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Sep 20th, 2015 03:25 PM
cynicole
Re: General discussion thread

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Great post Cynicole. All everyone of these players seem to care about is taking pics, being on FB, and rubbing shoulders with "celebrities".
What was with all the "I feel sorry for her that she didn't win the CYGS..." from other female tennis players? If that is a pervasive attitude on tour, then no wonder nobody else seem to be a consistent GS contender. Again, what is going to happen when a player like Serena (who btw, back in the day, was not considered to care very much for the tour) retires?

I shall never forget Larry Scott, if only for the mess he made of the WTA. But whats-her-name currently is coming pretty close with this mess of a USO promo that ended up with a lot of egg on people's faces (and super expensive tickets).

BTW, congrats to Nole!
Stacey Allaster would be responsible for the WTA stuff and Katrina Adams the USTA stuff, right? I could go look it up but I'm really not into the tour and only watch a fraction of the tennis I used to watch. I don't even know what the USO promo was.

Excluding the Tennis Channel which is a special tier cable offering where I live, there is not a lot of tennis on TV anymore and ESPN has almost complete ownership of the slams here (which is frustrating for on-air though glorious for online streaming...but seeking out the streams already requires active interest). Outside of slams, when are average people going to get hooked into tennis? And are they really going to be drawn to it the way ESPN covers it?

It used to be that between Wimbledon and the US Open, ESPN and the broadcast networks would show an ATP or a WTA final (maybe even the semis) on the weekends. But now that stuff lives on the Tennis Channel.

But then the matches we used to see then where different. There were different styles of play. There were names that we could follow. Serve and volleyers still existed. They still covered "personality" a bit, but it was mostly about the game. Or maybe they didn't have much choice to cover personality when private folks like Steffi Graf and Pete Sampras were on top.

The other day, my cousin randomly asked me about my interest in tennis -- how it started, who my favorite player overall is (obviously Justine), why, who else I liked, etc. I wonder what that narrative sounds like today, for someone getting into following the sport today.

Like, I wonder if the players nowadays are being advised to be this way or that with their personalities because that's how you get coverage and money. It's like the aesthetic is gone from the game played on the court, so they try to put it on the personalities instead. And how pervasive is that on the players since once they get into it, they can't really escape from it because social media is 24/7.

Imagine Andre Agassi today. He wasn't what the media made him out to be. I mean, he was a guy who listened to Kenny G and they had him in Canon Rebel X commercials with the Red Hot Chili Peppers!

I don't know if it's just because I'm getting older that I feel this way. Believe it or not, I'm actually actively trying to avoid cynicism these days. And these feelings I have about tennis aren't exclusive to tennis either. I feel this way about all sports now. Maybe it's my communications/media education mixing with feelings I get from my job (work in consulting -- in strategy and analytics; not a consultant but I see the trends, in how businesses try to maximize everything for profit) and, like, it kills the entertainment.

I used to love following stats but sports coverage uses them so much in such a silly way (all those IBM moments ESPN had) that it ruins things for me. Oh, look how we can predict this match with data! If Nole gets 70% of his first serves in, he wins? Like, no shit. No shit, ESPN and IBM.

Even watching Serena and Vinci, like, tell me the pattern of play ESPN! Why not compare this to the types of players Serena has generally been vulnerable to? Why not bring up the style of play more? Serena's having issues moving her feet? Maybe it's because Vinci is hitting behind her. Why not tell people that?

As much as I criticize ESPN for their non-sports coverage entertainment programming, I do have to credit them for the "30 for 30" series (though given that they've all but fired Bill Simmons, the guy responsible for it, because he has the gall to call out people who need calling out). "30 for 30" shows why sports matter, in subjects as wide-ranging as drug-cartel funded Colombian Soccer and the Baltimore Colts marching band.

And just being a Boston sports fan, getting to live through the 2004 Red Sox experience. Then to have the Boston Marathon bombing and see how that played with the 2013 Red Sox.

But then I watch tennis and it's about who is friends with who or what designer they're wearing.

And then this whole summer of Serena and seeing every random journalist pop onto the story, trying to make it something that it's not, or pretend like things are only issues now because of Serena instead of always having been there.

Oh and Larry Scott being Commissioner of the Pac 12? Like, I think collegiate sports - the NCAA is probably third on my list of morally dubious sports organizations so Larry Scott being involved with that is not a surprise to me. (Only the IOC and FIFA get more hate from me.)

I could go on and on and on about how sports and business bothers me now. But, as I said, I've been purposely trying to avoid cynicism lately.
Sep 19th, 2015 05:35 AM
vejh
Re: General discussion thread

Great post Cynicole. All everyone of these players seem to care about is taking pics, being on FB, and rubbing shoulders with "celebrities".
What was with all the "I feel sorry for her that she didn't win the CYGS..." from other female tennis players? If that is a pervasive attitude on tour, then no wonder nobody else seem to be a consistent GS contender. Again, what is going to happen when a player like Serena (who btw, back in the day, was not considered to care very much for the tour) retires?

I shall never forget Larry Scott, if only for the mess he made of the WTA. But whats-her-name currently is coming pretty close with this mess of a USO promo that ended up with a lot of egg on people's faces (and super expensive tickets).

BTW, congrats to Nole!
Sep 12th, 2015 01:20 PM
pigam
Re: General discussion thread

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I'm only watching the Serena vs. Vinci replay now but I've been seeing the Serena articles and even a local radio show did a show (with Zina Garrison and Pete Bodo, no less) about Serena. And I was actually a little for seeing the CYGS until I got to that article that auntie janie linked to in the other thread and saw the comments on it.

For a while I was wondering if this was good because tennis was getting more attention in the 'States. But OMG it's so out-of-context and hagiographic. Athletes usually come off better when they're winning. Why is this such a foreign thing to people? Why is body image only an issue talked about now when I freakin' remember it being a big deal back in the day when Anna Kournikova was a Top 10 player and doing modeling?

I just have a problem with all these young players not being good enough or interesting enough or...like...anything notable. Like Maggie Maleeva, Sandrine Testud and Amanda Coetzer could win slams against them.

The only one with any sort of promise is Petra Kvitova and she's on the Mary Pierce <----> Svetlana Kuznetsova scale.

God, "Larry Scott needs fired" was a classic post for a reason. The WTA was such an embarrassment of riches between 1998 and 2003 (Look at all the names that were ranked in the Top 10 in 2001!!!). Too bad nobody knew what they were doing.
love your posts!
Sep 12th, 2015 03:28 AM
cynicole
Re: General discussion thread

I'm only watching the Serena vs. Vinci replay now but I've been seeing the Serena articles and even a local radio show did a show (with Zina Garrison and Pete Bodo, no less) about Serena. And I was actually a little for seeing the CYGS until I got to that article that auntie janie linked to in the other thread and saw the comments on it.

For a while I was wondering if this was good because tennis was getting more attention in the 'States. But OMG it's so out-of-context and hagiographic. Athletes usually come off better when they're winning. Why is this such a foreign thing to people? Why is body image only an issue talked about now when I freakin' remember it being a big deal back in the day when Anna Kournikova was a Top 10 player and doing modeling?

I just have a problem with all these young players not being good enough or interesting enough or...like...anything notable. Like Maggie Maleeva, Sandrine Testud and Amanda Coetzer could win slams against them.

The only one with any sort of promise is Petra Kvitova and she's on the Mary Pierce <----> Svetlana Kuznetsova scale.

God, "Larry Scott needs fired" was a classic post for a reason. The WTA was such an embarrassment of riches between 1998 and 2003 (Look at all the names that were ranked in the Top 10 in 2001!!!). Too bad nobody knew what they were doing.
Sep 12th, 2015 12:08 AM
pigam
Re: General discussion thread

Wow, those VINCI half-volleys gave me Justine-Serena-flashbacks
Sep 11th, 2015 11:56 PM
JJ ismyname
Re: General discussion thread

I was going to post yesterday before the semis because I was feeling quite p*** off about people going on about Serena this and Serena that. Hearing Evert say that Serena has had no challengers for a decade except Venus. People dismissing every other player within the era. How absolutely disrespectful.

I thought of Justine and what may have happened, how history might have panned out differently.

Vinci played great and showed that there is more than one way to play tennis unlike some of the younger players today. I watched Madison Keys play Serena and what a shocking display it was - I'd sack her coach!

Serena will more likely get another chance to do a calendar slam next year because I just don't see the competition out there. They all seem to play the same way. The only thing is that she'll be one year older. Martina Hingis just won the mixed doubles, what must she be thinking as well. To me the standard at the top of the women's game has dropped and that's worrying.
Sep 11th, 2015 10:46 PM
vejh
Re: General discussion thread

So it took a one-handed BHer; slicer, and older woman to do the job. 3/4 female semifinalists were in their 30's.
It's all between the ears.


BTW, I thought I was super annoyed in the USO 06 when Pova was ONLY promoted among the women (how can I forget "I feel pretty?" to this day I sing this song so often). I was ashamed that the WTA and Larry would totally neglect the other woman; Henin, as if she was nothing.

This year was the worst I have seen (and hopefully will remain that way). Serena was so shamelessly promoted hair in the states; every article focused on her winning the slam, or not making enough money as Pova, or having tons of celebrity friends etc. The USO tried to make money off this of course, and hiked the ticket prices. Not to mention suddenly that all analysts and commentators were so in love with Serena. Too much attention---> TOO MUCH PRESSURE!
And what happened? fail. So I'm gonna see if I can get a cheap ticket to the USO final tomorrow (lol).

So another congrats to Vinci who overcame the whole USTA, celebrity-world, and no support except from her corner, to take this.
Jul 10th, 2015 05:55 PM
vejh
Re: General discussion thread

Oh My Golly gosh WOW!!!
Wooo... Federer. is. just. bee-yoo-ti-ful on grass!! He is playing so unbelievably well!! He is so fluid; like some kind of an oily substance.
Jul 10th, 2015 04:49 PM
vejh
Re: General discussion thread

Maybe the two need (ed) to bring someone in with other input OR it's just that Ju and Nole shares the same shaky mentality in finals....regardless. Although, in Ju's favor, she was also a small person, I think some of that unclear mentality had to do with exhaustion at that point of the tournament, and her relatively decreased desire to win in all slams not called FO


Most of success in tennis is between the ears. That is why Serena is so successful now because the current veteran players she has owned for yrs, and the up and comers are too mentally fragile.
Jul 10th, 2015 01:58 AM
j-fan
Re: General discussion thread

It is funny that Gasquet is able to find Stan's one weakness, short mid court ball with no pace, but Djokovic and his brain trusts did not. This shows that sometimes one needs to bring in some external insights even if you are #1. Justine never did. Her dependence on Carlos is too complete.







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Djoko was off. He usually have better game plans. He is such a dominating player usually, but his record in slam finals is dismal. I suppose he wanted this so badly that he just sucked!!

It's so funny that you compared Stan to Ju: re backhand. Meantime, I thought of Ju when I realized how Nole under performs in slam finals. lol. Obviously, I am unwittingly a Nole fan
Jul 9th, 2015 06:04 PM
vejh
Re: General discussion thread

I had fun watching Aga vs Garbine.
That young girl has some chops on her.
If she plays lights out tennis without thinking, she could shock Serena in the finals.
Jun 9th, 2015 02:13 AM
vejh
Re: General discussion thread

Djoko was off. He usually have better game plans. He is such a dominating player usually, but his record in slam finals is dismal. I suppose he wanted this so badly that he just sucked!!

It's so funny that you compared Stan to Ju: re backhand. Meantime, I thought of Ju when I realized how Nole under performs in slam finals. lol. Obviously, I am unwittingly a Nole fan
Jun 7th, 2015 08:39 PM
j-fan
Re: General discussion thread

Watched the RG men's final. Djokovic's Plan A is to hit hard and Plan B is to hit harder but safely within the lines. Wawrinka had no problem anticipating Djokovic's shots at all. He was always there before the balls.

Stan, OTOH, had taken several chapters from Justine's playbook and hit lots of BH down the line almost as perfectly as Justine would have hit them.

The king of clay is dead. Long live the Queen of Clay.


Jun 6th, 2015 07:05 PM
debby
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Jun 6th, 2015 06:55 PM
Hugues Daniel
Re: General discussion thread

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What happens when Serena leaves? A bunch of ball slapping ladies, with no purpose, seeming ambition, or plan?
Fine tennis everywhere without bad behaviour and heavy screams to bear.
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