2016 07:47 PM
kerberfan
Re: Chris Evert Thread

Maybe this has already been said, but would've loved a "TF" when she was still playing. I was a big fan back in the day. her contribution to the baseline game, not to mention the two handed backhand, will always be extraordinary.



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Mar 8th, 2016 07:38 PM
BCP
Re: Chris Evert Thread

Evert v Russell WTT tie-break. Can't believe how good the picture quality is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAiyhw8y5SA
Feb 15th, 2016 10:01 AM
bionic71
Re: Chris Evert Thread

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commentators used to suggest that the way to beat her was to attack the net. Problem was players fell regardless. There is no statistical basis to see her a more vulnerable to net-rushers. Only one of the above mentioned great net chargers she played against has a winning record over her.
Yep, I agree.
As a baseliner myself, I moulded my own game on Evert and Connors. I much prefer to play a hard hitting net charger than another baseliner.
Much prefer the target at the net.
A good solid baseliner is far more difficult to contend with, because you need to try and out position one another....point after point...it is tiresome.
Look at Everts matches against some of the better baseliners...notably Austin, Jaeger, Maleeva, Sabatini...they are complex and exhausting.
Feb 14th, 2016 05:04 PM
davidjaan1982
Re: Chris Evert Thread

Re the power Evert generated despite the lack of a powerful build.... She achieved this through early positioning and superior technique - her entire body and shoulder seemed to be behind every shot. She also was great at using opponents' power against them. The harder they hit, the harder Evert returned. Evert thrived against players who tried to power past her and that too with serve and volley techniques such as Margaret Court in their early matches. Margaret started faring better only after she cut down her power against Evert and stayed more patiently at the baseline.
Feb 13th, 2016 03:32 PM
LightWarrior
Re: Chris Evert Thread

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Originally Posted by laschutz View Post
whatever she lost in power on her groundstrokes, she made up (in evert's own words) for it in speed around the court... don't know about that...evert in 80 and 81 was pretty speedy and it was her anticipation and footwork that was unmatched...


i think this "lessening" of power in her groundstrokes was mainly in 82 and 83.. when she was her lightest.. watching matches in 82 and 83 you could see opponents were able to attack her more and with the other baseliners she was quite having to "counter punch".. course she still won against everyone but martina in 83 and the rare loss to jaeger in early 82 (but never again after the 82 french) and others, but you CAN see that the lighter weight did NOT help her out i don't think..thankfully she did a 180 degree turn and she "bulked up for her" with the weights and gained lean muscle, and switched to the graphite... starting in 84 to the end of her career.. NO ONE could say evert wasn't hitting the ball harder then she ever did...
I think it had more to do with the fact that a lot of players switched to a graphite racquet earlier. Navratilova switched in 1982. Evert waited till 1984...
Feb 13th, 2016 03:11 PM
JakeMan90-93
Re: Chris Evert Thread

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Originally Posted by btthegreat View Post
commentators used to suggest that the way to beat her was to attack the net. Problem was players fell regardless. There is no statistical basis to see her a more vulnerable to net-rushers. Only one of the above mentioned great net chargers she played against has a winning record over her.
I agree, I think Chris herself said that she preferred to play a net-rusher to a baseliner. Probably because perhaps her greatest strength was her precision, I recall reading someone having hit with her fairly recently, writing that her placement and depth of shot were uncanny. Anyway that kind of placement and precision probably made hitting passing shots and lobs for winners for an hour more appealing than grinding it out at the baseline for two hours.
Feb 13th, 2016 02:45 PM
btthegreat
Re: Chris Evert Thread

commentators used to suggest that the way to beat her was to attack the net. Problem was players fell regardless. There is no statistical basis to see her a more vulnerable to net-rushers. Only one of the above mentioned great net chargers she played against has a winning record over her.
Feb 13th, 2016 08:52 AM
Sam L
Re: Chris Evert Thread

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Wow! That's how tennis was meant to be played. Evert's passing shots are by far the most deadly the game has ever known. I am amazed by the precision. Especially the two-hander. Great play by Wade. Court looked overwhelmed by Chrissie. Watching Evonne is like watching a master artist paint.
Yeah I love those passing shots. The concentration it would've required to do that with wood racquets.

Evonne's movement is really something else. She's not balletic or dramatic like Lenglen, hers was an easy grace that one can't buy. It's just such a core part of her movement and what made her great.

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Had the pleasure of running into Chris during the Open a few times this year. She was exceptionally sweet.
Made a gay man very happy indeed!
Aw nice picture, I'm so jealous.
Feb 11th, 2016 02:46 AM
btthegreat
Re: Chris Evert Thread

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Spot on. She did all of what you have written on surfaces that were, for the most part, non-friendly.

Watching some of the old matches on carpet between Chris and Evonne Goolagong is a huge delight. The carpet put a premium on power and attack. As a result Chris volleys more on carpet in the late 70s more than any other era IMO.
You are right that she attacked the net more on carpet, but she became an absolute 'all-courter' when she played Evonne. I am not sure why, but something in Evonne's game or presence made Evert play far more boldly and imaginatively, than when she played King or Court or Wade.
Feb 9th, 2016 09:50 PM
laschutz
Re: Chris Evert Thread

whatever she lost in power on her groundstrokes, she made up (in evert's own words) for it in speed around the court... don't know about that...evert in 80 and 81 was pretty speedy and it was her anticipation and footwork that was unmatched...


i think this "lessening" of power in her groundstrokes was mainly in 82 and 83.. when she was her lightest.. watching matches in 82 and 83 you could see opponents were able to attack her more and with the other baseliners she was quite having to "counter punch".. course she still won against everyone but martina in 83 and the rare loss to jaeger in early 82 (but never again after the 82 french) and others, but you CAN see that the lighter weight did NOT help her out i don't think..thankfully she did a 180 degree turn and she "bulked up for her" with the weights and gained lean muscle, and switched to the graphite... starting in 84 to the end of her career.. NO ONE could say evert wasn't hitting the ball harder then she ever did...
Feb 9th, 2016 07:38 PM
JakeMan90-93
Re: Chris Evert Thread

True that, Preacherfan, and I think that for as much as Chrissie has made snide remarks about her weight gain in the mid to late '70s, I'm pretty sure that extra weight allowed her to wallop her shots that much harder. Especially when you consider the fact that in the early '80s after she lost weight (pre-graphite) BJK talked about how her shots were not as hard as they used to be. I think that much in the same way that Bartoli always stayed a bit heavier than she would've liked to add some oomph to her groundies, the extra weight did much the same thing back in the day for Chrissie, especially before the advent of graphite.
Feb 9th, 2016 01:32 PM
preacherfan
Re: Chris Evert Thread

It's interesting to read about how 70s players talked about Evert's power. I remember reading a quote by Kerry Reid, who was known for strong groundstrokes. She commented about how Evert had started hitting the ball even harder while she was still a teen and no one could match her. In this day of 6 ft tall baseliners and high tech rackets, we think of Evert as all consistency/no power. But in the 70s, no one could match what she did from the baseline.
Feb 8th, 2016 03:34 PM
Rollo
Re: Chris Evert Thread

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No great in our sport was ever so dependent on returns, passes and lobs for her success as Evert. When she first arrived, 3 of four majors was played on fast grass, and throughout her years, indoor carpet was the most popular surface for tournaments in Europe and the States. Serve and volley, chip and charge were the dominant tactics and had been for two generations. The last number one to play baseline was Connolly in the early 1950s.

As a newbie she passed and beat a prime Court, King, Wade, Goolagong, Melville, and Casals. Mid career she passed and beat Turnbull, Navratilova, Mandlikova, Sukova, Shriver, Kohde Kilch Sukova, Jordan and Garrison.

My point is she had to do this against great and very fine net rushers round after round after round in tournament after tournament. She did not win a lot of points with her big serve. She did not charge forth on either serves or returns and only occasionally took the net away in rallies. She owes a huge percentage of her points through her 19 year career, to tactics and shots employed against someone coming to or standing at the net.

Yet it is Evert with the astonishing consistency records of her era. She has that 90% win/loss record on the pro tour and 88% win loss at majors.

Despite all those varied, agile accomplished, versatile and powerful net rushers attacking her serve, from 1971 through 1989, this clay court specialist reached the semifinals or better in 26 of 27 attempts in a major played on grass and 15 finals
Spot on. She did all of what you have written on surfaces that were, for the most part, non-friendly.

Watching some of the old matches on carpet between Chris and Evonne Goolagong is a huge delight. The carpet put a premium on power and attack. As a result Chris volleys more on carpet in the late 70s more than any other era IMO.
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