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Nov 16th, 2012 10:08 PM
Tag
Re: Peak Ivanovic vs. Peak Sharapova

the only things ivanovic has peaked at are tears and trauma

she certainly hasn't peaked at tennis
Nov 16th, 2012 09:13 PM
Material World
Re: Peak Ivanovic vs. Peak Sharapova

Masha. Not even competitive.
Nov 16th, 2012 08:03 PM
forehand27
Re: Peak Ivanovic vs. Peak Sharapova

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Originally Posted by NashaP View Post
2012 claypova would definitely beat 2008 clayanovic
I actually agree with this, my point is clay in the only surface you could even argue between the two short of being insane. Outside of being one of the better clay courters of a super weak clay era, Ana was NEVER an elite contender even at her peak . Talk about Ana possibly winning Wimbledon or the U.S Open at her 06-08 peak and everyone laughs outloud.
Nov 16th, 2012 06:52 PM
NashaP
Re: Peak Ivanovic vs. Peak Sharapova

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Originally Posted by forehand27 View Post
The only surface this is an interesting topic is clay, so the title should be changed to on clay, as that is the only surface worth debating. On any other surface it is Maria in straight sets every single time, with the best Ana managing being the odd 7-5 or 7-6 set, and is pure trolling to even bring up as a serious attempt of a topic.
2012 claypova would definitely beat 2008 clayanovic
Nov 16th, 2012 06:49 PM
forehand27
Re: Peak Ivanovic vs. Peak Sharapova

The only surface this is an interesting topic is clay, so the title should be changed to on clay, as that is the only surface worth debating. On any other surface it is Maria in straight sets every single time, with the best Ana managing being the odd 7-5 or 7-6 set, and is pure trolling to even bring up as a serious attempt of a topic.
Nov 15th, 2012 11:50 PM
dany.p
Re: Peak Ivanovic vs. Peak Sharapova

Peak Pierce beats everyone. Anything else is irrelevant.
Nov 15th, 2012 11:16 PM
Cajka
Re: Peak Ivanovic vs. Peak Sharapova

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Originally Posted by gc-spurs View Post
Did I read a post in this thread saying Ivanovic hasn't peaked yet???
It's incorrect to say that she hasn't peaked yet, but she never actually peaked because when she was on her best there was some room for improving, but instead of that she got worse. The same could be said for Maria because she got injured when she was at her best. And the same could be said for 99% of players because there are very few players who maximized their potential.
Nov 15th, 2012 11:09 PM
gc-spurs
Re: Peak Ivanovic vs. Peak Sharapova

Did I read a post in this thread saying Ivanovic hasn't peaked yet???
Nov 15th, 2012 10:48 PM
Cajka
Re: Peak Ivanovic vs. Peak Sharapova

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Originally Posted by Griffin. View Post
Yup. Plus Maria's best shot is her backhand crosscourt, which would drive Ivanovic nuts. Ivanovic is actually a pretty good junkballer, but Maria would just smother her from the baseline.

I actually still think this match would be close, but still NID.
If we're talking about their peaks, we wouldn't see junkballing or long rallies at all IMO (except for clay), they would both try to dictate the points after a big serve or after taking the ball early on return (mostly after second serves), whoever serves better - wins. And it should be Maria, her first serve was slightly better and second serve was significantly faster (if she doesn't make tons of dfs). Defense or junkballing wouldn't ba a huge factor at all (it would be a factor against the best counterpunchers in the world, but those two can't hurt each other with junkballing and defending if they're at their peaks)
Nov 15th, 2012 04:24 AM
Stonerpova
Re: Peak Ivanovic vs. Peak Sharapova

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Originally Posted by dsanders06 View Post
This is actually a misconception. Maria at her very best actually rarely hits MASSIVE (90mph+) shots in terms of pace.

What makes Peak Maria so brilliant is that she gets such fantastic length on her shots and can land every ball within centimetres of the baseline - the type of control that Peak Ivanovic could only dream of getting with her forehand (even if she'd occasionally hit a pacier shot than Peak Maria could, her average rally ball would be far more innocuous and land much shorter than Peak Maria's rally ball). And that's before you even consider that Peak Ivanovic would be hitting more shots out than Peak Maria would.
Yup. Plus Maria's best shot is her backhand crosscourt, which would drive Ivanovic nuts. Ivanovic is actually a pretty good junkballer, but Maria would just smother her from the baseline.

I actually still think this match would be close, but still NID.
Nov 15th, 2012 04:12 AM
Monzanator
Re: Peak Ivanovic vs. Peak Sharapova

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Originally Posted by Atlicznie View Post
Peak Anci would easily trash that Shrieking Razor even playing her best.
Two things that separates these two: Serve and Forehand.
Peak Ana hits winners from her forehand side left and right and a serve as a weapon plays a major part.
Didn't she hit like 125 mp/h serve in 2008?
Whereas Peak Martha has her ups and down. I've never seen her playing a whole match at her best without a short slump moment, I mean you never know if she's gonna hit an ace or a df. She's too inconsistent.
You've never seen Peak Sharapova play then But it figures, Azarenka bandwagoners pressed to underline how bad Sharapova is in every single thread. I suspect even Peak Whitehead whould trash Peak Sharapova according to you
Nov 14th, 2012 04:48 PM
madmax
Re: Peak Ivanovic vs. Peak Sharapova

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Originally Posted by Dominic View Post
So does every other player, including Ana. The real misconception is that Ana's forehand is on average more powerful than Maria's, it's very comparable.

And yes Maria hits deeper and with better angle.

It's like peple are forgetting that Maria's biggest shot is her lethal CC forehand, which she can pummel as hard as anyone in the game...the only reason why folks talk about her BH more is because it is more reliable shot and her FH does have a tendency of breaking down (especially when being rushed on fast surfaces).
Nov 14th, 2012 04:31 PM
Dominic
Re: Peak Ivanovic vs. Peak Sharapova

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Originally Posted by dsanders06 View Post
This is actually a misconception. Maria at her very best actually rarely hits MASSIVE (90mph+) shots in terms of pace.
So does every other player, including Ana. The real misconception is that Ana's forehand is on average more powerful than Maria's, it's very comparable.

And yes Maria hits deeper and with better angle.
Nov 14th, 2012 04:25 PM
Dominic
Re: Peak Ivanovic vs. Peak Sharapova

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Originally Posted by Atlicznie View Post
Peak Anci would easily trash that Shrieking Razor even playing her best.
Two things that separates these two: Serve and Forehand.
Peak Ana hits winners from her forehand side left and right and a serve as a weapon plays a major part.
Didn't she hit like 125 mp/h serve in 2008?
I realize you're a stupid troll who doesn't really believe what he's saying but peak Maria also hits winners from her forehand left and right AND from her backhand, you do the math

And peak Ana'a serve is not not better than Maria's by any stretch of the imagination, in fact her second serve is weaker.
Nov 14th, 2012 02:54 PM
dsanders06
Re: Peak Ivanovic vs. Peak Sharapova

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Originally Posted by Dominic View Post
Not sure I agree with that, peak Maria's forehand has nothing to envy from anyone's, including power. She can hit it in the high 80's, low 90's (mph)
This is actually a misconception. Maria at her very best actually rarely hits MASSIVE (90mph+) shots in terms of pace.

What makes Peak Maria so brilliant is that she gets such fantastic length on her shots and can land every ball within centimetres of the baseline - the type of control that Peak Ivanovic could only dream of getting with her forehand (even if she'd occasionally hit a pacier shot than Peak Maria could, her average rally ball would be far more innocuous and land much shorter than Peak Maria's rally ball). And that's before you even consider that Peak Ivanovic would be hitting more shots out than Peak Maria would.
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