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Apr 19th, 2009 02:30 AM
LDVTennis
Re: SI. com: Seles reflects on her HOF career

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If Steffi had lost the first set we can't believe she would have let herself be bagelled in the second. Outcome could have been totally different.
Any time you change one variable in the initial conditions of a system (i.e., the match), there is no way of knowing what the real outcome would have been of that change, no matter how simple the change appears. It's NOT simply what happened, plus whatever follows from the one change you make to the system. In science (chaos theory), this is known as the "butterfly effect."

See the wiki article for more of an explanation --- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfly_effect. You'll even find a short section there which explains how the butterfly effect makes the hopes of time travel (which is really what any "what if" statement is) questionable at its very core.
Apr 19th, 2009 01:09 AM
Sammm
Re: SI. com: Seles reflects on her HOF career

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No because in hindsight, that set point she held against Graf at the US Open turned out to be a match point. She was nowhere near that in Australia against Hingis and Capriati, even tough the matches were close. May I remind you that she won all her matches like 61 60 for her comeback tournament in Toronto.

If Steffi had lost the first set we can't believe she would have let herself be bagelled in the second. Outcome could have been totally different.
Apr 19th, 2009 12:35 AM
LightWarrior
Re: SI. com: Seles reflects on her HOF career

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i don't think seles regards the 95 open final as disappointing because it was only her second tournament back and first slam, and she reached the final, pushing the great Graf to 3 tight sets. by all accounts it was a huge success. more disappointing were her losses to hingis and capriati in australia, where she had a real chance to win the event a few more times.
No because in hindsight, that set point she held against Graf at the US Open turned out to be a match point. She was nowhere near that in Australia against Hingis and Capriati, even tough the matches were close. May I remind you that she won all her matches like 61 60 for her comeback tournament in Toronto.
Apr 19th, 2009 12:23 AM
tonybotz
Re: SI. com: Seles reflects on her HOF career

i don't think seles regards the 95 open final as disappointing because it was only her second tournament back and first slam, and she reached the final, pushing the great Graf to 3 tight sets. by all accounts it was a huge success. more disappointing were her losses to hingis and capriati in australia, where she had a real chance to win the event a few more times.
Apr 18th, 2009 09:41 PM
LightWarrior
Re: SI. com: Seles reflects on her HOF career

I wonder why she fails to mention her 1995 US Open loss to Graf as one of her biggest disappointments. Similar scoreline as her 1998 FO final defeat btw. She had set point in the tie-break, but an ace was overruled by the chait umpire. In her first book she mentioned she still believed it was an ace. She should have won 76 60 and not lose 76 06 63 that day.
Apr 18th, 2009 01:55 PM
moon
Re: SI. com: Seles reflects on her HOF career

thanks
I was inspired to play tennis because of her. This book definitely looks to be worth buying.
Apr 18th, 2009 12:21 PM
The Dawntreader
Re: SI. com: Seles reflects on her HOF career

When you think about it, Seles's father was a coaching genius.
Apr 18th, 2009 11:46 AM
VivalaSeles
Re: SI. com: Seles reflects on her HOF career

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I don't think Monica has ever said she thought she would win against Steffi in 1992, just that she wished she'd done herself justice which is fair enough IMHO.

Thanks for the article - I Monica loads.
My sentiments exactly!
Apr 18th, 2009 11:46 AM
VivalaSeles
Re: SI. com: Seles reflects on her HOF career

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She was robbed. I will never forgive stupid Tauziat for that and to a lesser extent Navratilova.

It's like asking a double-handed player to play one-handed. She was handicapped.
Well, Navratilova later apologized. Tauziat never did.
Apr 18th, 2009 08:31 AM
Sam L
Re: SI. com: Seles reflects on her HOF career

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That 1992 Wimbledon final must be the biggest regret in her career. She was on her way to win all 4 GS that year. Not only the British press was horrible, but Navratilova and Tauziat were horrible as well toward her, bad losers. She was almost forced to shut up during the final, and losing her ability to play her usual tennis in the process.
She was robbed. I will never forgive stupid Tauziat for that and to a lesser extent Navratilova.

It's like asking a double-handed player to play one-handed. She was handicapped.
Apr 18th, 2009 07:46 AM
galadriel
Re: SI. com: Seles reflects on her HOF career

Monica
Apr 18th, 2009 06:43 AM
tennisbear7
Re: SI. com: Seles reflects on her HOF career

So sad.

But, she'll forever be a legend of the sport.
Apr 18th, 2009 06:05 AM
WhatTheDeuce
Re: SI. com: Seles reflects on her HOF career

Love Monica. Legend.
Apr 18th, 2009 05:41 AM
~Cherry*Blossom~
Re: SI. com: Seles reflects on her HOF career

Thanks for positing the article/interview. It was a great read and nice to get an insight in what one of the legends of the game thought about the highs and lows of her career. It was great to read what she said about Serena

A true champion and a true legend - Monica Seles
Apr 18th, 2009 05:13 AM
Steff_forever
Re: SI. com: Seles reflects on her HOF career

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You're welcome everyone! Big admirer of both Graf and Seles here. Lovely to read Monica confirm for us how intertwined their careers were, how her own highs and regrets are marked by matches with Steffi. Incidentally, Graf is on record saying she wished she had the 1992 French Open final to play over. Just makes me wish they (and we) were allowed to enjoy a fleshed-out rivalry.

I'm with Helen in not feeling that the grunt alone could account for the 1992 defeat at Wimbledon. Monica was her most uncertain on grass. And there was Venus-like clarity to Graf's play that day. Still, it is something to hear Monica admit the media affected her game.

And jamesuk: I'm still bitter about that French '98 final. All ASV did was bunt her backhand deep into Monica's forehand corner. For the entire 3rd set. I would've torn my hair out if it wasn't already a low fade.

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