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Nov 22nd, 2012 12:43 AM
ivanban
Re: Woman in Ireland dies of septicaemia after being denied an abortion

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Originally Posted by moodin0931 View Post
I never said that but I do respect people who are still true to their beliefs despite all the hate they get. But yes if the baby is dying and the woman's life is in risk she should be able to get an abortion. However, I don't think that that is really an abortion.
That would seem kinda OK if the poor woman who died actually had the same belief as the ones who didn't let her have the abortion
Nov 21st, 2012 10:18 PM
suckulentaces96
Re: Woman in Ireland dies of septicaemia after being denied an abortion

People these days
Nov 21st, 2012 10:12 PM
Flavia P.
Re: Woman in Ireland dies of septicaemia after being denied an abortion

But that is an abortion. It is an abortion, but it's a form of abortion people find acceptable so they don't consider it a "real" abortion or connect it to "irresponsible" abortions. Which in itself is nothing more than moral police gone mad. Morality and science very often do not mix.
Nov 21st, 2012 10:02 PM
suckulentaces96
Re: Woman in Ireland dies of septicaemia after being denied an abortion

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I dont understand why some people are so heartless. But if you think a woman with a dying foetus cant get an abortion to save her life, and that she should die too, hey, I suppose thats just your twisted opinion.
I never said that but I do respect people who are still true to their beliefs despite all the hate they get. But yes if the baby is dying and the woman's life is in risk she should be able to get an abortion. However, I don't think that that is really an abortion.
Nov 21st, 2012 10:00 PM
Ferg
Re: Woman in Ireland dies of septicaemia after being denied an abortion

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I dont understand why this makes people sick
I dont understand why some people are so heartless. But if you think a woman with a dying foetus cant get an abortion to save her life, and that she should die too, hey, I suppose thats just your twisted opinion.
Nov 21st, 2012 09:54 PM
suckulentaces96
Re: Woman in Ireland dies of septicaemia after being denied an abortion

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On the other hand, the union or whatever of Irish bishops has come out and said we should 'cherish' our abortion laws and said there should be no abortion any under circumstance... Christ they make me sick. The church is unpopular enough in this country at the moment, their stupidity in coming out with that is astounding.
I dont understand why this makes people sick
Nov 21st, 2012 09:48 PM
Ferg
Re: Woman in Ireland dies of septicaemia after being denied an abortion

On the other hand, the union or whatever of Irish bishops has come out and said we should 'cherish' our abortion laws and said there should be no abortion any under circumstance... Christ they make me sick. The church is unpopular enough in this country at the moment, their stupidity in coming out with that is astounding.
Nov 21st, 2012 08:50 PM
kwilliams
Re: Woman in Ireland dies of septicaemia after being denied an abortion

Looks like it was another really good turnout at the protest tonight. I'm glad the public discourse is continuing though some people are still trying to muddy the waters. There have been demonstrations of some sort in different towns and cities all around the country for 8 days straight now, I believe.

There have also been demonstrations of varying sizes outside Irish embassies in London, NYC, Berlin, Vienna, Stockholm, Edinburgh and other major cities.

If you're interested in this issue, please like this fb page:

http://www.facebook.com/SavitasLaws

More importantly, please sign this petition!

https://www.change.org/petitions/sup...hts-in-ireland
Nov 18th, 2012 09:07 PM
hablo
Re: Woman in Ireland dies of septicaemia after being denied an abortion

Ok. So please address the part I bolded in your last post?
Nov 18th, 2012 09:04 PM
KournikovaFan91
Re: Woman in Ireland dies of septicaemia after being denied an abortion

No men's pills are fine but its also a woman's responsibility contraception, like to say men can choose to wear a condom a woman can also choose to take the pill/implant.
Nov 18th, 2012 08:35 PM
hablo
Re: Woman in Ireland dies of septicaemia after being denied an abortion

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Originally Posted by KournikovaFan91 View Post
And women don't have a say to take the pill or the implant which unlike the pill doesn't require you to take it daily, its just inside you non-stop.

I actually agree with abortions in rape cases and have even said I reckon they should probably be legalised for the first trimester on demand however to make every woman who has an abortion into some kind of helpless victim is patronising and false.

Of course your post has just summed up the feminist argument that somehow men who don't manage contraception are looked at negatively but women who don't are viewed as unfortunate victims.

Also by feminist I'm obviously not referring to lipstick feminism just Germaine Greer and that archaic type
Where are you getting this stuff from? Give me an example of this.

Last time I checked it's the women who get pregnant who have to explain themselves. ALL THE TIME. Who's making every woman who has an abortion into some kind of helpless victim? You have a chip on your shoulder here.

And I don't understand the first sentence of your post. Please rephrase it. You don't like the idea of men soon being able to use contraception (the pill)??
Nov 18th, 2012 08:24 PM
KournikovaFan91
Re: Woman in Ireland dies of septicaemia after being denied an abortion

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Once again, a man has a say: he can choose to wear a condom, not have sex or have a visectomy (if he really does not want children). And I read recently that a pill was being made for men (contraceptive). Thank goodness.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/48689501...-control-pill/
And women don't have a say to take the pill or the implant which unlike the pill doesn't require you to take it daily, its just inside you non-stop.

I actually agree with abortions in rape cases and have even said I reckon they should probably be legalised for the first trimester on demand however to make every woman who has an abortion into some kind of helpless victim is patronising and false.

Of course your post has just summed up the feminist argument that somehow men who don't manage contraception are looked at negatively but women who don't are viewed as unfortunate victims.

Also by feminist I'm obviously not referring to lipstick feminism just Germaine Greer and that archaic type
Nov 18th, 2012 08:20 PM
Rocketta
Re: Woman in Ireland dies of septicaemia after being denied an abortion

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Originally Posted by KournikovaFan91 View Post
I was trying to address why its only a woman's issue when men are required to make the baby for example what if a scenario emerged with a woman wanting an abortion and the father not wanting one or vice versa. Ok the woman is the vessel that carries the baby but I don't think this is only something effects women yet it is presented in that manner.
Unfortunately, for men they only play a part in conception but no part in the development and birth of a baby. That is 100% due to the mom and her body. The man has a part in the development and raising of the child if he wants but he still usually has a choice. So a woman can't get pregnant without a man's sperm but that's the beginning and end of what a woman needs from the man. So, seeing as it's her body and her body only whether she wants her body to carry a child or not is only up to her. After a child is born they may need a father but that is not forced on men. All that is forced on them is to pay money for me it's no different than forcing them to pay taxes.... no one likes it but we do it.
Nov 18th, 2012 08:18 PM
hablo
Re: Woman in Ireland dies of septicaemia after being denied an abortion

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Originally Posted by KournikovaFan91 View Post
I was trying to address why its only a woman's issue when men are required to make the baby for example what if a scenario emerged with a woman wanting an abortion and the father not wanting one or vice versa. Ok the woman is the vessel that carries the baby but I don't think this is only something effects women yet it is presented in that manner.
Are you a guy? I think you may have a different viewpoint if you were in a situation where you wanted an abortion and everyone around was opposed to it (the father, your family or whomever). Why should you be forced to have a baby you do not want for whatever reason?

Read Rocketta's posts. I think she articulates very well what pregnancy is like and how it affects women.

Once again, a man has a say: he can choose to wear a condom, not have sex or have a visectomy (if he really does not want children). And I read recently that a pill was being made for men (contraceptive). Thank goodness.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/48689501...-control-pill/
Nov 18th, 2012 08:11 PM
Rocketta
Re: Woman in Ireland dies of septicaemia after being denied an abortion

BTW, is there a concensus what the science community calles a fetus or when life begins?
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