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Today 06:01 PM
Marlene
Re: Kiki Bertens

Larsson/Bertens are scheduled to play Thursday, but Larsson is ill and is not certain to play. She will make the decision on Thursday.
Today 05:23 PM
Marlene
Re: Kiki Bertens

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Originally Posted by Martao View Post
Guys, I think the doubles is not just about success (which they're having, although you could indeed argue they are winning not very relevant tournaments). It's also about having fun, getting positive emotions. I think that is something that helps Kiki. I think I do agree that her singles game could use some tough training, and maybe it is indeed a good idea to skip doubles here or there to create room in her planning to do that. But I don't think skipping doubles at a Grand Slam would be a logical choice. It's the most important doubles tournaments of the year. So either, they lose early and she can implement your plan anyway, or they'll have the success that you don't think they will, right?
Yes, I'm sure she really enjoys playing doubles and I'm not at all dismissive of the positive emotions it brings. I definitively think the Linz-Lux double improved her overall mood last year after her post-Gstaad slump and exhaustion.

When I said she should "ditch doubles and go home!!!" it was a few hours into the tournament and she was already eliminated. Right after the Oz Open she is scheduled to play St. Petersburg, then there is Fed Cup in Romania, then Doha, Dubai - week off - Indian Wells and Miami. So the way I saw it, the best way to make room for a proper training block would have been to skip doubles and return to Europe.

But of course it's a gamble, and if they make the QF then it would obviously have been a very stupid idea to go home early. It was not something I seriously expected her to do, but it's kind of my wish that she will invest (gamble?) more in her singles game.
Today 03:39 PM
Martao
Re: Kiki Bertens

Guys, I think the doubles is not just about success (which they're having, although you could indeed argue they are winning not very relevant tournaments). It's also about having fun, getting positive emotions. I think that is something that helps Kiki. I think I do agree that her singles game could use some tough training, and maybe it is indeed a good idea to skip doubles here or there to create room in her planning to do that. But I don't think skipping doubles at a Grand Slam would be a logical choice. It's the most important doubles tournaments of the year. So either, they lose early and she can implement your plan anyway, or they'll have the success that you don't think they will, right?
Today 07:40 AM
Marlene
Re: Kiki Bertens

Today 07:15 AM
Marlene
Re: Kiki Bertens

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Originally Posted by jolafan View Post
I don't agree that there isn't much potential for improvement, even with JoLa. Right now it seems like they just show up and play doubles. I could be wrong, but I doubt they spend much time practicing together and working on doubles skills and tactics. They are already pretty decent without really trying too hard. There is a lot of room for improvement, IMO.

Of course, as you said, it's all about priorities. Is it worth sacrificing some success on the singles court to win doubles titles with JoLa?
Practising together is a different level of commitment, and not something I considered. I don't think it's realistic, or even a good idea. It would be a logistical challenge to have training blocks in Helsingborg or Rotterdam, and do they keep their coaches or get a new doubles coach, etc.? (Larsson has hardly shown that much dedication to her singles career...). I guess they could both improve if they got to play and partner with the likes of Hingis/Mirza/Strycova, but Bertens/Larsson slugging it out at Internationals is the road to nowhere, IMO.
Today 12:11 AM
jolafan
Re: Kiki Bertens

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Originally Posted by Marlene View Post
Well, I guess it depends on what her own priorities are. But realistically, I'm not sure there is that much potential for improvement... with Larsson. They are both ranked in the 20s, but if you take a closer look at their results and where their points come from, it's pretty evident so-so competition at Internationals have propelled them to where they are. Apart from the QF at the French Open, they didn't make it past R2 anywhere outside the Internationals last year. And like I said above, it's not Martina Hingis she's playing with.
I don't agree that there isn't much potential for improvement, even with JoLa. Right now it seems like they just show up and play doubles. I could be wrong, but I doubt they spend much time practicing together and working on doubles skills and tactics. They are already pretty decent without really trying too hard. There is a lot of room for improvement, IMO.

Of course, as you said, it's all about priorities. Is it worth sacrificing some success on the singles court to win doubles titles with JoLa?
Yesterday 09:03 PM
Marlene
Re: Kiki Bertens

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Originally Posted by jolafan View Post
Am I the only one who thinks it wouldn't be a bad idea to focus MORE on their doubles game? They could probably improve enough to win some bigger titles... and doubles is a lot more fun to play
Well, I guess it depends on what her own priorities are. But realistically, I'm not sure there is that much potential for improvement... with Larsson. They are both ranked in the 20s, but if you take a closer look at their results and where their points come from, it's pretty evident so-so competition at Internationals have propelled them to where they are. Apart from the QF at the French Open, they didn't make it past R2 anywhere outside the Internationals last year. And like I said above, it's not Martina Hingis she's playing with.
Yesterday 08:19 PM
Sasja
Re: Kiki Bertens

Glad I didn't stay up for this one

3/15 BP won
Yesterday 07:48 PM
jolafan
Re: Kiki Bertens

Am I the only one who thinks it wouldn't be a bad idea to focus MORE on their doubles game? They could probably improve enough to win some bigger titles... and doubles is a lot more fun to play
Yesterday 04:55 PM
Marlene
Re: Kiki Bertens

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Originally Posted by miffedmax View Post
I would take offense at this if it weren't so painfully true.
Well, I'm not seriously suggesting it's all Larsson's fault. But Larsson is not exactly Martina Hingis, iYKwIM. I really think Kiki should focus on getting her singles game back to what it was in the first half of 2016. Screw those stupid MM doubles titles; she is not losing her singles matches because of rusty volleying skills. I suppose it's a lot more fun playing doubles in sunny Australia than going home early, but her game could use some really tough love right now.
Yesterday 04:06 PM
Owl-on-speed
Re: Kiki Bertens

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Originally Posted by Marlene View Post
Did you watch the whole match?

It feels like she has lost all her tennis IQ recently. (Remember who she hangs with...). I think she should ditch doubles and go home and put in some hard work.
I went to bed after 3-2 in the second set. She was up a break in both sets, had 15 breakpoints in total and still lost! Really disappointing loss because with indeed some better choices it could have been the other way around.
Yesterday 03:17 PM
miffedmax
Re: Kiki Bertens

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Originally Posted by Marlene View Post
Did you watch the whole match?

It feels like she has lost all her tennis IQ recently. (Remember who she hangs with...). I think she should ditch doubles and go home and put in some hard work.
I would take offense at this if it weren't so painfully true.
Yesterday 03:14 PM
Marlene
Re: Kiki Bertens

Yesterday 07:16 AM
Marlene
Re: Kiki Bertens

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Originally Posted by Owl-on-speed View Post
Tough loss of the first set after all that effort. Completely unnecessary but with such a bad breakpoint conversion it was bound to happen.

She's not playing bad but the serve is not getting her easy points, she's not varying a lot and quite terrible on the important points.
Did you watch the whole match?

It feels like she has lost all her tennis IQ recently. (Remember who she hangs with...). I think she should ditch doubles and go home and put in some hard work.
Yesterday 03:58 AM
Marlene
Re: Kiki Bertens

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