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Apr 24th, 2017 09:05 PM
Not A Fan
Re: Fed Cup Romania

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An HD quality would be great as well though, if someone has one, cause that's not anywhere near HD on YouTube (though it says 720p)
I could also get the Dolce version, which is really good quality, but I can't until tomorrow.
Apr 24th, 2017 08:45 PM
Nightcrawl3r
Re: Fed Cup Romania

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Originally Posted by Not A Fan View Post
Yup. Renegade told me in another thread. Shame on me for not checking [emoji38] .

An HD quality would be great as well though, if someone has one, cause that's not anywhere near HD on YouTube (though it says 720p) .

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Apr 24th, 2017 08:42 PM
Not A Fan
Re: Fed Cup Romania

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Originally Posted by Nightcrawl3r View Post
Does someone have the Doubles match ?
It's on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XB5m_r_fJdc
Apr 24th, 2017 04:42 PM
Nightcrawl3r
Re: Fed Cup Romania

Does someone have the Doubles match ?

I'll give you instead the singles matches from day 2 (HD - English comm.) . Maybe I'll put them anyways, depending on the time.
@Not A Fan

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Apr 24th, 2017 02:33 PM
ioana_sk8r
Re: Fed Cup Romania

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Originally Posted by SurreyHills View Post
It is sad that Nastase's behaviour tended to hog the media attention, as it distracts both from the achievements of the Romanian women, but also from a real problem: despite all the money, GB tennis doesnít tend to produce enough players who perform well on clay and it could become a recurring nightmare for the Fed Cup team, as I think most other countries would choose to play them on clay.
Yes, unfortunate side effects when it comes to detracting from real issues on both sides. Thank you for pointing out at least one of those from the Brit side. Fingers crossed this means we've seen the last of Nastase in official functions.
Apr 24th, 2017 01:14 PM
SurreyHills
Re: Fed Cup Romania

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Originally Posted by Coco Hero View Post
even though I still think that anyone who has a general knowledge of how the international world reacts to such statements should better think twice before saying something alike, I stand with Simona's opinion on the topic: it was meant as a joke and not as a racial insult, it was inappropriate and for that he should apologise. End of the story. On that.

Thus said, being Italian and having lived in the UK and having many US and UK friends, as well as leaving close to an American Airbase, I can tell you that it's very difficult for the English speaking world to understand there's people living with different principles. I remember Flavia Pennetta being covered by shit from social media and American websites because in an Italian interview she said: "I can't compare with Serena, she's a beast". She was accused of racism right away. The problem there was that people did not bother checking what was the meaning of the statement in Italian and actually in sport if you call someone "a beast" here, it's a massive compliment as it stands for extremely strong, almost unbeatable.

I am a fan of Simona with no Romanian connections at all and noticed that Nastase's comments regarding Serena were labelled as racist in the British press.
We need to recognise a specific cultural context. In Britain, not that long ago, there was open racism. E.g. black football players were often subjected to vile and repetitive abuse. Nowadays, that has reduced and there is often a reluctance to refer to skin colour at all.
People should recognise that such comments are likely to result in condemnation due to what is called "virtue signalling" particularly in parts of the English speaking world, where there are still problems of racist and sexist behaviour, despite campaigns to try to make it unacceptable.
It is sad that Nastase's behaviour tended to hog the media attention, as it distracts both from the achievements of the Romanian women, but also from a real problem: despite all the money, GB tennis doesnít tend to produce enough players who perform well on clay and it could become a recurring nightmare for the Fed Cup team, as I think most other countries would choose to play them on clay.
I am slightly sorry for the GB team in that respect, but certainly think Romania are the better side with a much better chance of thriving at WG level.
Apr 24th, 2017 12:31 PM
Coco Hero
Re: Fed Cup Romania

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Do you remember when Flavia snapped and started going after Engzell with all sorts of silly hand gestures and stuff, that one time at Fed Cup in France... what was her punishment like? She wasn't like suspended or anything, was she?
IIRC all she got was a fine
Apr 24th, 2017 11:55 AM
Not A Fan
Re: Fed Cup Romania

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Originally Posted by Coco Hero View Post
I remember Flavia Pennetta being covered by shit from social media and American websites because in an Italian interview she said: "I can't compare with Serena, she's a beast". She was accused of racism right away. The problem there was that people did not bother checking what was the meaning of the statement in Italian and actually in sport if you call someone "a beast" here, it's a massive compliment as it stands for extremely strong, almost unbeatable.
Do you remember when Flavia snapped and started going after Engzell with all sorts of silly hand gestures and stuff, that one time at Fed Cup in France... what was her punishment like? She wasn't like suspended or anything, was she?
Apr 24th, 2017 09:20 AM
Coco Hero
Re: Fed Cup Romania

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Here's maybe not the place for such a (philosophical?) discussion... but certainly GM won't be the place.

I'd like to discuss Nastase's statement on Friday, regarding Serena's baby. And maybe here's the right public, because we have:
- Romanians who live in Romania
- Romanians living abroad, including the States, who may be ideally placed, with knowledge of Romanian mentality, but also with a front seat perception of racism over there
- Non-Romanians of different backgrounds, from countries with different views and perceptions on the matter.

Now, here's my case: I was born in Romania. Never in my own family, my extended family, or among my close acquaintances, do I recall, even, 1 racist comment related to color. Or more precisely, I don't recall 1 negative comment. There were positive comments, mostly portraying them as having better genes, like the fact that they're less prone to wrinkles, are better resistant to the sun, the skin color helps them better mask their pimples (which made me a bit jealous given my notable acne),... and let's not mention that "quality" that makes their men particularly popular with the ladies. When later on I learned the first bits about racism in America, I couldn't understand why that is. The only "racism" I knew was ethnically based - and rooted in the pain we had to suffer in the past 1-200 years from some of our neighbors. Any reference to their skin as "chocolate-like", or that of a mixed-race person as "chocolate with milk" would have been (and still is in my mind) nothing but positively discriminating if at all, given how tasty chocolate is. If anything, the comment would be rather sexually inappropriate in my ears rather than racist.

Now, I know Nastase can be a pig. But that aside, my perception is that color-based racism is really not typical for Romanians. If any of you saw the interview, did they get the feeling, from context, body language & face expression, that he meant it as racist? I won't argue that, for someone who has traveled so much, he should have known better. But was he just old, stupid and lacking finesse; or really meant it in a racist way?

And leaving Nastase aside:
- Question to Romanians still in Romania: did color-based racism become a thing in Romania since I left?
- Question to Americans (and any foreigners in general): just how racist does the "chocolate" comparison sound to your years? And if it does have a negative connotation for you, why is that? It's one of the most universally accepted tasty / irresistible types of food out there.

I understand the fight against negative discrimination. But what's so wrong with positive discrimination?
even though I still think that anyone who has a general knowledge of how the international world reacts to such statements should better think twice before saying something alike, I stand with Simona's opinion on the topic: it was meant as a joke and not as a racial insult, it was inappropriate and for that he should apologise. End of the story. On that.

Thus said, being Italian and having lived in the UK and having many US and UK friends, as well as leaving close to an American Airbase, I can tell you that it's very difficult for the English speaking world to understand there's people living with different principles. I remember Flavia Pennetta being covered by shit from social media and American websites because in an Italian interview she said: "I can't compare with Serena, she's a beast". She was accused of racism right away. The problem there was that people did not bother checking what was the meaning of the statement in Italian and actually in sport if you call someone "a beast" here, it's a massive compliment as it stands for extremely strong, almost unbeatable.
Apr 23rd, 2017 10:09 PM
rucolo
Re: Fed Cup Romania

Congrats on beating GB, Romanian girls !

Romania needs Simona and Begu and Begu/Niculescu in doubles in Fed Cup
If Romania plays with Simona and Begu and Begu/Niculescu in doubles they can go far
But if Simona or Begu not play, I see no chance to go far
Apr 23rd, 2017 09:35 PM
Not A Fan
Re: Fed Cup Romania

The word itself is of no importance. You can use mişto, las-o aşa... or whatever way you want to describe it's meaning and generally not taking things seriously...
Apr 23rd, 2017 09:13 PM
Rads101
Re: Fed Cup Romania

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...since the concept of caterincă, that is so important to us, is a concept almost impossible to translate and explain
Now this is totally off-topic (and risks to make me unpopular among fellow Romanians if they actually love it), but I still don't know when and why caterincă became a thing... I never heard it growing up in Bucharest. In '99 I moved to Cluj for studies. I haven't heard it during my 5 years in Cluj either, but I began hearing it in that period when visiting friends & family back in Bucharest. Then I left the country and kinda lost touch with the evolution of "street language". I think I used to associate it with those two guys (forgot their name, not my type) presenting that Bingo show at Antena 1, who had a very cheap type of humor that someone was labeling as caterincă IIRC. As I disliked the guys and what that show represented, I think I developed a negative connotation of the word. To me it remains a (Ukrainian-origin) word which I don't know when, how and why made its way into Romanian.
Apr 23rd, 2017 09:05 PM
ioana_sk8r
Re: Fed Cup Romania

Am with @Not A Fan when it comes to Nastase being a separate category from pretty much anyone else. So erratic and borderline unhinged in actions. I get that a few people might still think he's amusing, but naming someone like that as a Fed Cup captain was a time bomb waiting to go off. That said, I think the problem with the Serena comment -aside from the fact nobody asked him to begin with; he butted in during Simona's answer- wasn't really the chocolate reference. It was the way he first brought up what color it's going to be, as if that is somehow the most important thing to bring up about a baby. Then he went on to use whatever reference he could think of to describe a lighter skin tone, which opens a whole can of worms in terms of racist discrimination based on skin tone What Is Colorism? As Told By A Light-Skinned Black Woman.

Did he consciously mean to go there? Pretty sure he did not, but this goes back to naming someone like that in an official function. Just say No . The really unfortunate thing about all of this is there are legitimate questions about the officiating of this tie -were they in control of the proceedings once they decided to evict Nastase? Did they communicate the decision to suspend clearly and efficiently to both teams? All of that is now rightfully ignored since the dumbass couldn't just walk off the court. He had to wade into the Brit team's space (you can be really vindictive and make this about his inability to stay away from Keothavong) and swear at them from a few feet behind.
Apr 23rd, 2017 08:22 PM
Not A Fan
Re: Fed Cup Romania

It was the supervisor he was insulting there before being gently pushed away by Sori... but in that particular case it was deserved, that idiot was the spark that started the whole mess on saturday.

I also liked what Anne said, and I quote: "Romania had great support, I do feel the romanian fans have been superb and I think the romanian players should be proud of the support they had this weekend." (source) So I hope this clears everything up for anybody trying to accuse the crowd for being unfair or trying to intimidate any british player

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Originally Posted by Rads101 View Post
Now, I know Nastase can be a pig. But that aside, my perception is that color-based racism is really not typical for Romanians. If any of you saw the interview, did they get the feeling, from context, body language & face expression, that he meant it as racist? I won't argue that, for someone who has traveled so much, he should have known better. But was he just old, stupid and lacking finesse; or really meant it in a racist way?
But Nastase didn't even live for most of his life in Romania so he himself is not necessarily typical for romanians. Also his behavior is not really typically for people in general, he's just an eccentric guy. I didn't take it as racist in the sense that I'm sure if Azarenka's baby ever comes up, he'll find a way to make an inappropriate joke about that as well. And I think generally it's hard for foreigners to understand what Nastase does and says, since the concept of caterincă, that is so important to us, is a concept almost impossible to translate and explain
Apr 23rd, 2017 07:08 PM
Dan
Re: Fed Cup Romania

No @Rads101 . But i do admit that foreigners might consider romanians rude or take it too personal because many of them don't have filter on mouth. We are way to straightforward for the western society sometimes, we also like to joke a lot and make fun of certain situation where we shouldn't. The problems in Romania is and will be the ethnic discrimination. Homosexuality is still kind of an tabu subject for many romanians, but knowing how religious and close-minded are many of them it can be an issue in the future as well exception will be the tourist areas.
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