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Jul 5th, 2007 03:31 AM
G1Player2
Re: Truth Serena did not believe she could defeat Justine

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Originally Posted by Randy H View Post
I didn't think the movement cost Serena the match as much as the apparent thumb injury seemed to. I thought Serena moved better than I was expecting, sure she wasn't at peak speed either, but it could have been much much worse too. The issue with the thumb proved a more apparent liability, because she was slicing the backhand so often, and usually dumping them into the net. Even when she did hit over it, it looked more like she was holding onto the racquet with the other hand until the last second and then sort of letting go on the follow through - The fact that she had so few winners from that side, to me is a result of that injury and for Serena to have won with less than her best movement, she really needed to be on with the groundies. With the thumb injury, that just wasn't possible, because she wasn't able to be really aggressive off of that side. I do think for Serena though, it has to be somewhat encouraging that she put up such a close fight given the circumstances she was in even though I'm sure she'll be very disappointed knowing the perfectionist she is!

Excellent objective post. Serena hit one backhand winner in this match. That speaks volumes.
Jul 5th, 2007 03:27 AM
spencercarlos
Re: Truth Serena did not believe she could defeat Justine

I don´t think Serena is afraid of anybody, at any stage, surface or anytime.

She got beaten by the better player on the day. Not because she did not believe.
Jul 5th, 2007 03:22 AM
Randy H
Re: Truth Serena did not believe she could defeat Justine

I didn't think the movement cost Serena the match as much as the apparent thumb injury seemed to. I thought Serena moved better than I was expecting, sure she wasn't at peak speed either, but it could have been much much worse too. The issue with the thumb proved a more apparent liability, because she was slicing the backhand so often, and usually dumping them into the net. Even when she did hit over it, it looked more like she was holding onto the racquet with the other hand until the last second and then sort of letting go on the follow through - The fact that she had so few winners from that side, to me is a result of that injury and for Serena to have won with less than her best movement, she really needed to be on with the groundies. With the thumb injury, that just wasn't possible, because she wasn't able to be really aggressive off of that side. I do think for Serena though, it has to be somewhat encouraging that she put up such a close fight given the circumstances she was in even though I'm sure she'll be very disappointed knowing the perfectionist she is!
Jul 5th, 2007 02:55 AM
Sam L
Re: Truth Serena did not believe she could defeat Justine

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Originally Posted by TSequoia01 View Post
But not playing, showing up at slams may get her by everyone else, but not Justine.
Well that's it isn't it? She's gotten away with it in the past but not anymore.

Serena is a naturally talented player. But Justine's worked hard on her game. Very hard. They are the two most talented players in the game right now and hard works is winning out in the end.

If Serena wants to get another 'Serena Slam', she'll have to work harder, play warm-up tournaments and do more. Justine is slightly better at this stage.
Jul 5th, 2007 01:56 AM
sweetpeas
Re: Truth Serena did not believe she could defeat Justine

Not many player"s can or will do what Serena try to do today!
Jul 5th, 2007 01:44 AM
sweetpeas
Re: Truth Serena did not believe she could defeat Justine

i give Serena all my love!!!hOW MANYING player"s can or will do what Serena did today?3 set.one leg one thumblol ,how many?
Jul 5th, 2007 01:32 AM
edith
Re: Truth Serena did not believe she could defeat Justine

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you can't discount the injuries. She didn't even know she would play until the last minute.
But you are right Justine is the new Capriati for Serena. Didn't capriati beat Serena in the QF of RG and Wimbledon in 2001. It's mental for Serena. She doesn't play her game against Justine and lets justine dictate. But just like she did with Capriati I think she will overcome the justine mental hurdle.
No-one, and I mean no-one, will ever trouble Serena as much as Jennifer did. Even in 2002 Serena was brushing everyone aside, except for Jennifer. Serena was playing great in 2002, Jennifer not that well. Despite this, Jennifer always managed to take her to three sets.
Jul 5th, 2007 01:13 AM
Bruno71
Re: Truth Serena did not believe she could defeat Justine

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She came out swinging today. Her first serve was off, but that was it. Her second serve was still very good, and her ground game was very good all through out the first. She was putting tons of pressure on Serena. The nerves kicked in at 51.
I disagree with most of this. I think she was nervous start to finish. She normally makes errors, but I've rarely seen her make them so often on easy put-aways and the like, over the course of an entire match. Maybe a 5 or 6 game string, but rarely this much. Her movement was good but her anticipation was lackluster, and her shotmaking was in turns clueless and brilliant. I do agree her 2nd serve was good a majority of the time, and it may have saved her.
Jul 5th, 2007 01:06 AM
TSequoia01
Re: Truth Serena did not believe she could defeat Justine

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you do know she was only slicing so much cuz she couldn't hit her backhand consistently. Serena wasn't hitting that hard. Too much spin.
And to Bruno:
yes she was playing like that against Molik, etc. But to me she was doing that cuz she was not confident in her ground game and she doesn't need to hit the ball that hard to beat Molike & co. But against the better players she has repeatedly stepped it up. Hit harder/flatter with her balls flying through the court. She did it against Petrova when her back was against the wall. She did it against Jankovic/Sharapova AO and Vaidisova/Sharapova/Peer Miami. But against Justine she hasn't, she's continued to play safer. That has try not to lose mentality feel about it. That's also something she did against Vaidisova in their AO SF. I give her a pass today cuz she was bunting her backhand and/or slicing it all the time. And the few times she hit out on her backhand she clearly hurt her left hand doing so.
Serena was replicating her play at Roland Garris exactly. Her slice was her answer to Justne's slice. Did she have to play that way dunno but only time she goes to it is against justine. Serena has issues against Justine. She is injured in defeat against Justine. When the match is over she has lost her match against Justine. See the problem?
Jul 5th, 2007 01:05 AM
Apoleb
Re: Truth Serena did not believe she could defeat Justine

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All true...but to me, if I have to be honest, that doesn't bode well for her in the final should she make it. You just have to overcome these nerves to win slams, and she seems to only be able to do that at the French lately. I'd like to see Justine come out swinging in the final.
She came out swinging today. Her first serve was off, but that was it. Her second serve was still very good, and her ground game was very good all through out the first. She was putting tons of pressure on Serena. The nerves kicked in at 51.
Jul 5th, 2007 01:02 AM
Bruno71
Re: Truth Serena did not believe she could defeat Justine

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Originally Posted by manatee View Post
you do know she was only slicing so much cuz she couldn't hit her backhand consistently. Serena wasn't hitting that hard. Too much spin.
And to Bruno:
yes she was playing like that against Molik, etc. But to me she was doing that cuz she was not confident in her ground game and she doesn't need to hit the ball that hard to beat Molike & co. But against the better players she has repeatedly stepped it up. Hit harder/flatter with her balls flying through the court. She did it against Petrova when her back was against the wall. She did it against Jankovic/Sharapova AO and Vaidisova/Sharapova/Peer Miami. But against Justine she hasn't, she's continued to play safer. That has try not to lose mentality feel about it. That's also something she did against Vaidisova in their AO SF. I give her a pass today cuz she was bunting her backhand and/or slicing it all the time. And the few times she hit out on her backhand she clearly hurt her left hand doing so.
Yeah, everything you said is correct. It's interesting to note how differently she played against Vaidisova & Peer at AO than in Miami. She just looked like a more confident player against those 2 the second time around. She did look tentative against Justine in Miami and certainly at RG...I think today was her most attacking attempt, (the return on Justine's very first service point was pretty unbelievable) but her body just wouldn't let her accomplish that gameplan.
Jul 5th, 2007 12:52 AM
Bruno71
Re: Truth Serena did not believe she could defeat Justine

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But Justine was nervous. She's a smart girl; she knows how good Serena is on a non-clay surface. She'd never beaten her on anything other than clay. She respects Serena. So today she cameout, she was as nervous as the #1 player playing a Serena would be. She came out less nervous in Miami. Maybe this time around she cared just a bit more.
All true...but to me, if I have to be honest, that doesn't bode well for her in the final should she make it. You just have to overcome these nerves to win slams, and she seems to only be able to do that at the French lately. I'd like to see Justine come out swinging in the final.
Jul 5th, 2007 12:49 AM
vejh
Re: Truth Serena did not believe she could defeat Justine

But Justine was nervous. She's a smart girl; she knows how good Serena is on a non-clay surface. She'd never beaten her on anything other than clay. She respects Serena. So today she cameout, she was as nervous as the #1 player playing a Serena would be. She came out less nervous in Miami. Maybe this time around she cared just a bit more.
Jul 5th, 2007 12:44 AM
Bruno71
Re: Truth Serena did not believe she could defeat Justine

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Originally Posted by harloo View Post
I believe Justine knows Serena is a possible threat everytime she steps on the court against her. So in turn that makes her a bit nervous and less confident in her game at times. It's an interesting dynamic but with the way Serena was moving during this match Justine should of dusted her off in two easy sets.
That's how I felt too...actually not so much about Serena's movement specifically but the general level of play. It bore out the logic that the fit player often is thrown off by the injured player for multiple reasons. I didn't expect that of Justine, and maybe that's why I'm disappointed in her play. I have to give credit to both players for toughing out an unusual match situation.
Jul 5th, 2007 12:44 AM
Donatello
Re: Truth Serena did not believe she could defeat Justine

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Originally Posted by Apoleb View Post
I think there's a much easier answer: Serena hasn't yet found her full groundstroke game. Really, it's not like she played much better in the earlier rounds. She was rallying with Sequera for Christ's sake, and was spinning and slicing a lot. The Serena that won two Wimby's didn't play like that. She punnished everything at first sight. I knew she was going to have trouble against Justine, because Justine's defense is great and can get everything. The only way to beat her was to be a lot more aggressive and atm she's missing that game. If you count down winners besides aces, Justine got 24 and Serena got only 12. Her injuries certainly didn't help her today, but I think she put probably her best performance in this tourney.
It's easier to glorify the past than it is to glorify the present.
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