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Feb 26th, 2013 03:16 AM
Matt01
Re: Which is Serena Williams's best season so far? 2002 or 2012?

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Originally Posted by Deestruction View Post
Well 2012, she won 2 gold medals, 2 slams and a YEC.

While in 2002, yes the field that year was the toughest ive seen in a long time. No year can top 2002's field of draws. 2002 was also impressive as well.

50/50 on both achievement wise.

Oh my.
I'm sure I've posted it already 567578 times (maybe even in this thread) but the field of 2002 was not clearly the toughest "in a long while", because Hingis and Davenport were out with injury/illness for long periods that season. The only decent competition that year for the WS which was left was Capriati.
And no, it's not "50/50" achievement wise. Serena won 3 Slams in 2002, only 2 Slams in 2012 (and lost early at the other Slams) so 2002 was clearly a better year for her.
Feb 25th, 2013 11:35 PM
ZeroSumGame
Re: Which is Serena Williams's best season so far? 2002 or 2012?

2002 was just epic for the indomitable Ms Williams, it culminated in her scooping up the 2003 prestigious Laureus World Sports Awards where Serena Williams was named Sportswoman of the Year
Feb 25th, 2013 11:24 PM
Deestruction
Re: Which is Serena Williams's best season so far? 2002 or 2012?

Well 2012, she won 2 gold medals, 2 slams and a YEC.

While in 2002, yes the field that year was the toughest ive seen in a long time. No year can top 2002's field of draws. 2002 was also impressive as well.

50/50 on both achievement wise.
Feb 25th, 2013 09:04 PM
TennisPhan
Re: Which is Serena Williams's best season so far? 2002 or 2012?

I changed my mind.

After checking her stats and watching many highlights of her 2002 matches against the other greats of the last decade it's obvious that Serena of 2002-2003 was better than 2012 overall, because her movement and mentality was much better!

Serena record vs the best in 2002:

5-0 vs Capriati
4-0 vs Venus
3-0 vs Mauresmo
2-0 vs Hingis
2-0 vs Hantuchova
2-0 vs Myskina
2-1 vs Henin
1-0 vs Davenport
1-1 vs Clijsters


Serena record vs the best in 2012:

5-0 vs Azarenka
3-0 vs Sharapova
2-0 vs Radwanska
2-0 vs Stosur
1-0 vs Li
1-0 vs Kvitova
1-0 vs Errani
1-1 vs Kerber
1-1 vs Wozniacki
Nov 18th, 2012 02:11 AM
Tag
Re: Which is Serena Williams's best season so far? 2002 or 2012?

erm, 2002

this isn't even a question

all serve, movement limited serena versus all court, lightning fast serena...HMMMM, TRICKY

serena destroyed everyone that year

she even won matches on clay

it's a no contest
Nov 18th, 2012 02:03 AM
TennisPhan
Re: Which is Serena Williams's best season so far? 2002 or 2012?

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Originally Posted by Matt01 View Post
LOL...Davenport was injured in 2002 and only played a few tournaments.
Henin and Clijsters in 2002 were nowhere near the level Azarenka or Pova are in 2012 and Venus was always Serena's underling in Slam finals. In fact, one could argue that the competition in 2012 was stronger than it was in 2002 which is also why Serena didn't even get close to the #1 ranking in 2012 (unlike 2002).

Of course achievement-wise (unlike what RVD claims ), 2002 was a much better year for Serena since she won more Slams, was more dominant overall and was #1 for the most part of the year.
I've been watching more vids of 2002-2003 Serena and it's even harder now to decide which version of Serena is better.. There are 2 discussions going on in this thread.

1. Which season was better: 2002 or 2012?

2002:
- 3 slams
- Lost in Finals of YEC
- 8 tourneys won
- 56 wins 5 losses
- Won against: 5-0 Capriati, 4-0 Venus, 2-0 Mauresmo, 2-0 Hingis, 2-1 Henin, 1-1 Clijsters

2012:
- 2 slams
- 1 Olympic gold
- Won YEC
- 7 tourneys won
- 58 wins 4 losses
- Won against: 5-0 Azarenka, 3-0 Sharapova, 2-0 Radwanska, 1-0 Kvitova, 1-0 Li, 1-1 Kerber

It's REALLY CLOSE with these results, but I would pick 2002, because she got kicked out of AO 2012 and RG 2012 by much weaker players and in 2002 she didn't play AO at all. I think as an achievement a GS and Olympic Gold is equal. There is 1 extra round in a GS, but tougher oponents in Olympics from the start.

2. Which version of Serena is better 2002 or 2012 (peak)?

2002 pros:
- Faster / better footwork -> returns more balls
- Slightly stronger mentally (did not cry or smash rackets)

2012 pros:
- Improved serve
- Improved shot placement
- 10 more years of experience, more variety

This is so hard to decide, but I would have to pick 2012 Serena, because of the killer combination of her improved skills. It beats the 'faster/younger' Serena in my eyes.
Nov 16th, 2012 08:26 PM
RVD
Re: Which is Serena Williams's best season so far? 2002 or 2012?

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Simply because my arguments aren't delusions Matt.
With you it's always the same perfectionist requirements when you discuss Serena. Why is that?

Yes, some of my fellow Serena fans have in fact disagreed with me in this thread, and some have agreed with me as well. I read your posts. What's your point?
There is still no revelation expressed here from you Matt. You parroted what posters have already said.
And you didn't answer the question as to why you brought ONLY my name up when a few other posters shared in my argument.
So again, what point were you trying to make in bringing up my name Matt?
So is this your answer Matt?



So now asking you why you singled me out when others shared in my opinion is "irrelevant"?

Poor Matt has finally lost it, and can no lomger handle a simple question.
Nov 16th, 2012 12:45 PM
BuTtErFrEnA
Re: Which is Serena Williams's best season so far? 2002 or 2012?

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Originally Posted by Chrissie-fan View Post
Well, according to TF logic every past great benefited from a weak field. But the era of our fave is always much tougher than the previous or later one(s) so that it makes our fave look even better.
exactly
Nov 16th, 2012 12:24 PM
Chrissie-fan
Re: Which is Serena Williams's best season so far? 2002 or 2012?

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Originally Posted by Start da Game View Post
she just got shown her way out gradually by better players......davenport too benefited a little from the weak field but at least she scored some quality victories......
Well, according to TF logic every past great benefited from a weak field. But the era of our fave is always much tougher than the previous or later one(s) so that it makes our fave look even better.
Nov 15th, 2012 11:44 PM
RVD
Re: Which is Serena Williams's best season so far? 2002 or 2012?

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Originally Posted by Matt01 View Post
Why do YOU not check your personal delusional fandom first?
Even your fellow Serena fans disagree with you about 2012 being a better season for Serena, and the arguments I provided for my opinion you probably didn't even read. So instead of singing your old song about my "hatred" for Serena, why not use your brain for once and come up with some reasonable arguments for a change?
Simply because my arguments aren't delusions Matt.
With you it's always the same perfectionist requirements when you discuss Serena. Why is that?

Yes, some of my fellow Serena fans have in fact disagreed with me in this thread, and some have agreed with me as well. I read your posts. What's your point?
There is still no revelation expressed here from you Matt. You parrotted what posters have already said.
And you didn't answer the question as to why you brought ONLY my name up when a few other posters shared in my argument.
So again, what point were you trying to make in bringing up my name Matt?
Nov 15th, 2012 10:02 PM
forehand27
Re: Which is Serena Williams's best season so far? 2002 or 2012?

In no sense was Serena's 2012 better than 2002 except for the fact 2012 it was probably the best season ever by a 30 year old women, and the best season ever by a women who hadnt been able to play a relatively full season in 3 years, while 2002 it wasnt the best season ever in any sense except arguably sheer level of play or most dominance vs an actual real field (vs what Navratilova and Graf faced in their most dominant years which was crap on a bun).
Nov 15th, 2012 09:17 PM
Matt01
Re: Which is Serena Williams's best season so far? 2002 or 2012?

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Originally Posted by RVD View Post
Just your opinion alone doesn't make the argument convincing Matt. In fact, you've added nothing to the debate at all here. So why bring up my name as if you've stumbled upon some astounding revelation?
Just for once while discussing Serena...why not check your personal hatred at the door?

Why do YOU not check your personal delusional fandom first?
Even your fellow Serena fans disagree with you about 2012 being a better season for Serena, and the arguments I provided for my opinion you probably didn't even read. So instead of singing your old song about my "hatred" for Serena, why not use your brain for once and come up with some reasonable arguments for a change?
Nov 15th, 2012 08:42 PM
bandabou
Re: Which is Serena Williams's best season so far? 2002 or 2012?

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Originally Posted by doomsday View Post
3-6 is quite bad but only Miami really bothers me though, the others she had zero chance with the way she was playing and of course because of the opponent as well.
I see..okay, still feel that if Serena had done a better job at the Oz and Miami and RG specially, she'd be no.1
Nov 15th, 2012 08:39 PM
RVD
Re: Which is Serena Williams's best season so far? 2002 or 2012?

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Originally Posted by Matt01 View Post
LOL...Davenport was injured in 2002 and only played a few tournaments.
Henin and Clijsters in 2002 were nowhere near the level Azarenka or Pova are in 2012 and Venus was always Serena's underling in Slam finals. In fact, one could argue that the competition in 2012 was stronger than it was in 2002 which is also why Serena didn't even get close to the #1 ranking in 2012 (unlike 2002).

Of course achievement-wise (unlike what RVD claims ), 2002 was a much better year for Serena since she won more Slams, was more dominant overall and was #1 for the most part of the year.
Just your opinion alone doesn't make the argument convincing Matt. In fact, you've added nothing to the debate at all here. So why bring up my name as if you've stumbled upon some astounding revelation?
Just for once while discussing Serena...why not check your personal hatred at the door?
Nov 15th, 2012 08:15 PM
Start da Game
Re: Which is Serena Williams's best season so far? 2002 or 2012?

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Originally Posted by forehand27 View Post
Hingis wasnt running anything after 1997. 1998 and 1999 Davenport was the true number 1 both years (even if on the computer only in 1998). 2000 and 2001 Hingis was nowhere near best player.
she just got shown her way out gradually by better players......davenport too benefited a little from the weak field but at least she scored some quality victories......
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