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Yesterday 07:34 PM
CharlDa
Re: The Official PAW (Pick-A-Winner) Rules and FAQ'S

I just think that the points spread should be reconsidered for smaller tournaments. The top 4 remains the same in all the columns, and I don't think that's fair. Winner should stay the same, but the rest should be more evenly spread.

This could be discussed for 2018.
Yesterday 07:09 PM
kondrashov
Re: The Official PAW (Pick-A-Winner) Rules and FAQ'S

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But even at 5 or 6, it is crazy that 4 players out of 6 will get over 100 points!
it seems true, we can decide to raise this threshold from the next tournament оr from October (by voting). or reconcile with this until the end of the year, and approve the new regulations from 2018
Yesterday 07:05 PM
kondrashov
Re: The Official PAW (Pick-A-Winner) Rules and FAQ'S

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The rule for 2018 should be this:

1) Primary events are given first priority. If there is only one manager, smaller events will not be held.
2) If there are enough managers, smaller tournament threads will be opened.
3) Players do not need to commit prior to playing, but most either post picks or say "in" BEFORE round one is completed.
4) If, after the completion of round one, there are not at least eight (8) players, it is the responsibility of the manager to cancel the tournament.
5) Players who posted in a canceled thread will be allowed to change tournaments IF (and only if) a tournament is canceled due to too few players.


This puts the responsibility on the manager to cancel if not enough people join (and to cancel ASAP), but it also puts some responsibility on the players. You can CHOOSE to play a smaller tournament, but you run the risk of the tournament being canceled and having to join another tournament late.


Re: commitments-- these always caused too much of a headache in the past and weren't worth it. People will either not commit/not play, which we can't afford right now with so few active players.

I say it makes sense to use round 1 as the cut off. As a manager, I'll finalize my entry list after round 1, then award "Wild Cards" (i.e. Late joiners) as needed.
i like this project. I like this project. Weighted, logical and realistic.
Yesterday 07:00 PM
CharlDa
Re: The Official PAW (Pick-A-Winner) Rules and FAQ'S

But even at 5 or 6, it is crazy that 4 players out of 6 will get over 100 points!
Yesterday 06:55 PM
kondrashov
Re: The Official PAW (Pick-A-Winner) Rules and FAQ'S

Seoul should be canceled because the current table for rating points does not provide for the scoring of points if the number of players is less than 5. The purtov's formula is valid only for the number of participants in the tournament> = 5.
Yesterday 05:50 PM
Power Shot
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So then what's the call for Seoul? You admitted that you knew it was wrong but you were "running it like normal to prove a point to someone"

Totally unfair to Sander., but you certainly don't deserve finalist or winner points for a tournament with two people.
I would send you a PM, but you haven't responded lately. In any case, I will adhere to the rules regarding points.
Yesterday 05:46 PM
twight6
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Bringing back commitments and the wild card and such will be discussed in the offseason. Thank you for your input.

@CharlDa , we have enough players to play three tournaments. There are also very few weeks with three tournaments.
So then what's the call for Seoul? You admitted that you knew it was wrong but you were "running it like normal to prove a point to someone"

Totally unfair to Sander., but you certainly don't deserve finalist or winner points for a tournament with two people.
Yesterday 05:39 PM
Power Shot
Re: The Official PAW (Pick-A-Winner) Rules and FAQ'S

Bringing back commitments and the wild card and such will be discussed in the offseason. Thank you for your input.

@CharlDa , we have enough players to play three tournaments. There are also very few weeks with three tournaments.
Yesterday 05:23 PM
twight6
Re: The Official PAW (Pick-A-Winner) Rules and FAQ'S

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I also think that in the odd week where there are 3 events, we should just open two threads.

I also think that in cases where the tournament has the potential to be cancelled (like this week), the manager should tell the players early, so they can post back-up picks in the tournament that is happening. For example, someone could have posted Day 01 picks in Tokyo with the mention (If Guangzhou is cancelled only).

And I don't get the idea of WCs really. If someone wants to join a tournament in the middle of the week, then good for them. They'll just miss a lot of the points in the early rounds.

Or we do it like FITD? Weeks of two tournaments, players can decide to play both events, but only the highest score is kept for the ranking. This can make it fun, because a lot of people stop playing after a few days if they have a bad start. But that adds more work to managers (full events all the time) and for ranking purposes.
Personally, I only do "wild cards" because of my Picks Summary.

When you alphabetize the Entry List, it automatically puts all the players into the Picks Summary. So if people join once you've started entering picks into the Summary, you can't add the new people in alphabetically or it screws everything up.

So, anyone who enters after the first update is put in as a "wild card" which means nothing except that they will be at the end of the Summary-- instead of being in it alphabetically.

Otherwise, wild cards mean nothing since we stopped doing commitments
Yesterday 05:14 PM
CharlDa
Re: The Official PAW (Pick-A-Winner) Rules and FAQ'S

I also think that in the odd week where there are 3 events, we should just open two threads.

I also think that in cases where the tournament has the potential to be cancelled (like this week), the manager should tell the players early, so they can post back-up picks in the tournament that is happening. For example, someone could have posted Day 01 picks in Tokyo with the mention (If Guangzhou is cancelled only).

And I don't get the idea of WCs really. If someone wants to join a tournament in the middle of the week, then good for them. They'll just miss a lot of the points in the early rounds.

Or we do it like FITD? Weeks of two tournaments, players can decide to play both events, but only the highest score is kept for the ranking. This can make it fun, because a lot of people stop playing after a few days if they have a bad start. But that adds more work to managers (full events all the time) and for ranking purposes.
Yesterday 03:20 PM
twight6
Re: The Official PAW (Pick-A-Winner) Rules and FAQ'S

The rule for 2018 should be this:

1) Primary events are given first priority. If there is only one manager, smaller events will not be held.
2) If there are enough managers, smaller tournament threads will be opened.
3) Players do not need to commit prior to playing, but most either post picks or say "in" BEFORE round one is completed.
4) If, after the completion of round one, there are not at least eight (8) players, it is the responsibility of the manager to cancel the tournament.
5) Players who posted in a canceled thread will be allowed to change tournaments IF (and only if) a tournament is canceled due to too few players.


This puts the responsibility on the manager to cancel if not enough people join (and to cancel ASAP), but it also puts some responsibility on the players. You can CHOOSE to play a smaller tournament, but you run the risk of the tournament being canceled and having to join another tournament late.


Re: commitments-- these always caused too much of a headache in the past and weren't worth it. People will either not commit/not play, which we can't afford right now with so few active players.

I say it makes sense to use round 1 as the cut off. As a manager, I'll finalize my entry list after round 1, then award "Wild Cards" (i.e. Late joiners) as needed.
Yesterday 03:12 PM
twight6
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And? It is your duty as manager to tell them that the tourney is cancelled and to join another tourney.
This.

Personally, I think Seoul should be canceled, and the two participants should join another tournament right now. Yes, the week is almost over, but they should never be awarded ranking points for a tournament with only 2 participants.

Just my opinion as a non-board member, but I say that the two participants are told right now- either join Guangzhou/Tokyo, or receive 0 points.
@Buitenzorg @Power Shot @Sander. @kondrashov

I see now that PS has posted that the event is "canceled." Its unfortunate for Sander but he'll have go do his best to earn points in either Guangzhou or Tokyo this late in the week.
Yesterday 12:21 PM
Power Shot
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And? It is your duty as manager to tell them that the tourney is cancelled and to join another tourney.
Noted for future reference.
Yesterday 12:10 PM
CharlDa
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The other player in Seoul posted picks despite knowing there was only two players involved.
And? It is your duty as manager to tell them that the tourney is cancelled and to join another tourney.
Yesterday 09:12 AM
Power Shot
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I know but we need to set up rules or something.

Six is one thing, but two? The manager HAS the responsibility to cancel the tournament at the time and tell the players. What, both players will have the top 2 points? Anybody that decides to pick in this tourney today gets third?

All the crazy managing mess of the past few weeks is one thing, but this is even more ridiculous. NOT the best way to show that you are willing to be the best possible manager.
The other player in Seoul posted picks despite knowing there was only two players involved.
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