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Nov 24th, 2012 08:55 PM
AdeyC
Re: barker vs evert and austin question....

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Originally Posted by Sumarokov-Elston View Post
I agree, I don't think this was shown in the UK, a country which thinks that tennis began when Queen's Club began and ended when Wimbledon ended! I was not even aware that Britain had reached the final of the Federation Cup (which, at that time, was considered very inferior to the far more classy Whiteman Cup!).
But gotta love Sue's forehands, overheads and good racket preparation!
I dont think it was - these YouTube clips are the first time I've ever seen it.
Oct 10th, 2011 10:22 PM
Kathy Horvath
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Im loving Sue's all round game on quite a slow surface. Not frightened of coming to the net either. She is definitely limited on the backhand but the overheads and forehands are quite wonderful! She was a stylish player. Because of racket technology and obviously different training methods - most players do not have style. In the women's current top 10 - Kvitova has some promise to develop a stylish game but stylish players are few and far between.
Oct 8th, 2011 08:26 PM
AdeyC
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Have the UK been near the Fed Cup final since? I dont think so!
I think a QF in 1990 was the best we've done since.
Oct 8th, 2011 12:10 AM
Sumarokov-Elston
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Chris played very well in that Fed Cup match against Sue. Sometimes Chris upped her game when playing for her country. Sue didnt seem to play badly but the scoreline looks dreadful! Still liking Sue's play though - bearing in mind both are playing with wood - crunching the ball a lot. Great to see these matches - as at the time I dont think this was shown on UK tv! Have the UK been near the Fed Cup final since? I dont think so!
I agree, I don't think this was shown in the UK, a country which thinks that tennis began when Queen's Club began and ended when Wimbledon ended! I was not even aware that Britain had reached the final of the Federation Cup (which, at that time, was considered very inferior to the far more classy Whiteman Cup!). Whereas I did know that the UK reached the final of the Davis Cup, where they lost to the USA (1979?). I agree that Sue showed some nice tennis, while the score looks dreadful. I can imagine Chris having a good sn-igger when she heard the surface would be green clay, while the fact that Sue had once dared to beat her (in 1979, when she was basically losing to anyone capable of holding a racket) meant that the Ice Maiden was definitely going to do her outmost to humiliate this "inferior British model" of C. M. Evert...

But gotta love Sue's forehands, overheads and good racket preparation!
Oct 7th, 2011 10:09 PM
Kathy Horvath
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Chris played very well in that Fed Cup match against Sue. Sometimes Chris upped her game when playing for her country. Sue didnt seem to play badly but the scoreline looks dreadful! Still liking Sue's play though - bearing in mind both are playing with wood - crunching the ball a lot. Great to see these matches - as at the time I dont think this was shown on UK tv! Have the UK been near the Fed Cup final since? I dont think so!
Oct 6th, 2011 07:36 PM
Sumarokov-Elston
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I think this clip actually does give some weight & credence to Ms HORVATH's claim of Steffi Grafism in the game of Sue Barker. That is some forehand...and plenty of running around the backhand to deliver it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwDgx14Ca28
Yes, that was Sue Barker's trademark shot alright. I enjoyed the match, but Chris is looking all skin and bone! I wonder if there was some reason for her disastrous (by her standards) second half of 1981, marriage problems or something? She was thin enough as it was at Wimbledon, but here she is painfully thin. And when she went to collect the trophy with her hair down, I could have sworn it was Martina Navratilova! The hair looks so similar. I can imagine the remarks they used to get if they ever went out together around that time: "Look at those pair of dykes with the matching haircuts"!
Oct 6th, 2011 05:40 PM
daze11
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I think this clip actually does give some weight & credence to Ms HORVATH's claim of Steffi Grafism in the game of Sue Barker. That is some forehand...and plenty of running around the backhand to deliver it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwDgx14Ca28
Oct 2nd, 2011 10:46 PM
AdeyC
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I cant recall Sara Gomer doing anything significant - I think she may have reached Wimbeldon 3rd round once.
She won a tourney in Auckland (last British woman to win one) and should have reached Wimbly 3R (had match points against Shriver), but did make 3R of US Open.
Oct 2nd, 2011 08:17 PM
Kathy Horvath
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I think that was the fashion in the 1980s. Do you remember Bonnie Gadusek - now that was a poodle perm! I always thought Chris looked ok because she was quite stoical on court and had a bit of a ruthless air about her!

I cant recall Sara Gomer doing anything significant - I think she may have reached Wimbeldon 3rd round once.

Barker's career was over really by the end of 1982.
Oct 2nd, 2011 05:57 PM
Sumarokov-Elston
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I 100% agree with you - hence the 'but I know what you're getting at'.

Baltacha is the best British No 1 we've had since Sarah Gomer
Would that be the same Sara Gomer who only managed to win one game on her best surface (grass) against notoriously slow starter Chris Evert at Wimbledon in 1989, when Evert was completely over the hill, almost did not enter because of injury and had played about two tournaments that year?

Baltacha is like that other East European import - Alex Bogdanovic. The minute they reach our shores they get the "British disease" (mostly because they get everything handed to them on a plate for very little input, along with completely overblown BBC and other coverage of their actually very insignificant "careers").

But back to the main topic, and I have to say I am glad Barker did not make it through to 1983. I was watching the finals of the 1983 Mixed Doubles World Championships, featuring Chris Evert and Andrea Jaegar with two of the most frightening and uncomplementary "poodle perms" I have ever seen. The thought of the woman often unkindly called "the poor man's Chris Evert" sporting something similar is almost too frightening to ponder.
Oct 2nd, 2011 08:17 AM
AdeyC
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I know Baltacha beat Schiavone but Bally isnt really in the same class as Barker. Bally talks a good game but she doesnt execute. She is a good top 65 player but hasnt got the weapons to get beyond second rounds in GS. Barker had weapons. We havent had a GB player for so long to get into 3rd and 4th Rounds at GS tournaments. This may well change with Watson and Robson (who has just beaten two good players to reach the 1st round in China).
I 100% agree with you - hence the 'but I know what you're getting at'.

Baltacha is the best British No 1 we've had since Sarah Gomer
Oct 1st, 2011 09:27 PM
Kathy Horvath
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Recently on YouTube someone has fortunately posted the 1976 French Open semi, Ruzici v Barker and also the Wimbeldon semi Barker v Stove. In both, particuarly the Ruzici match, you can see the forehand. Raw talent I think.

I know Baltacha beat Schiavone but Bally isnt really in the same class as Barker. Bally talks a good game but she doesnt execute. She is a good top 65 player but hasnt got the weapons to get beyond second rounds in GS. Barker had weapons. We havent had a GB player for so long to get into 3rd and 4th Rounds at GS tournaments. This may well change with Watson and Robson (who has just beaten two good players to reach the 1st round in China).
Oct 1st, 2011 07:15 PM
AdeyC
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We would very much like a GB woman to beat GS champs today!!
Elena Baltacha beat Schiavone last year - but I know what you're getting at

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Similarly in that same year (1981)she almost had Martina not once... but twice.... on grass! The first time in Surbiton and the second at Eastbourne. Martina had won at least two Wimbeldons by then. Sue was overwhelmed by expectation - and I agree she had some major disasters at Wimbeldon.
Another of those disasters being losing to Betsy Nagelsen in the 3rd round of Wimbly, when the prize of a 4th round match would have been against........Martina. Would have been the third meeting in four weeks.
Sep 30th, 2011 03:22 AM
DennisFitz
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I think we are seriously underestimating Sue! Take 1981 - she beat twice US Open champ Tracy Austin - something Martina could not do a few weeks earlier at the US Open (heartbreak for Martina there). Similarly in that same year (1981)she almost had Martina not once... but twice.... on grass! The first time in Surbiton and the second at Eastbourne. Martina had won at least two Wimbeldons by then. Sue was overwhelmed by expectation - and I agree she had some major disasters at Wimbeldon. She deserved a better career but didnt quite get there. Nevertheless I believe on her day with her forehand firing - Chris, Martina and Tracy all gave her respect. She beat all three of them - in fact she also has wins over Mrs Cawley and Billie-Jean! All of them grand slam champs!!We would very much like a GB woman to beat GS champs today!!
I liked Sue, but.....

Not so sure about the underestimating her. She had a fine win over Austin, in the QF at Brighton. But not quite the same as a US Open final. Martina did thrash Tracy indoors a few weeks after the US Open, and before Sue's win.

Sue did have some near wins. But close only counts in horseshoes, not tennis.

She had a fine career, with wins over many top players. Pity she didn't fare better in major events. Or have a more consistent career. Although she's a French champ, I think her best results came on carpet. (Hence her decent H2H vs Austin). Her hit or miss game could be lethal when she was on.
Sep 26th, 2011 10:16 PM
Kathy Horvath
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[QUOTE=Sumarokov-Elston;20279560]Well done, Kathy, for remembering the year and the place! You have so many achievements and left so many marks on the game, that you could be forgiven for mixing that match up with all your other triumphs. Can you remind us of some of the others again?!?

I think snapping Ms Navratilova's 84 match winning streak is some achievement. It allowed Chris to crush Mima (again). Besides I owned Rinaldi-Stunkel who everyone wanted... including some of the more butch women!
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