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Nov 21st, 2015 09:58 AM
Darth Revan
Re: Tennis Tipping General Rules 2016 | Changes in Red | Check pages 1-5

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Originally Posted by Michael! View Post
we just felt the need to have one rule here, so it is easier for everyone to remember and Q does not count for Tournament CB, so players with BYE do not need to send anyway, does really not make a big change in general.
oh, ok then
Nov 20th, 2015 11:27 PM
Igorche
Re: Tennis Tipping General Rules 2016 | Changes in Red | Check pages 1-5

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Originally Posted by Adrian. View Post
Actually I also never was for the rule, where LE can be seeded, but whatever...
Then why didn't you say something about it? That is not a new rule. Previous Board made this rule a few years ago without any polls and nobody complained. Now it is our fault they made that rule?

Every year board open Rule Change Proposals thread, and in 4 years no one has said that this rule is bad. Why did you wait so long to say that?

Same happened this year about tournaments in the second week of GS/IW/Miami. You, and some other people, three times complained about who is allowed to play tournaments in 2nd week, and when we opened Rule Change thread none of you said anything about that.

Next year when board open Rule Change Proposals for 2017 Season feel free to say that this rule is stupid and should be changed. Until then let's stop discussion about that.
Nov 20th, 2015 11:04 PM
Adrian.
Re: Tennis Tipping General Rules 2016 | Changes in Red | Check pages 1-5

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Originally Posted by Igorche View Post
And like I said, when you have 9-15 players in QD, why should guys who were on time get punished to play 2 Q rounds while higher ranked LEs got bye in QR1. It's the same thing.

Actually this is even worse. If that is ITF tournament, higher ranked LEs need one win to get 6 points, while lower ranked need 2 wins for 6 points. Why they are punished if they commited on time?
Actually I also never was for the rule, where LE can be seeded, but whatever...
Nov 20th, 2015 10:55 PM
Igorche
Re: Tennis Tipping General Rules 2016 | Changes in Red | Check pages 1-5

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But that's, what's unfair
Like I said, why should guys who were on time get punished in favor of guys, who were late?

No one understands me?
And like I said, when you have 9-15 players in QD, why should guys who were on time get punished to play 2 Q rounds while higher ranked LEs got bye in QR1. It's the same thing.

Actually this is even worse. If that is ITF tournament, higher ranked LEs need one win to get 6 points, while lower ranked need 2 wins for 6 points. Why they are punished if they commited on time?
Nov 20th, 2015 10:43 PM
Adrian.
Re: Tennis Tipping General Rules 2016 | Changes in Red | Check pages 1-5

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You don't need to put Q next to their name, move 3 highest ranked players in the MD and 2 lowest players will play only Q match, as I already told you.
But that's, what's unfair
Like I said, why should guys who were on time get punished in favor of guys, who were late?

No one understands me?
Nov 20th, 2015 10:41 PM
Igorche
Re: Tennis Tipping General Rules 2016 | Changes in Red | Check pages 1-5

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yeah, but everyone from 31, sorry. I had a long day. but I wrote as well other LE

so everyone, who is between 31-dunno, 100/150, profits from that, if there aren't much people in the Q draw.

I just DON't see a practial use for that?!
MD is lacking 4 player, 1, 2 or 3 players then come into MD by playing BYE () and have a Q next to their name, actually not playing any match. So why the hell should we have a Q with 1-3 BYEs, when we can fill MD already?!
+ guys who commited on time should always get treated better than guys who were late!
You don't need to put Q next to their name, move 3 highest ranked players in the MD and 2 lowest players will play only Q match, as I already told you.
Nov 20th, 2015 10:35 PM
Adrian.
Re: Tennis Tipping General Rules 2016 | Changes in Red | Check pages 1-5

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TOP 30 can't benefit from this because we treat them as lowest ranked players, they can't be seeded.
yeah, but everyone from 31, sorry. I had a long day. but I wrote as well other LE

so everyone, who is between 31-dunno, 100/150, profits from that, if there aren't much people in the Q draw.

I just DON't see a practial use for that?!
MD is lacking 4 player, 1, 2 or 3 players then come into MD by playing BYE () and have a Q next to their name, actually not playing any match. So why the hell should we have a Q with 1-3 BYEs, when we can fill MD already?!
+ guys who commited on time should always get treated better than guys who were late!
Nov 20th, 2015 10:30 PM
Igorche
Re: Tennis Tipping General Rules 2016 | Changes in Red | Check pages 1-5

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But if in the MD someone had withdrawn before Q Draw got out, they had moved first into MD, as it should be. That's why we have the LE rule in first place.

Like in my example, some TOP 30 LE or other LEs who are ranked higher than the people who were on time, now will benefit from this rule (when we have less than 6 guys in Q)
TOP 30 can't benefit from this because we treat them as lowest ranked players, they can't be seeded.
Nov 20th, 2015 10:30 PM
Michael!
Re: Tennis Tipping General Rules 2016 | Changes in Red | Check pages 1-5

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I respect that! I would love to see this in the way you speak to those who disagree with you. It's just been a bit too harsh and "I have power so shut up" recently. Also real talk I would love to see the vote by vote results of board decisions and periodical elections just to make the game even better.
I donīt have a problem with people like you, who disagree, I donīt have a problem with guys making suggestions and are not aware 100% of how it works but there are people who know it better, people who just always complain about everything and just discuss further and in this case it is just better to make one clear statement (even if you think that it is too harsh), otherwise these discussions would never end, we saw that last year.
Nov 20th, 2015 10:23 PM
Adrian.
Re: Tennis Tipping General Rules 2016 | Changes in Red | Check pages 1-5

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You managed a lot of tournaments, what did you do when you had 14 players in QD? You punished lower ranked players to play 2 Q rounds even if they commited on time, while higher ranked LEs got bye in QR1.

There is no difference between these two
But if in the MD someone had withdrawn before Q Draw got out, they had moved first into MD, as it should be. That's why we have the LE rule in first place.

Like in my example, some TOP 30 LE or other LEs who are ranked higher than the people who were on time, now will benefit from this rule (when we have less than 6 guys in Q)
Nov 20th, 2015 10:21 PM
Cooper96
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Originally Posted by Michael! View Post
I never said that the board is always true or right but we have to make rules and we as a board do our best to make fair rules but we also donīt feel the need to make polls for all rule adjustments, we would not need a board if we would need to ask everyone about everything anyway.
The board members are all long term players who have the trust of most players and we try our best to find a fair solution, which means that we involve the players into many decisions (which I support also) but not about everything.
I respect that! I would love to see this in the way you speak to those who disagree with you. It's just been a bit too harsh and "I have power so shut up" recently. Also real talk I would love to see the vote by vote results of board decisions and periodical elections just to make the game even better.
Nov 20th, 2015 10:17 PM
Michael!
Re: Tennis Tipping General Rules 2016 | Changes in Red | Check pages 1-5

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I "complained" because I disagreed. I'm not willing to let you guys have your power and just say "The board says it so it is true." That's not how I work in any way, and it's disappointing that's what you expect from the players. Also, I don't have to be complacent with the way things are now just because they were worse before.
I never said that the board is always true or right but we have to make rules and we as a board do our best to make fair rules but we also donīt feel the need to make polls for all rule adjustments, we would not need a board if we would need to ask everyone about everything anyway.
The board members are all long term players who have the trust of most players and we try our best to find a fair solution, which means that we involve the players into many decisions (which I support also) but not about everything.
Nov 20th, 2015 10:17 PM
Igorche
Re: Tennis Tipping General Rules 2016 | Changes in Red | Check pages 1-5

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Originally Posted by Adrian. View Post
It makes even less sense.
So lower ranked players get punished for being low ranked, as LE, who might be higher ranked, will now get to MD (by beating BYE in FQR ), no matter whether they commited on time or not...makes sense...NOT
You managed a lot of tournaments, what did you do when you had 14 players in QD? You punished lower ranked players to play 2 Q rounds even if they commited on time, while higher ranked LEs got bye in QR1.

There is no difference between these two
Nov 20th, 2015 10:16 PM
Cooper96
Re: Tennis Tipping General Rules 2016 | Changes in Red | Check pages 1-5

Michael told Adrian to accept the rules the way the board set them multiple times and that discussion was pointless
Nov 20th, 2015 10:14 PM
AdeyC
Re: Tennis Tipping General Rules 2016 | Changes in Red | Check pages 1-5

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So... people are not allowed to disagree with the board? To me this statement is extremely dictatorial. I mean you guys have lifetime terms and you don't tell us who voted for what when making decisions. You guys do a great job, but whenever someone disagrees you tell them to shut up and that you don't care about what they have to say, and I have to say it's very uncomfortable to see.
Of course some people disagree about certain things - it's rare to get 100% agreement on most topics. To say that we don't care or listen is wrong, we do listen to peoples viewpoints.

With all topics that get discussed by the Board, it's always by majority decision (5-0, 4-1 or 3-2)
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