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Nov 18th, 2012 01:27 AM
CloudAtlas
Re: Peak Wozniacki v. Peak Zvonereva

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Originally Posted by dsanders06 View Post
And Peakniacki beat Peakareva in the Montreal, Beijing, YEC matches in 2010. People trying to claim their matches against eachother when they were peaking as definitive proof eitherway isn't going to work: they generally split the honours in their matches at the time (oh God, those dark days when Wozniacki-Zvonareva was the best rivalry on the WTA such was the game's dire state ).

With that said, their 2010-11 matches certainly give the lie to the claim that either Wozniacki or Zvonareva severely underachieved and should've won Slams: not only were they regularly beaten comfortably whenever they played one of the genuine elite players, they didn't even have their number of their fellow non-Grand Slam champ. Whereas other "best players to never win Slams" like Jankovic or Safina reliably beat all the non-Slam champions when they were at their respective peaks.

Who were these 'genuinely elite' players who 'regularly' and 'comfortably' beat Woz during her peak? The only players who can be afforded that stature during the period of relevance are the Williams and Clijsters who collectively played a grand total of 1 match against Woz during her peak of 2nd half of 2010/1st half of 2011. And that was a 3 set battle against Clijsters in the YEC final. Far from 'comfortable' and 'regular'

Zvonareva went one better by beating 'elite' Clijsters twice in 2010 including once en route to a Slam final. And she played the Williams once in said period and that was a Wimbledon final against Serena, so she can be easily forgiven for not scoring that particular victory.

And please, Safina and Jankovic had their demons too. Safina couldn't beat Slamless Lena D during her so-called peak to save her career and Jankovic's peak lasted, what, 5 weeks? In the first half of 2008, arguably part of her peak, she had losses to Cibulkova, Zvonareva and her arch nemesis Tanasugarn. And she even lost to Zvonareva at the YEC. Need I even mention Safina's efforts at the same event?
Nov 18th, 2012 01:14 AM
Novichok
Re: Peak Wozniacki v. Peak Zvonereva

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Originally Posted by forehand27 View Post
So a player would rather two year end #1s and 0 slams than 4 slams and the Career Slam?
I didn't say that. Can you read?

I think a player would rather two year end #1s and 0 slams over 4 slams and the Career Slam and no right leg.
Nov 18th, 2012 01:10 AM
forehand27
Re: Peak Wozniacki v. Peak Zvonereva

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Originally Posted by Novichok View Post
No she wouldn't.
So a player would rather two year end #1s and 0 slams than 4 slams and the Career Slam?
Nov 18th, 2012 12:58 AM
pav
Re: Peak Wozniacki v. Peak Zvonereva

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Originally Posted by effedcamel View Post
and this is relevant how?
Because Drumsander never misses a chance to get stuck into these two and always slips in "elite players" into his diatribes, often going on about folding in big finals(Bepa) but forgetting about abysmal showings sometimes by some of his so called "elite" list. I have never denied better players, but get sick of this "dark days when woz and zvon were 1&2 " sort of shit. It is fair enough not to like a player, but give any of the top twenty or so a bit of credit for their ability,I have read some say zvon is a club level player at best for example, just bloody stupid,and when a theit favs get a bit of a beating, well they werte just off their game that day!Seem to want it both ways.
Nov 18th, 2012 12:46 AM
Novichok
Re: Peak Wozniacki v. Peak Zvonereva

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Originally Posted by forehand27 View Post
Vera and Caro would give their her right leg to have Sharapova's career.
No she wouldn't.
Nov 18th, 2012 12:02 AM
effedcamel
Re: Peak Wozniacki v. Peak Zvonereva

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Not so dire as shara losing a slam final by way of a bagel to virgin slam winner vika,and also in another of her slam final losses, if those same results had happened to caro or bepa there would have been three times the criticism,just trendy to get stuck into some and not others.
and this is relevant how?
Nov 17th, 2012 10:19 PM
forehand27
Re: Peak Wozniacki v. Peak Zvonereva

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Originally Posted by pav View Post
Not so dire as shara losing a slam final by way of a bagel to virgin slam winner vika,and also in another of her slam final losses, if those same results had happened to caro or bepa there would have been three times the criticism,just trendy to get stuck into some and not others.
Vera and Caro would give their right leg to have Sharapova's career.
Nov 17th, 2012 10:00 PM
Mixal
Re: Peak Wozniacki v. Peak Zvonereva

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Originally Posted by dsanders06 View Post
And Peakniacki beat Peakareva in the Montreal, Beijing, YEC matches in 2010. People trying to claim their matches against eachother when they were peaking as definitive proof eitherway isn't going to work: they generally split the honours in their matches at the time (oh God, those dark days when Wozniacki-Zvonareva was the best rivalry on the WTA such was the game's dire state ).

With that said, their 2010-11 matches certainly give the lie to the claim that either Wozniacki or Zvonareva severely underachieved and should've won Slams: not only were they regularly beaten comfortably whenever they played one of the genuine elite players, they didn't even have their number of their fellow non-Grand Slam champ. Whereas other "best players to never win Slams" like Jankovic or Safina reliably beat all the non-Slam champions when they were at their respective peaks.
Nov 17th, 2012 04:00 AM
jaredlikesbieber
Re: Peak Wozniacki v. Peak Zvonereva

zvonareva for sure
Nov 17th, 2012 03:48 AM
pav
Re: Peak Wozniacki v. Peak Zvonereva

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Originally Posted by dsanders06 View Post
And Peakniacki beat Peakareva in the Montreal, Beijing, YEC matches in 2010. People trying to claim their matches against eachother when they were peaking as definitive proof eitherway isn't going to work: they generally split the honours in their matches at the time (oh God, those dark days when Wozniacki-Zvonareva was the best rivalry on the WTA such was the game's dire state ).

With that said, their 2010-11 matches certainly give the lie to the claim that either Wozniacki or Zvonareva severely underachieved and should've won Slams: not only were they regularly beaten comfortably whenever they played one of the genuine elite players, they didn't even have their number of their fellow non-Grand Slam champ. Whereas other "best players to never win Slams" like Jankovic or Safina reliably beat all the non-Slam champions when they were at their respective peaks.
Not so dire as shara losing a slam final by way of a bagel to virgin slam winner vika,and also in another of her slam final losses, if those same results had happened to caro or bepa there would have been three times the criticism,just trendy to get stuck into some and not others.
Nov 17th, 2012 01:54 AM
Matt01
Re: Peak Wozniacki v. Peak Zvonereva

What exactly does playing dropshots have to do with getting players injured?
Nov 17th, 2012 01:32 AM
madmax
Re: Peak Wozniacki v. Peak Zvonereva

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Originally Posted by Patrick345 View Post
Oh right that was the match, where Wozniacki sprained her ankle chasing down a Zvonareva dropshot. I guess if Wozniacki had the technical ability to play a dropshot she could injure players, too. Much less work than grinding for three hours.
Nov 17th, 2012 12:39 AM
danieln1
Re: Peak Wozniacki v. Peak Zvonereva

Where is bepamaria analisys on this?
Nov 17th, 2012 12:36 AM
dsanders06
Re: Peak Wozniacki v. Peak Zvonereva

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Originally Posted by Serena_Williams_ View Post
Didnt Zvonareva already beat Peakniacki on Doha 2011?
And Peakniacki beat Peakareva in the Montreal, Beijing, YEC matches in 2010. People trying to claim their matches against eachother when they were peaking as definitive proof eitherway isn't going to work: they generally split the honours in their matches at the time (oh God, those dark days when Wozniacki-Zvonareva was the best rivalry on the WTA such was the game's dire state ).

With that said, their 2010-11 matches certainly give the lie to the claim that either Wozniacki or Zvonareva severely underachieved and should've won Slams: not only were they regularly beaten comfortably whenever they played one of the genuine elite players, they didn't even have their number of their fellow non-Grand Slam champ. Whereas other "best players to never win Slams" like Jankovic or Safina reliably beat all the non-Slam champions when they were at their respective peaks.
Nov 16th, 2012 11:44 PM
Patrick345
Re: Peak Wozniacki v. Peak Zvonereva

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Originally Posted by SunshineSlam View Post
The only way to really answer this question is to consult the facts.

Caro's peak: #1
The other girl's peak: #2

Welp. Guess that settles it then.



Yeah the other girl leads the H2H by one because Caro had to retire in one of the matches.
Oh right that was the match, where Wozniacki sprained her ankle chasing down a Zvonareva dropshot. I guess if Wozniacki had the technical ability to play a dropshot she could injure players, too. Much less work than grinding for three hours.
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