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Oct 10th, 2012 10:47 PM
TeraByte
Re: Interesting Fact: 1st time in WTA history every player in top 8...

Fine, NashaMasha, that you are not discussing with me, which would make your arguments seem much weaker:

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Originally Posted by NashaMasha View Post
check the map of Kievan Rus, baby

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...png?uselang=ru
http://www.stamp-collecting-world.co...an_Rus_Map.jpg
1015-1113 AD ,

since 13th century it's become a part of Grand Duchy of Lithuania, but initially a territory of Kievan Rus
Well, are we going to reach THAT early?

To remind you, AndreConrad was discussing with the following statement of the greendestiny:
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Originally Posted by thegreendestiny View Post
Modern-day Belarus did not exist as a country until the fall of USSR. Before that, it was historically a part of either the USSR or the Russian Empire.
I think that just mentioning some 540-545 years of Belarus being part of Grand Duchy of Lithuania (ca 1250-ca 1793/95) is enough to demonstrate that the greendestiny was wrong. All the more so as I pointed to the fact that people speaking proto-Belarussian could feel that they are very important part of population of that state for at least ca 400 years. It's a very important argument because after incorporation of these territories into Russian Empire (at the turn of the 18th/19th century) Belarussian language was banned and its users persecuted!

The maps of Kievan Rus can be used as a fine argument in favor of incorporation of today's Russia INTO today's Ukraine, because the capital of that state was Kiev. But you wouldn't like it, would you? Reaching earlier than 13th c. makes little sense, because it is at that time when languages Old Ruthenian and Medieval Russian splitted.

Oct 10th, 2012 08:21 PM
pov
Re: Interesting Fact: 1st time in WTA history every player in top 8...

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Originally Posted by Cp6uja View Post
For example between Roland Garros and US Open all TOP8 players are also from 8 different countries - but half of them been players with Polish decent, despite only Radwanska represented Poland (today - 4 out of TOP11).
If you mean they all have at least one parent who was born and raised in Poland okay . . it's of interest. If you mean anything else it's irrelevant.
Oct 10th, 2012 08:12 PM
pov
Re: Interesting Fact: 1st time in WTA history every player in top 8...

This is not the first time.

http://www.wtatennis.com/page/AboutTheTour
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2011 - Clijsters began the season by winning her fourth Grand Slam title at the Australian Open, which was followed by three first-time Grand Slam champions: Li Na became the first player from Asia to win a Grand Slam singles title at Roland Garros; Petra Kvitova broke through at Wimbledon, one of her six titles during the season; and Samantha Stosur dominated at the US Open, defeating Serena Williams in the final. For the first time in WTA history, 10 different nations were represented in the world's Top 10 rankings.
I guess the OP meant the first time that the YEC has had players from 8 different countries
Oct 10th, 2012 08:09 PM
Simugna Help
Re: Interesting Fact: 1st time in WTA history every player in top 8...

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Originally Posted by TeraByte View Post
But actually Stosur is only partially of Polish descent: it is only her grandpa (and her family name ). While the other three girls have both parents Polish.
Li Na is the 4th one, not Stosur
Oct 10th, 2012 08:01 PM
NashaMasha
Re: Interesting Fact: 1st time in WTA history every player in top 8...

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Originally Posted by AndreConrad View Post
Belarus wasn't really part of Russian Empire; for centuries it was part of Grand Duchy of Lithuania. No need to evaluate history, because Belarus is its own country regardless of its problems. It is great if a lot of its citizens feel close to Russia or any other country, but there is no need to try to take away their own place from them.
check the map of Kievan Rus, baby

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...png?uselang=ru
http://www.stamp-collecting-world.co...an_Rus_Map.jpg
1015-1113 AD ,

since 13th century it's become a part of Grand Duchy of Lithuania, but initially a territory of Kievan Rus

As for Russian-Belorussian relations - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_State

as for passports
every Belorussian can get second passport (Russian) if
*has relatives in Russia (wife/sister/grandma etc)
*was born on USSR on territory of Russia

These Belorussians get Russian passports automatic and live in Russia with Russian passport and in Belorussia with Belorussian.

All the rest Belorussian can get Russian citizenship if refuses Belorussian citizenship. But Belorussia doesn't except refusals and they live with 2 passports either.

http://belmos.ru/print.php?type=leg&ltype=s&id=35
http://www.referent.ru/1/124681

My Relatives live with 2 passports, but actually with just Belorussian passport you have same rights as with Russian , can live, work for instance in Moscow without any extra permission, just register in 30 days
Oct 10th, 2012 05:00 PM
TeraByte
Re: Interesting Fact: 1st time in WTA history every player in top 8...

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Originally Posted by Cp6uja View Post
All WTA TOP13 is from 13 different countries, and 7 countries is represented into ATP TOP8! Its sound perfect till we take look from which regions they come: EUROPE, EUROPE, EUROPE, EUROPE, EUROPE... all the way!

At WTA TOP64 (WTA PM&P5 and ATP Masters are 64-draw events) there is just 12 non-European players (so in ATP with 20 this kind of distributions are actually better)!

BTW, there is also one bizarre fact about WTA TOP rank this season. For example between Roland Garros and US Open all TOP8 players are also from 8 different countries - but half of them been players with Polish decent, despite only Radwanska represented Poland (today - 4 out of TOP11).
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Originally Posted by AndreConrad View Post
Well Europe gets interrupted at #3 in WTA and at #8 in ATP. Nonetheless European presence is strong, however Asian insurgence is encouraging and positive signs from the US. I also think Australia and rest of Americas are not sleeping and I believe that the stats in the coming years will be less dominated by Europeans.
Yet still you hear this unanimous moaning about Asian Swing in TF: unimportant, worse audience, players don't care, etc. How tennis can become more popular outside Europe/Americas/Australia without organizing big tournaments in Asia, and esp. the Far East which seems the most promising of all the rest of the world?
Oct 10th, 2012 02:32 PM
AndreConrad
Re: Interesting Fact: 1st time in WTA history every player in top 8...

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Originally Posted by Cp6uja View Post
Code:
WTA  ATP
1.BLR   SUI
2.RUS   SRB
3.USA   GBR
4.POL   ESP
5.CZE   ESP
6.GER   FRA
7.CHN   CZE
8.ITA   ARG
9.AUS
10.FRA
11.DEN
12.SRB
13.SVK
All WTA TOP13 is from 13 different countries, and 7 countries is represented into ATP TOP8! Its sound perfect till we take look from which regions they come: EUROPE, EUROPE, EUROPE, EUROPE, EUROPE... all the way!

At WTA TOP64 (WTA PM&P5 and ATP Masters are 64-draw events) there is just 12 non-European players (so in ATP with 20 this kind of distributions are actually better)!

BTW, there is also one bizarre fact about WTA TOP rank this season. For example between Roland Garros and US Open all TOP8 players are also from 8 different countries - but half of them been players with Polish decent, despite only Radwanska represented Poland (today - 4 out of TOP11).
Well Europe gets interrupted at #3 in WTA and at #8 in ATP. Nonetheless European presence is strong, however Asian insurgence is encouraging and positive signs from the US. I also think Australia and rest of Americas are not sleeping and I believe that the stats in the coming years will be less dominated by Europeans.
Oct 10th, 2012 11:26 AM
TeraByte
Re: Interesting Fact: 1st time in WTA history every player in top 8...

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Originally Posted by Cp6uja View Post
...
BTW, there is also one bizarre fact about WTA TOP rank this season. For example between Roland Garros and US Open all TOP8 players are also from 8 different countries - but half of them been players with Polish decent, despite only Radwanska represented Poland (today - 4 out of TOP11).
But actually Stosur is only partially of Polish descent: it is only her grandpa (and her family name ). While the other three girls have both parents Polish.
Oct 10th, 2012 11:01 AM
Cp6uja
Re: Interesting Fact: 1st time in WTA history every player in top 8...

Code:
WTA  ATP
1.BLR   SUI
2.RUS   SRB
3.USA   GBR
4.POL   ESP
5.CZE   ESP
6.GER   FRA
7.CHN   CZE
8.ITA   ARG
9.AUS
10.FRA
11.DEN
12.SRB
13.SVK
All WTA TOP13 is from 13 different countries, and 7 countries is represented into ATP TOP8! Its sound perfect till we take look from which regions they come: EUROPE, EUROPE, EUROPE, EUROPE, EUROPE... all the way!

At WTA TOP64 (WTA PM&P5 and ATP Masters are 64-draw events) there is just 12 non-European players (so in ATP with 20 this kind of distributions are actually better)!

BTW, there is also one bizarre fact about WTA TOP rank this season. For example between Roland Garros and US Open all TOP8 players are also from 8 different countries - but half of them been players with Polish decent, despite only Radwanska represented Poland (today - 4 out of TOP11).
Oct 10th, 2012 10:48 AM
BH both wings
Re: Interesting Fact: 1st time in WTA history every player in top 8...

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Originally Posted by thegreendestiny View Post
Citizens of both countries have equal rights and privileges, can easily switch passport/citizenship to the other without much difficulty. Heck, if Azarenka decides to play for Russia and Sharapova plays for Belarus, it wouldn't be a big deal for their home countries.

You're from Poland so you wouldn't understand.
I'm not from Poland, but I don't understand either. I thought citizens of either country of the Union State would be free to settle within either country, but keep their nationality and passport (a little bit like in the EU).
Oct 10th, 2012 10:33 AM
thegreendestiny
Re: Interesting Fact: 1st time in WTA history every player in top 8...

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Originally Posted by TeraByte View Post
And this we call imperialistic or neo-colonial policy.
Citizens of both countries have equal rights and privileges, can easily switch passport/citizenship to the other without much difficulty. Heck, if Azarenka decides to play for Russia and Sharapova plays for Belarus, it wouldn't be a big deal for their home countries.

You're from Poland so you wouldn't understand.
Oct 10th, 2012 10:14 AM
TeraByte
Re: Interesting Fact: 1st time in WTA history every player in top 8...

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Originally Posted by thegreendestiny View Post
... Even today, Belorussians can go to Russia and enjoy the benefits of a Russian citizen (education, healthcare etc. )
And this we call imperialistic or neo-colonial policy.
Oct 10th, 2012 10:01 AM
TeraByte
Re: Interesting Fact: 1st time in WTA history every player in top 8...

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Originally Posted by Sgt.Timmykinz View Post
They aren't? At school we're taught that Germany and Austria are to be considered the same.
Oh, really? You must be joking. Would you support another annexation of Austria into Germany???
Jimmie48 has a good point but not totally: actually Belarus and Russia (Rus') in their early history WERE TOTALLY SEPARATED which was not the case of Austria and Germany.
Oct 10th, 2012 09:24 AM
TeraByte
Re: Interesting Fact: 1st time in WTA history every player in top 8...

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Originally Posted by AndreConrad View Post
Belarus wasn't really part of Russian Empire; for centuries it was part of Grand Duchy of Lithuania.
And it was REALLY IMPORTANT part of Grand Duchy of Lithuania. In fact, Grand Duchy's official language from 14th until the end of 17th century (1696) was not Lithuanian but Old Ruthenian (called also Chancery Slavonic) which was the closest to modern Belarussian language. Probably the first capital of Grand Duchy of Lithuania, established by Mindaugas ca. 1250, was situated in Navahrudak (small city in today's Belarus).

Actually at that time the Russian Empire didn't exist yet: it was Grand Duchy of Moscow.
Oct 10th, 2012 08:56 AM
shoparound
Re: Interesting Fact: 1st time in WTA history every player in top 8...

Must be like the Canadian-American difference.
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