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Oct 11th, 2012 02:00 AM
thrust
Re: Rosebud - Rosie Casals

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Originally Posted by Rollo View Post
Lucky you Thrust! What was it like to watch tennis at Forest Hills? I love some of the all court tennis seen in the old days on grass.

I wonder if she had a singles slam in her.

I've seen various reasons. Some cite her height. At 5' 2 and half inches (and Rosie liked to emphsize that half!) she was a good 2 inches shorter than King, for instance. Others cited her friendship with Billie Jean. King herself saluted Rosie's shotmaking but wrote she never worked hard enough for it.

Why, in your view, was Rosie never destined to win a slam?
Forest Hills was great in those days, because it was easy to get tickets. One could roam around from stadium to other courts easily as the place was rarely packed, especially in the early rounds. I think Rosie's main reason for not winning a slam was mental. She had such, perhaps too much, a variety of shots which caused her to choose the wrong ones in a tight situation. I suppose BJK knows best but I think Rosie did work hard enough, but just didn't have the physical and mental stamina to beat several top players consecutively, which is what is needed in order to win a slam.
Oct 8th, 2012 11:40 PM
SelesGOAT
Re: Rosebud - Rosie Casals

Casals played in an era of Court, King, Evert, Navratilova, Goolagong and behind them Jones, Wade, Richey, and then behind them other similarily dangerous players to herself like Stove, Barker, Turnbull, Morozova, Melville. She was good but in that era it would be pretty much impossible to see her winning a slam. Her best opportunity was probably the 70 or 71 U.S Open since there was less depth briefly then, and she only needed one really big win, the finals each time. She folded in the 3rd set in 1970 with a bunch of stupid errors even though Court was clearly nervous about the prospect of the Grand Slam and not at her domineering best, and in 1971 she should have won the 2nd set anyway.
Oct 6th, 2012 03:40 PM
Rollo
Re: Rosebud - Rosie Casals

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Rosie was, indeed, a great shotmaker. I was at that Forest Hills match in which she lost to Bueno in 3 sets. It was one of the finest women's matches I ever saw. Both players had great all-court games and could hit with power and finesse.
Lucky you Thrust! What was it like to watch tennis at Forest Hills? I love some of the all court tennis seen in the old days on grass.

I wonder if she had a singles slam in her.

I've seen various reasons. Some cite her height. At 5' 2 and half inches (and Rosie liked to emphsize that half!) she was a good 2 inches shorter than King, for instance. Others cited her friendship with Billie Jean. King herself saluted Rosie's shotmaking but wrote she never worked hard enough for it.

Why, in your view, was Rosie never destined to win a slam?
Oct 6th, 2012 02:20 AM
thrust
Re: Rosebud - Rosie Casals

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Originally Posted by samn View Post
I remember Bud Collins in the commentary booth once referring to Rosebud as the greatest shotmaker women's tennis had ever seen. Dick "Oh, my!" Enberg was really taken aback by Collins' claim and seemed to have no idea what being a shotmaker meant. He thought that Collins was claiming that Casals had better groundstrokes than any other woman player in history.
Rosie was, indeed, a great shotmaker. I was at that Forest Hills match in which she lost to Bueno in 3 sets. It was one of the finest women's matches I ever saw. Both players had great all-court games and could hit with power and finesse.
Sep 28th, 2012 04:41 PM
Rollo
Re: Rosebud - Rosie Casals

Ran across this video watching tV this morning in celebration of Hispanic Heritage month. The video is a good glimpse of how she hot started.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/186536599...e-rosie-casals


Loved how she pronounced Studebaker like Stu-di-baker
Sep 28th, 2012 04:39 PM
Rollo
Re: Rosebud - Rosie Casals

Recently I became aware of how close Rosie was to the singer Dusty Springfield. Casals is mentioned in some bios about the chanteuse.
Sep 13th, 2011 05:25 PM
Rollo
Re: Rosebud - Rosie Casals

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how i miss those virgina slims years! the virginia slims of chicago, san francisco, philadelphia, etcetera, etcetera. when CBS would air these tournaments in the 70's... incredible players, evert, martina, king, goolagong, wade, court, casals, morozova, richey gunter, etcetera... the greatest umpire ever lee jackson who made every match so exciting, the lighting of the court and crowd, the sound of the ball,everything was so awesome, fun and exciting to watch those matches back in the day!



The funny thing about the tour was the contrast. Sure-after 1974 every week was indoors. But no one will ever match the cast of characters and playing styles from that era.

Rosie has a special place in Virginia Slims history. She holds the record for playing the most events on the Virginia Slims tour (1971-1978). She was also the first female to win an event where the prize money was $100,000 or higher when she won the 1973 Family Circle Cup.
Sep 13th, 2011 01:26 PM
laschutz
Re: Rosebud - Rosie Casals

love watching rosie in action 1977 3rd place playoff match against a hurt shouldered martina in the virgina slims championship as well as her with billie jean against margaret and virginia in the 1975 u.s. open doubles final....

how i miss those virgina slims years! the virginia slims of chicago, san francisco, philadelphia, etcetera, etcetera. when CBS would air these tournaments in the 70's... incredible players, evert, martina, king, goolagong, wade, court, casals, morozova, richey gunter, etcetera... the greatest umpire ever lee jackson who made every match so exciting, the lighting of the court and crowd, the sound of the ball,everything was so awesome, fun and exciting to watch those matches back in the day!
Sep 13th, 2011 12:03 PM
austinrunner
Re: Rosebud - Rosie Casals

No, the professional contracts were signed in 1968. King was not payed a penny by Wilson to use its steel racquet.
Sep 13th, 2011 09:46 AM
alfajeffster
Re: Rosebud - Rosie Casals

Didn't both Rosie and Billie Jean sign on as touring pros (along with Roy Emerson, Ann Jones, and others) with George McCall (I think that's his name) that year, and wasn't one of the sponsors Wilson? God knows Jack Kramer wasn't interested in signing girls.
Sep 13th, 2011 09:28 AM
austinrunner
Re: Rosebud - Rosie Casals

Couldn't be 1967 because Casals played with wood at Wimbledon that year. I have posted a picture of her and King playing doubles that year in the King career results thread. King also played with wood there but switched to steel sometime after the 1967 U.S. Clay Court Championships but before the 1967 U.S. National Championships.
Sep 12th, 2011 06:23 PM
Rollo
Re: Rosebud - Rosie Casals

Casals at Wimbledon-note the steel racquet. (Exact year undetermined-see posts below)

Nov 16th, 2009 10:44 AM
iainmac
Re: Rosebud - Rosie Casals

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Originally Posted by preacherfan View Post
Unfortunately, by '72 Rosie's destiny as a bridesmaid was already determined. Maybe she could've done that earlier and it would've made a difference.

Watching Rosie's points on YouTube have given me even more appreciation for her shot-making ability.
I agree- it is easy to remember the greatness of stroke production of Hingis, Mandlikova, Goolagong. It is right to consider Casals as being right there for natural shot making ability!!!
Nov 16th, 2009 10:42 AM
iainmac
Re: Rosebud - Rosie Casals

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Originally Posted by Rollo View Post
At some point they stopped because Rosie felt partnering with King was hurting her singles. They met so often in 1971 on the Slims tour-with Rosie usually coming up on the short end of things.
That is interesting RolloI think it is easy to forget with her fantastic doubles record just what a great singles player Casals was. And of course at that point in the early 70s she was a very legitimate contender for the Wimbledon and US Open titles!!!
Nov 15th, 2009 10:54 PM
preacherfan
Re: Rosebud - Rosie Casals

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Originally Posted by Rollo View Post
At some point they stopped because Rosie felt partnering with King was hurting her singles. They met so often in 1971 on the Slims tour-with Rosie usually coming up on the short end of things.
Unfortunately, by '72 Rosie's destiny as a bridesmaid was already determined. Maybe she could've done that earlier and it would've made a difference.

Watching Rosie's points on YouTube have given me even more appreciation for her shot-making ability.
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