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Oct 23rd, 2012 05:36 PM
Passierschlag
Re: Peak Venus would destroy Peak Serenka in straight sets

Venus was such an incredible player in her prime.
Oct 13th, 2012 03:03 PM
RVD
Re: Peak Venus would destroy Peak Serenka in straight sets

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Originally Posted by jrollaneres25 View Post
This match displays the closest we've seen of them near both of their peaks at the same time. Serena came out on top, but she still had to fend off a match point. I think it's safe to say Peak Vee and Peak Rena are more than likely EVENLY MATCHED!

Not so sure if I could call this their 'peak'. But GREAT match and great example of their style of play.
However even with this example Serena's clutch-serving, desire to win (mental strength), and return game demonstrated the difference between the two. I suppose it depends on ones perspective though.

Best points of the match:
That incredible top-spin lob from Serena at 08:36.
That magnificent volley from Serena at the net @ 11:53.
The athleticism and shot selections starting @13:41, won by Venus.
And the wonderful BH-DTL shot by Serena.

Aside:
I wonder what people think of Venus' "psychology" in this match?
She even started grunting with maximum effort in the 3rd set.
Nice contribution jrollaneres25.
Oct 13th, 2012 02:58 PM
MrProdigy555
Re: Peak Venus would destroy Peak Serenka in straight sets

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Originally Posted by jrollaneres25 View Post
This match displays the closest we've seen of them near both of their peaks at the same time. Serena came out on top, but she still had to fend off a match point. I think it's safe to say Peak Vee and Peak Rena are more than likely EVENLY MATCHED!

That was not Serena's peak though.

You could tell how worn out/tired Serena was, as well as Venus. All the players looked dead that year in the WTA Championships.
Oct 13th, 2012 08:32 AM
Flopniacki
Re: Peak Venus would destroy Peak Serenka in straight sets

Peak Marion > WTA
Oct 13th, 2012 07:42 AM
jrollaneres25
Re: Peak Venus would destroy Peak Serenka in straight sets

This match displays the closest we've seen of them near both of their peaks at the same time. Serena came out on top, but she still had to fend off a match point. I think it's safe to say Peak Vee and Peak Rena are more than likely EVENLY MATCHED!

Oct 13th, 2012 01:45 AM
new-york
Re: Peak Venus would destroy Peak Serenka in straight sets

No one beats Peakrena.

Oct 12th, 2012 07:06 PM
TPlaya8
Re: Peak Venus would destroy Peak Serenka in straight sets

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Originally Posted by Sally Todd View Post
What's wrong? I'm more of a Venus fan than a Serena fan, but where do we start?

Both Venus's serve and her forehand have a lot more hitches than Serena's fluid game. So the second either becomes off-kilter it's error time, which can last for strings of games and even a full match.

That said peak Venus on grass is much more satisfying to watch—to me, anyway—because unlike Serena she plays a classic all-court grass game with more frequent forays to the net. Her last few Wimbledon titles delivered the kind of net-charging grass court tennis that people are often under the delusion that Federer plays. In fact it's Venus (along with Mauresmo) who held the last stand of an era of classic grass court tennis.

What any true Venus fan will tell you is that the fallibility of her game is part of the overall package and even why we love her because it's such a source of drama. She keeps you on the knife-edge rooting for her. That cliffhanger win over Davenport in the Wimbledon final was ultimate Venus, something no other player will match in terms of operatic drama.

I've always felt like that last USO encounter where Venus gifted set points galore to little sis was the ultimate turning point in their careers. I might be wrong, but Venus hasn't won a major since while Serena went on to win that very tournament and become far less meteoric and more dependable.
Great Post And I too believe that US Open QF was the turning point. The way Venus got to those winning positions in both sets really made me feel like at their best she has the goods to beat Serena especially on fast surfaces. To me she dictated play and outhit Serena more in that match than she did at Wimbledon that year. Only difference was mentally she didn't play the important points well like she did at Wimbledon.

I still believe the way Serena responed and acted after Venus' win at Wimbledon affected Venus' mentallity in that US Open match.
Oct 12th, 2012 05:40 PM
Sally Todd
Re: Peak Venus would destroy Peak Serenka in straight sets

What's wrong? I'm more of a Venus fan than a Serena fan, but where do we start?

Both Venus's serve and her forehand have a lot more hitches than Serena's fluid game. So the second either becomes off-kilter it's error time, which can last for strings of games and even a full match.

That said peak Venus on grass is much more satisfying to watch—to me, anyway—because unlike Serena she plays a classic all-court grass game with more frequent forays to the net. Her last few Wimbledon titles delivered the kind of net-charging grass court tennis that people are often under the delusion that Federer plays. In fact it's Venus (along with Mauresmo) who held the last stand of an era of classic grass court tennis.

What any true Venus fan will tell you is that the fallibility of her game is part of the overall package and even why we love her because it's such a source of drama. She keeps you on the knife-edge rooting for her. That cliffhanger win over Davenport in the Wimbledon final was ultimate Venus, something no other player will match in terms of operatic drama.

I've always felt like that last USO encounter where Venus gifted set points galore to little sis was the ultimate turning point in their careers. I might be wrong, but Venus hasn't won a major since while Serena went on to win that very tournament and become far less meteoric and more dependable.
Oct 12th, 2012 05:32 PM
SV_Fan
Re: Peak Venus would destroy Peak Serenka in straight sets

Question:

What exactly is wrong with Venus' technique? It's criticized alot on this board.
Oct 12th, 2012 05:21 PM
SV_Fan
Re: Peak Venus would destroy Peak Serenka in straight sets

Personally, I always believed that Venus is the better "pure tennis player" of the two, that's just MY personal opinion. However, I believe that Venus at her peak can beat basically anyone except peak Serena. In my honest opinion she even at 32 has still not overcome that mental hurdle to smack her around in matches, she always sees her "sister" on the other side of net and not another "opponent."
Oct 12th, 2012 03:36 PM
Miss Amor
Re: Peak Venus would destroy Peak Serenka in straight sets

I love them both to bits and would die to see them play anywhere remotely close to their best once more ;(


Biggest difference when they were at their peaks was in their forehand (and second serve), which made Serena the better player.

Venus just couldn't dictate the play as consistently as Serena could with her forehand (which was and still is extremely versatile). Even when returning serve, Venus used to dump way too many forehand returns into the net. Both of them covered the court magnificently, making Venus run to her forehand was a safer option than making Serena run to her forehand.

Venus is faster, by not necessarily a better defender. Serena has more options with her nasty cc angles and topspin heavy shots when on the run

At the end, in a matchup like this it all comes down to who can take the charge first, and with her superior forehand and serve, he answer is Serena. Tennis is about matchups as well, and Serena matches up fantastically against hard hitters. Peak Serena win 7/10 times .

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Oct 12th, 2012 03:09 PM
sweetpeas
Re: Peak Venus would destroy Peak Serenka in straight sets

Who cares! They peak so the Williams family won this beautiful story!!!!!!!!
Oct 12th, 2012 01:02 PM
Geisha
Re: Peak Venus would destroy Peak Serenka in straight sets

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Originally Posted by Thirty All View Post
As a player overall, Serena > Venus, but Peak Venus> Peak Serenka
What does "peak" even mean?

Are we looking at peak points? Because then the match would never end because both Venus and Serena's peak serves are aces and the entire match would have hundreds of aces and never, ever end.

If Serena's overall game is better, then how could her peak not be better? She's got the better serve and return, which is huge in big babe tennis. Venus' serve faulters quicker, she'd lose those easy points. She's also not as mentally tough. Where's your logic? And what does 'Serenka' mean?
Oct 12th, 2012 02:38 AM
Thirty All
Re: Peak Venus would destroy Peak Serenka in straight sets

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Really? I remember being in awe against Safina. And there's a highlight of the 6-2 6-3 win over Seles where a commentator said nobody would have been able to touch Venus on that day.

These are just matches where scorelines were convincing. But there were many matches where Venus was playing "peak" and where other players won more games. I think that Azarenka Dubai match was an example. I'm not saying she's better than Serena, but she's not a seven-time GS winner for nothing.
As a player overall, Serena > Venus, but Peak Venus> Peak Serenka
Oct 11th, 2012 01:37 PM
Geisha
Re: Peak Venus would destroy Peak Serenka in straight sets

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Originally Posted by brickhousesupporter View Post
While those matches may look great on paper, the only one that I thought Venus was in shocking form was against Davenport in SanDiego, against the Russians. All those other matches featured Venus going on walkabout.
Really? I remember being in awe against Safina. And there's a highlight of the 6-2 6-3 win over Seles where a commentator said nobody would have been able to touch Venus on that day.

These are just matches where scorelines were convincing. But there were many matches where Venus was playing "peak" and where other players won more games. I think that Azarenka Dubai match was an example. I'm not saying she's better than Serena, but she's not a seven-time GS winner for nothing.
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