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Jan 16th, 2016 04:06 PM
Rollo
Re: Jane Lehane O'Neill - Underappreciated or Over-rated

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Jan was on-court for the presentation of the women's final for the Sydney International. She was introduced to the crowd but unfortunately no other role in the presentation. Unless you are Court or Goolagong in Australia, as the title of this thread goes, you are pretty underappreciated :-(
It's a pity. I wish someone could contact her and ask if she wanted to communicate with us!


Here's a photo of Jan (on right) with Ken Rosewall. She's looking good!

Jan 16th, 2016 07:47 AM
louloubelle
Re: Jane Lehane O'Neill - Underappreciated or Over-rated

Jan was on-court for the presentation of the women's final for the Sydney International. She was introduced to the crowd but unfortunately no other role in the presentation. Unless you are Court or Goolagong in Australia, as the title of this thread goes, you are pretty underappreciated :-(
Dec 6th, 2015 03:16 AM
Rollo
Re: Jane Lehane O'Neill - Underappreciated or Over-rated

At a swanky dinner party with Lesley Turner. Jan is seated on the far right.

Dec 6th, 2015 02:58 AM
Rollo
Re: Jane Lehane O'Neill - Underappreciated or Over-rated

Found this wonderful photo-what trophies!

Jan is on the right. Winning the Italian doubles with Lesley Turner in 1963

Aug 10th, 2014 10:41 AM
tennisvideos
Re: Jane Lehane O'Neill - Underappreciated or Over-rated

On Friday I finally got to meet the adorable Jan Lehane ... what a beautiful, gentle and humble soul.

I was attending the Judy Dalton tribute day and Jan was one of the many guests in attendance and when I found out she was there I had to do a bee line straight for her at before the luncheon started. Got to talk with her for about 10 minutes before I had to get back to my table and she was so thrilled to have someone remember her and know details of her career. She said she has a DVD with a few clips of her playing against Margaret Court at one of the Aussie Open finals and has invited me over to her place (she only lives 20 minutes away) to view it and make a copy. So that will be a thrill. And then I can ask her some more questions about her career and will be sure to share on this thread.

I will have to get a pic with her as well - I got pics with Judy Dalton, Ken Rosewall and Lesley Turner again but I didn't even think about it with Jan - probably because she wasn't playing tennis with us and was only at the lunch.
Jan 9th, 2013 12:02 PM
tennisvideos
Re: Jane Lehane O'Neill - Underappreciated or Over-rated

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Geoff Brown was the double-hander you're thinking of - John Brown came a generation later, and became better known as a tennis promoter.
I ballboyed for Jan Lehane at the Australian championships in 1961, and watched her play often. "Tenacious" was the word for her. Her game, as I recall, was really pretty similar to the double-handers we've seen in the past generation: fierce driving groundstrokes into the back corners of the court, not much variety or artistry, but quick on her feet, and as Adrian Quist said, played with a tigerish intensity. Against Margaret, though, that just wasn't enough. Margaret had such big weapons - that serve, superb volleys, and powerful, audacious groundstrokes - that she just blew Jan and pretty well everyone else off the court.

Re Australians on clay: in Melbourne at least, we grew up on clay, or en-tout-cas, as we called it, so it's no surprise that lots of Melbourne players got their best results on clay: Merv Rose, Peter McNamara, Nicole Provis Bradtke, to name a few.
Thanks Gumnut. Yes, you are correct it was Geoff Brown I was thinking of.

Pity there isn't any footage around of Jan playing ... I have footage of just about all the other great Aussie players except her. Just a few stills. You were lucky you got to see her play. She was unlucky to come up against the great Margaret Court as she was herself about to burst onto the world scene. Surely that must have dented her confidence. But I think she would have been a great claycourter in particular, and a very talented player regardless of surface as evidenced by her wins over such greats as Bueno, Hard, Jones etc.
Dec 25th, 2012 11:35 PM
gumnut49
Re: Jane Lehane O'Neill - Underappreciated or Over-rated

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Yes I tend to agree. You see a lot of the girls actually grew up playing on a combination of grass and dirt courts which are even more slippery to play on than the European clay courts. I grew up on them myself. So it explains why so many could handle the grass and clay so well. And it was the same for the men - they generally had a good handle on both surfaces eg. Rosewall, Laver, Roche spring to mind.

Yes you are right Iain, I think the Aussies probably led the way in terms of double handed play ... there was Vivian McGrath, John Bromwich (double handed off both sides), John Brown (I think that was his name ... made a Wimbledon final), and Jan Lehane the first of the women that I am aware of.

Lehane played her double hander very close to her body so it really would have restricted her somewhat and i think it was probably her undoing on grass to a degree. I also think it was a case of the baseliner develops their game quicker - they don't have as much to refine, but the all court player takes longer to develop. So although she had the wins over Court in the juniors, once Court developed her all court game (rather quickly mind you) she then turned the tables and started to dominate Lehane. Mind you, Turner posed more opposition on clay for Margaret, but as we know, Lesley was one of the greats on clay in the early to mid 60s.
Geoff Brown was the double-hander you're thinking of - John Brown came a generation later, and became better known as a tennis promoter.
I ballboyed for Jan Lehane at the Australian championships in 1961, and watched her play often. "Tenacious" was the word for her. Her game, as I recall, was really pretty similar to the double-handers we've seen in the past generation: fierce driving groundstrokes into the back corners of the court, not much variety or artistry, but quick on her feet, and as Adrian Quist said, played with a tigerish intensity. Against Margaret, though, that just wasn't enough. Margaret had such big weapons - that serve, superb volleys, and powerful, audacious groundstrokes - that she just blew Jan and pretty well everyone else off the court.

Re Australians on clay: in Melbourne at least, we grew up on clay, or en-tout-cas, as we called it, so it's no surprise that lots of Melbourne players got their best results on clay: Merv Rose, Peter McNamara, Nicole Provis Bradtke, to name a few.
Jul 9th, 2010 10:05 AM
iainmac
Re: Jane Lehane O'Neill - Underappreciated or Over-rated

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Yes I tend to agree. You see a lot of the girls actually grew up playing on a combination of grass and dirt courts which are even more slippery to play on than the European clay courts. I grew up on them myself. So it explains why so many could handle the grass and clay so well. And it was the same for the men - they generally had a good handle on both surfaces eg. Rosewall, Laver, Roche spring to mind.

Yes you are right Iain, I think the Aussies probably led the way in terms of double handed play ... there was Vivian McGrath, John Bromwich (double handed off both sides), John Brown (I think that was his name ... made a Wimbledon final), and Jan Lehane the first of the women that I am aware of.

Lehane played her double hander very close to her body so it really would have restricted her somewhat and i think it was probably her undoing on grass to a degree. I also think it was a case of the baseliner develops their game quicker - they don't have as much to refine, but the all court player takes longer to develop. So although she had the wins over Court in the juniors, once Court developed her all court game (rather quickly mind you) she then turned the tables and started to dominate Lehane. Mind you, Turner posed more opposition on clay for Margaret, but as we know, Lesley was one of the greats on clay in the early to mid 60s.
CraigGreat post. You know what I was thinking? Lehane and Court must be the most frequent pair to play off for the same GS title. I mean how often was it that they played for the Australian title? And I think it is easy to forget that there were great players, such as Bueno and Truman, down under when it came to be a Lehane v Court final.
Jul 9th, 2010 12:34 AM
tennisvideos
Re: Jane Lehane O'Neill - Underappreciated or Over-rated

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Its funny but actually Chris it seems to me that all Australian women of this era were great on clay. Court, Turner,Lehane and later Melville, Fromholtz and Goolagong. Actually I think that Australian women were great on the dirt.
Yes I tend to agree. You see a lot of the girls actually grew up playing on a combination of grass and dirt courts which are even more slippery to play on than the European clay courts. I grew up on them myself. So it explains why so many could handle the grass and clay so well. And it was the same for the men - they generally had a good handle on both surfaces eg. Rosewall, Laver, Roche spring to mind.

Yes you are right Iain, I think the Aussies probably led the way in terms of double handed play ... there was Vivian McGrath, John Bromwich (double handed off both sides), John Brown (I think that was his name ... made a Wimbledon final), and Jan Lehane the first of the women that I am aware of.

Lehane played her double hander very close to her body so it really would have restricted her somewhat and i think it was probably her undoing on grass to a degree. I also think it was a case of the baseliner develops their game quicker - they don't have as much to refine, but the all court player takes longer to develop. So although she had the wins over Court in the juniors, once Court developed her all court game (rather quickly mind you) she then turned the tables and started to dominate Lehane. Mind you, Turner posed more opposition on clay for Margaret, but as we know, Lesley was one of the greats on clay in the early to mid 60s.
Jul 8th, 2010 06:15 PM
iainmac
Re: Jane Lehane O'Neill - Underappreciated or Over-rated

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Jan's Slam record isn't included in the edition of Collins' Encyclopedia I have so I don't have her record to hand.

Obviously she has a good record at the Aussie but I have a feeling she was generally regarded as being one of the few Australians whose game was better suited to clay than grass.
Its funny but actually Chris it seems to me that all Australian women of this era were great on clay. Court, Turner,Lehane and later Melville, Fromholtz and Goolagong. Actually I think that Australian women were great on the dirt.
Jul 8th, 2010 05:09 PM
chris whiteside
Re: Jane Lehane O'Neill - Underappreciated or Over-rated

Jan's Slam record isn't included in the edition of Collins' Encyclopedia I have so I don't have her record to hand.

Obviously she has a good record at the Aussie but I have a feeling she was generally regarded as being one of the few Australians whose game was better suited to clay than grass.
Jul 8th, 2010 02:28 PM
iainmac
Re: Jane Lehane O'Neill - Underappreciated or Over-rated

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You are a bit of a aren't you Chris

I just watched a few clips last night and got a look at Lehane playing some points with Court against King & Susman (or Moffitt & Hantze as they were known back then). WIshed I had some more footage of Jan - she was a bit of a trailblazer in the womens game with the double handed backhand.
CraigWasnt it Australian players anyway who first started to play double handed way before Connors and Evert. I cant remember but off the top of my head Vivian McGrath comes to mind. And of course Lehane. I wonder though if the double handed backhand in the era in which she played would have restricted her strokes, particularly on grass??
Jul 8th, 2010 01:48 PM
tennisvideos
Re: Jane Lehane O'Neill - Underappreciated or Over-rated

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hi TV seeing as you're in good form at the minute.

Bump
You are a bit of a aren't you Chris

I just watched a few clips last night and got a look at Lehane playing some points with Court against King & Susman (or Moffitt & Hantze as they were known back then). WIshed I had some more footage of Jan - she was a bit of a trailblazer in the womens game with the double handed backhand.
Jul 8th, 2010 01:38 PM
iainmac
Re: Jane Lehane O'Neill - Underappreciated or Over-rated

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hi TV seeing as you're in good form at the minute.

Bump
ChrisThanks for bumping this one, very relevant as we have been talking a lot lately about the womens game in Australia in Lehanes era.
Jul 8th, 2010 01:21 PM
chris whiteside
Re: Jane Lehane O'Neill - Underappreciated or Over-rated

hi TV seeing as you're in good form at the minute.

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