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Sep 7th, 2012 07:02 PM
AK-DH Fan
Re: Ana's Summer Swing Session (Until US Open)

I think this was a really good tournament for Ana getting to the quarters . I agree with u guys. She did have her opportunities but didn't convert. Her intentions were good though. She wasn't playing passively at all. Serena was really just too good. Good Job Ana!!! Hope she continues to play well next tournament
Sep 6th, 2012 10:43 PM
gaviotabr
Re: Ana's Summer Swing Session (Until US Open)

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Hey Isa! No I haven't seen it yet. It's recorded (well, whatever part of it they showed on NZ tv, along with the whole day's play) and I'll try to have a look tonight. It's tough though because when there's a live match on I'd rather watch that of course... but I'll try to have a look at some key parts of the match. Your description sounds right though. When you feel that there will not be many opportunities it is difficult to execute when you finally do get the chance, and Ana has had problems with this kind of thing for a while.

I feel that the lower ranked players find her serve a real handful, they aren't good enough at returning to deal with it despite her poor toss and low percentages. But because of her toss and the overall unreliability of it, against top players it doesn't work well enough. I'd have to have a look to see what was actually happening in her serve games against Serena. Mind you, Serena is a very good aggressive returner so she can make even quite good serves look bad.
I think Ana's 1st serve is okish.. could be a lot better, but its not that bad, considering how wild her toss is. But Ana's second serve is highly attackable, against anyone really. She hardly ever wins over 50% of second serve points. And she was hitting over 60% of 2nd serves for this match and in average for the tournament. I'm not even considering Serena, because she can make any serve look average if she is playing well. But Ana hitting SO many 2nd serves definitely made her life (and of any opponent) way easier.

Now I do think that the serve is the one shot Nigel has made worse.. I would like to know what they are trying to do with her serve.. its not really working TBH.
Sep 6th, 2012 10:07 PM
HowardH
Re: Ana's Summer Swing Session (Until US Open)

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Hey Howie!

Did you watch the match?
Hey Isa! No I haven't seen it yet. It's recorded (well, whatever part of it they showed on NZ tv, along with the whole day's play) and I'll try to have a look tonight. It's tough though because when there's a live match on I'd rather watch that of course... but I'll try to have a look at some key parts of the match. Your description sounds right though. When you feel that there will not be many opportunities it is difficult to execute when you finally do get the chance, and Ana has had problems with this kind of thing for a while.

I feel that the lower ranked players find her serve a real handful, they aren't good enough at returning to deal with it despite her poor toss and low percentages. But because of her toss and the overall unreliability of it, against top players it doesn't work well enough. I'd have to have a look to see what was actually happening in her serve games against Serena. Mind you, Serena is a very good aggressive returner so she can make even quite good serves look bad.
Sep 6th, 2012 01:41 PM
Lord Choc Ice
Re: Ana's Summer Swing Session (Until US Open)

Ana's serve % was too low! But her average was 104mph which is a bit more like the old days. She was clearly going for it. There's still hope her serve can become more consistent I suppose, if she keeps working at it.

I'm not too worried about this loss, but it should've been 6-1 6-4. Ana had numerous game points in the last game .

I was really losing hope and ready to give up on her . I think we all feel that way sometimes even if we don't want to admit it .

But anyway, feeling OK about the rest of the season .
Sep 6th, 2012 01:36 PM
gaviotabr
Re: Ana's Summer Swing Session (Until US Open)

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I think today her fh kept her out of that second set. I think Izzy is right in that the problem today was that she was too excited/emotional about those few opportunities she got. I guess it's understandable in context, but just say if she had been playing quite well for a couple of months winning lots of matches I would expect her to pounce on those shots. I suppose it is a streaky shot, I mean in the last two sets of the Stephens match I was confident every time she got a short ball to the fh that she would make something of it, you didn't have that confidence today.
Yes, I agree. And truth is.. Ana just cant afford that insecurity with her FH, because we already know the BH will provide errors. Sometimes its clicking, as she likes to say, others its just missing.

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I am kinda frustrated that for the last 3 years it seems, Ana doesn't really take any promising steps until the US Open. Now she has 3 tournaments left, maybe a couple more, to do something. She needs to get going earlier, the clay seasons have been especially disappointing.
I feel exactly the same.. and who would've thought the USO would become her best slam? Its definitely been the launching point of her season for the past 3 years. And then when she is finally playing a bit better, year is over and she has to start it all again.

Ana said in her presser she wanted to end the year the best way she could, and the work to start the new year in the same level she is now. While I don't think she is playing all that well... certainly not as well as in at this point in 2010, I think she realizes how the past 2 years she ended the year at a reasonably good level, only to drop significantly when the aussie season started. That's something that must change.. maybe, other than the big money, that is another reason for the exhos.. keep some playing rhythm.

And then of course.. clay season should be the stregth of her year, not her doom and gloom. With how well she can play in that surface, the fact that she is letting it become one of her worse parts of the season is a shame.
Sep 6th, 2012 01:34 PM
Cajka
Re: Ana's Summer Swing Session (Until US Open)

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Lots of wild FH errors yes..

Another thing Ana needs to improve on is to be able to hit her shots when the opponent is hitting with big pace. That was always an issue with Ana.. one of the reasons she has been beaten by Venus so soundly even when Venus was not playing all that well.. Ana has a real hard time responding to pace.
there were some matches... I don't know, the match in Linz against Masha was good in that department, that's how she should play against big guns IMO.
Sep 6th, 2012 01:25 PM
gaviotabr
Re: Ana's Summer Swing Session (Until US Open)

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Honestly, how she hit that fh against Serena was appalling, one of the worst matches this season when it comes to fh. The worst was the one against Vinci. She almost never loses because of her fh IMO. Usually it's because of serve or/and bh.
Lots of wild FH errors yes..

Another thing Ana needs to improve on is to be able to hit her shots when the opponent is hitting with big pace. That was always an issue with Ana.. one of the reasons she has been beaten by Venus so soundly even when Venus was not playing all that well.. Ana has a real hard time responding to pace.
Sep 6th, 2012 01:25 PM
The 2nd Law
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Honestly, how she hit that fh against Serena was appalling, one of the worst matches this season when it comes to fh. The worst was the one against Vinci. She almost never loses because of her fh IMO. Usually it's because of serve or/and bh.
I think today her fh kept her out of that second set. I think Izzy is right in that the problem today was that she was too excited/emotional about those few opportunities she got. I guess it's understandable in context, but just say if she had been playing quite well for a couple of months winning lots of matches I would expect her to pounce on those shots. I suppose it is a streaky shot, I mean in the last two sets of the Stephens match I was confident every time she got a short ball to the fh that she would make something of it, you didn't have that confidence today.

I am kinda frustrated that for the last 3 years it seems, Ana doesn't really take any promising steps until the US Open. Now she has 3 tournaments left, maybe a couple more, to do something. She needs to get going earlier, the clay seasons have been especially disappointing.
Sep 6th, 2012 01:09 PM
Cajka
Re: Ana's Summer Swing Session (Until US Open)

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I think its currently streaky.. She can hit tons of winners, but at any moment she can also hit the back fence. The BH errors come from the awkward technique she has... mostly shanks. But the FH errors are wild.. she can also hit 5 straight FH winners followed by 5 straight errors. Her wild FH errors cost her breaking Serena at the 4-3 game in the 2nd set.
Honestly, how she hit that fh against Serena was appalling, one of the worst matches this season when it comes to fh. The worst was the one against Vinci. She almost never loses because of her fh IMO. Usually it's because of serve or/and bh.
Sep 6th, 2012 01:04 PM
gaviotabr
Re: Ana's Summer Swing Session (Until US Open)

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can someone explain me why people say that ana's fh is streaky. she hits some errors now and then, but she'll hit more errors from bh for sure. not only that almost all ana's winners are fh winners, but she can also stay very long in point with it.
I think its currently streaky.. She can hit tons of winners, but at any moment she can also hit the back fence. The BH errors come from the awkward technique she has... mostly shanks. But the FH errors are wild.. she can also hit 5 straight FH winners followed by 5 straight errors. Her wild FH errors cost her breaking Serena at the 4-3 game in the 2nd set.
Sep 6th, 2012 01:01 PM
gaviotabr
Re: Ana's Summer Swing Session (Until US Open)

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The result was more or less as expected. The draw was just as easy as I and many others surmised, up until this point, and Ana's chance of winning this particular match was close to zero, as many thought. Some people might be harsh and say her chance of winning this match actually was zero...
Hey Howie!

Did you watch the match?

I think it shows how far Ana is from actually being a top 10 player. And not only because of her game.. we can argue that Serena played very well and playing like that she has also crushed the likes of Sharapova and Azarenka, who have won slams this year.. but mostly because of how Ana threated the chances Serena gave her in this match. I felt like every time Ana had a chance she would overcook a shot, overhit it by much.. IMHO it looked like anxious shots, as if she was thinking: "OMG OMG I have a chance! Need to take it now!" And then boom, force the issue without need and overhit it. That's still a mental thing... something she needs to sort out.

Now the issue of the game.. even though Ana hit her FH relatively well and finally in an agressive way in this tournament, which is what she must do always, I feel like her overall game is still unspecial if compared to other top players.. and she cant see within a match what works and what doesnt. For an example, Ana hit 2 slices this whole match, and Serena botched it trying to return it both times. Shouldn't she have tried it more? It obviously gave Serena some trouble. Trying to return Serena's 1st serves from the baseline is also something that is very hard to do.. so Ana was getting aced in serves that she could possibly return if she took just a couple of steps back. Back to Ana's own game, the BH and the serve are such glaring issues at the moment. She shanks too many BHs when a shot is directed to that side with pace. And I was watching end of 2010 matches the other day and felt like she was developing a very effective high deep topspin BH at the time. She should try that again I think, easier to hit and tougher to be attacked. Then the serve.. I really don't get what they are trying to do with Ana's serve.. even if her toss sucks, she cant be hitting only 40% of 1st serves in a match. That's the one shot I think Nigel has been progressively making worse. If Ana can ever fix her serve, get it at least to end of 2010 standards, she could easily make her game special again I think. Having another weapon in her game will make her FH even better, take pressure off of it in those opportunity moments, which will probably allow her to not be so anxious to hit the FH overcooking it.

A rededication to fitness, getting stronger, better serve, deep high topspin BH, and attacking with her FH all the time. It could actually make Ana a top player again.

So that nobody says I don't compliment Ana.. I was happy to see her finally trying to be 100% aggressive. Even against Serena, in which she had way less chances to go for the first strike, Ana was trying to be aggressive. That's the only way really. The FH looked great again as she was finally going for it. Rarely saw any pushing in this tournament, and I was very happy about that. If Ana keeps this mindset, keeps trying to be aggressive against anyone, I'm sure she can improve her whole game. I'm curious to see if she will keep this up. Must do it.

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Nonetheless this is a good overall tournament result for her. I think she will feel better now that she has finally reached a QF in a slam, and maybe this will motivate her to push forwards. One can only hope.
Yes.. this was a positive tournament. Ana used the word reward when talking about reaching QFs. We can only hope she gets motivated with this and works harder.

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Another thing that is clear is that Ana can beat weaker players so she really benefits from the draws given to higher seeds. If she can remain high ranked enough to be seeded in the AO this could bode well.
Exactly.. Ana has been relatively good in beating the players she should beat.. Unfortunately the few times she lost to someone she shouldn't have lost to were the ones she had the better chance of actually doing something big. But well.. I do hope Ana sees how important it was for her to be a top 12 seed in reaching this QF, and tries hard to keep herself in that seeding bracket for AO. It will be easier to improve ranking if she has better chances of going deep in slams and big tournaments. And the possibility of beating the likes of Kerber, Errani or Na Li will always be bigger than beating Serena or Azarenka.

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I suppose that graphic includes all serves, second and first combined.

If the first serve tosses and second serve tosses were isolated I presume that Serena would have even tighter groupings due to the accuracy of her toss and the repeatability of her serve.

Something else to note: Serena is much shorter than Ana but it seems her average contact point is actually slightly higher than Ana's. That's damn impressive extension and upwards explosion from Serena. Not only does her contact point vary less from left to right, but she also always contacts near her maximum reach. The two are related of course. You can only contact with maximum height if you toss straight. But to make up such a height difference and achieve such a high contact point is still very impressive from Serena.
I think the graphic involves all serves during all tournament. Ana's toss is so wild.. while Serena's whole serve is a smooth controlled shot.
Sep 6th, 2012 12:58 PM
Cajka
Re: Ana's Summer Swing Session (Until US Open)

can someone explain me why people say that ana's fh is streaky. she hits some errors now and then, but she'll hit more errors from bh for sure. not only that almost all ana's winners are fh winners, but she can also stay very long in point with it.
Sep 6th, 2012 12:28 PM
SidTheKid
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Hey JAS!

Interesting article. Yes... I think the fear of losing has blocked Ana many times.

And that "Novak made me see how important it is to have someone to take care of the body (...)" sentence was just too much..
Now we know what is her plan to win AO
Sep 6th, 2012 12:26 PM
gaviotabr
Re: Ana's Summer Swing Session (Until US Open)

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I was staying away during the tourno, but I can say it now: Congrats on the career GS QF. It was waaaaay overdue.

Sadly, all of this could have easily been achieved if only she bothered with the rankings, but pffft that is so below this girl. She only accepts random pieces of info about her profession if she stumbles upon them by chance in convo with Novak...
Dear God, the level of idiocy is waaaay beyond and above my expectations.

I think I am more interested in her problems in tennis than she is. Well, that is my idiocy, I suppose.

Here's an article on Ana I stumbled upon yesterday. Well, it's not literally on her, but it is spot on. (Actually, it's on choking in sport, really, but isn't that pretty much synonymous with Ana?).
I know there's a better chance that Novak will read it, but still...

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blog...f-choking.html



In short Ana is literally a victim of loss aversion, a psychological phenomenon well known to behavioral economists. Not that any one of us didn't already know that, but FFS, do something about it, woman.
Hey JAS!

Interesting article. Yes... I think the fear of losing has blocked Ana many times.

And that "Novak made me see how important it is to have someone to take care of the body (...)" sentence was just too much..
Sep 6th, 2012 12:24 PM
gaviotabr
Re: Ana's Summer Swing Session (Until US Open)

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Next time I go to India I'll try to look for some. I bet that are cheaper there.
Deal!
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