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Feb 21st, 2010 02:33 PM
spencercarlos
Re: Houston 1989: Seles d. Evert 3-6, 6-1, 6-4

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Originally Posted by trivfun View Post
I think the most telling was Chris made Monica pay for the weak serves at the U.S. Open. I really thought Chris was better off playing in faster surfaces than clay against Monica. She was really laboring at that tournament. and it shouldn't have been close.

Chris didn't mess around in the U.S. Open. Monica can say what she wants about not being the one to be the villain to end her career but Chris went for her shots a little more off her serve. Because in the next year's Australian, Monica started to her serves hard (the first serve).
I have this match, and it was a moonballing Evert for most of the match. Still she worked her way into some winning shots, very smart Evert esque tactics, but mostly it was a "dirty" moonballing stuff.

And in the long run, sorry but Every would have been destroyed by Monica on hard courts much more often than not, becasue that moonballing in the coming years was not longer going to work.
Feb 21st, 2010 02:28 PM
spencercarlos
Re: Houston 1989: Seles d. Evert 3-6, 6-1, 6-4

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Brenda Schultz came around in the 90's a little bit afterwards. This was Monica in 1990. She was kind of like Venus. Great first but a lousy second. However, she would go for aces in the second serve around the 1992 and 1993.
You are way off. Seles had a nice first serve, but her serve was usually one of her weaknesses.

In fact Seles actually started to show a bigger serve at the 1993 Australian Open final where she hit about 5-7 aces. But it was not like she won many free points off her serve.
Feb 21st, 2010 11:38 AM
tommystar
Re: Houston 1989: Seles d. Evert 3-6, 6-1, 6-4

I found an interesting article about Temesvári and the Virginia Slims of Houston 1989.
Hungarian National News-agency reported on 29.04.1989. that after the though battle and sensational win over the 2nd seed and world ranked #6. Zina Garrison, Andrea failed against an easy opponent in the quarterfinal. LOL
Apr 27th, 2007 11:00 PM
PamShriver
Re: Houston 1989: Seles d. Evert 3-6, 6-1, 6-4

Just wanted to add that I really think that when Chrissie picked up the graphite in '84 her clay game became much more vulnerable. Note her losses (granted some have to do with age, but I think a lot of it had to do with a more aggressive style and an adjustment in technique) on clay: Maleeva, Garrison (SHEESH!!! Zina on clay? I would love to see this match just to see what the heck happened here!), Sanchez, Graf ('86 Graf is not the same as '87-onward Graf as she still had no first serve and the forehand and the backhand weren't nearly the weapons they became; Steffi's victory in Hilton Head was won via patience, not pace).

With the switch in raquets I think that Chris became much tougher overall, but more vulnerable with her bread and butter.
Apr 27th, 2007 10:53 PM
PamShriver
Re: Houston 1989: Seles d. Evert 3-6, 6-1, 6-4

I think that Temesvari was considered to be the most physically gifted of the lot (and not just in the looks department). From what I understand her game was not nearly as one dimensional as Rinaldi, Bassett, Bonder etc. However, injuries and I think her father got to her. She began defaulting a LOT in '84 and as you'll note in my book (Passing Shots!!!!) she even defaulted against Graf at Hilton Head in '85 because she was paid a visit by her Aunt Flo. Not particularly professional.

I think during '83 when she really hit her prime she was DESTROYING Rinaldi, Bassett, Gadusek and Bonder by really obnoxious scores like 0 and 1.

The rest of the girls were Chrissie clones and outside of Rinaldi I don't think that any of them had any of her mental gifts, though I think that Basset was pretty tenacious given that her game and physique were none too imposing.
Apr 27th, 2007 10:34 PM
tommystar
Re: Houston 1989: Seles d. Evert 3-6, 6-1, 6-4

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As I recall, Andrea had worked herself back to some decent form. Tommystar, when did she finally give it up?

It'sfunny to see Andrea and Mary Pierce's name in the same draw, let alone palying each other- in my mind they are from 2 different eras.
I don't know excatly, I started follow tennis later.
As I know she worked back herself quite well in 1989 she ended in the top 40, she kept around the top 50 the next half year. When her Mahwah points came off she felt back around No. 140-150. After that she lost many times in the early rounds, had injuries again. At the first half of 93 she fought back to the top 100 around 80es, then slip back in the rangkings at last for a short period Temesvári returned to the top 100 at spring 95, after she won the ITF-tourney in Budapest.

Andrea and Mary did play regulary doubles in 1994, they reached the finals at the Paris Indoors, semis at Houston, and many QFs. They get on well togeother, a few years ago Mary visited Andrea in Budapest, spend a few days here in incognito.
Apr 27th, 2007 04:10 PM
preacherfan
Re: Houston 1989: Seles d. Evert 3-6, 6-1, 6-4

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I totally know where you're coming from with this!

HanaFanGA-Yes, I remember Andrea reaching the Mahwah Final and being surprised at the scoreline. I never got to see Andrea play, either in person or on TV. All I know of her was what I read. I never realised she was playing as late as 91!

I always felt Kathy Rinaldi was the best out of the Temesavri/ Horvath/ Bassett/ Bonder/ Gadusek school of 80's Chrissie clones who briefly made the top 10. Maybe Andrea had the best potential out of all of them?
I saw Temesvari play in the mid-90's at Amelia Island. She was playing doubles. She was fairly effective though not real mobile. She was playing vs. Spirlea and they got into a vicious staring match.

Rinaldi was probably the strongest candidate for a top ten career. After a couple of two really good years, she was sidetracked by an injury that took the life out of her singles career. I think she might have had several years in the top ten. Rinaldi seemed to have a good tennis mind.
Apr 27th, 2007 03:42 PM
BCP
Re: Houston 1989: Seles d. Evert 3-6, 6-1, 6-4

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It's sort of like how I feel surprised when I read that Jennifer Capriati and Lindsay Davenport are actually the same age. Because of Capriati's debut at a very young age and Davenport's not hitting the big time until she was in her early 20s, I always think of them as belonging to two different eras, with Capriati being a part of the Graf/Seles/Sabatini/ASV era, and Davenport the Hingis/WilliamsX2 era. (sort of)
I totally know where you're coming from with this!

HanaFanGA-Yes, I remember Andrea reaching the Mahwah Final and being surprised at the scoreline. I never got to see Andrea play, either in person or on TV. All I know of her was what I read. I never realised she was playing as late as 91!

I always felt Kathy Rinaldi was the best out of the Temesavri/ Horvath/ Bassett/ Bonder/ Gadusek school of 80's Chrissie clones who briefly made the top 10. Maybe Andrea had the best potential out of all of them?
Apr 27th, 2007 02:22 PM
HanaFanGA
Re: Houston 1989: Seles d. Evert 3-6, 6-1, 6-4

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As I recall, Andrea had worked herself back to some decent form. Tommystar, when did she finally give it up?

It'sfunny to see Andrea and Mary Pierce's name in the same draw, let alone palying each other- in my mind they are from 2 different eras.

I remember watching the newspapers eagerly (the things we did pre-internet) looking for Andrea's scores. Because I wanted her to regain her form and get back into the top 15 or so.

I think it was in 1989 that she got to the Mahwah final and lost respectably to Steffi, 7-5, 6-2. Unfortunately, all I ever heard about her in 1990 was that she was wearing Martina's clothing line. Then, I saw her lose badly to Capriati at the 1991 French and badly to Steffi at the US Open later that year. I kept that US Open match because she did hit a few big topspin forehand rippers that she was famous for. But she was definitely well beyond her peak years in terms of confidence and movement.

Andrea is still one of my fav blond bombshells.
Apr 27th, 2007 02:13 PM
samn
Re: Houston 1989: Seles d. Evert 3-6, 6-1, 6-4

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It'sfunny to see Andrea and Mary Pierce's name in the same draw, let alone palying each other- in my mind they are from 2 different eras.
It's sort of like how I feel surprised when I read that Jennifer Capriati and Lindsay Davenport are actually the same age. Because of Capriati's debut at a very young age and Davenport's not hitting the big time until she was in her early 20s, I always think of them as belonging to two different eras, with Capriati being a part of the Graf/Seles/Sabatini/ASV era, and Davenport the Hingis/WilliamsX2 era. (sort of)
Apr 27th, 2007 09:11 AM
BCP
Re: Houston 1989: Seles d. Evert 3-6, 6-1, 6-4

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It's rumored her match vs. Temesvári was a lot closer then the score indicates. In the 2nd set Andrea had all kind of chances, she didn't believed she could lose to a 15-year-old, she almost cried during the match.
As I recall, Andrea had worked herself back to some decent form. Tommystar, when did she finally give it up?

It'sfunny to see Andrea and Mary Pierce's name in the same draw, let alone palying each other- in my mind they are from 2 different eras.
Apr 27th, 2007 04:51 AM
trivfun
Re: Houston 1989: Seles d. Evert 3-6, 6-1, 6-4

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Chris Evert had problems with Monica Seles' serve in 1989. Even though it wasn't hard hit, the spin of the ball gave Evert tremendous trouble.
She had some angles as well at times. especially on the ad court.
Apr 26th, 2007 08:19 PM
tommystar
Re: Houston 1989: Seles d. Evert 3-6, 6-1, 6-4

It's rumored her match vs. Temesvári was a lot closer then the score indicates. In the 2nd set Andrea had all kind of chances, she didn't believed she could lose to a 15-year-old, she almost cried during the match.
Apr 25th, 2007 08:47 AM
samn
Re: Houston 1989: Seles d. Evert 3-6, 6-1, 6-4

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Originally Posted by SelesFan70 View Post
Does anyone know who else Monica beat in Houston? I would love to know the draw?
R32
Chris Evert (1) d. Karen Schimper 6-1 6-2
Kathy Rinaldi d. Michelle Torres 7-5 2-6 6-3
Gretchen Magers d. Iva Budarova 4-6 6-4 6-3
Katrina Adams d. Donna Faber 3-6 7-6 6-3
Lori McNeil (4) d. Elly Hakami 4-6 6-3 6-4
Laxmi Poruri (bye)
Susan Sloane (bye)
Angeliki Kanellopoulou d. Kate Gompert 6-3 6-2
Kimberly Kessaris (bye)
Elise Burgin d. Isabel Cueto 4-6 6-4 6-4
Hu Na d. Maureen Drake 6-2 7-6
Carrie Cunningham d. Katerina Maleeva (3) 4-6 7-5 6-2
Monica Seles d. Mary Lou Daniels 6-2 6-3
Amy Frazier d. Andrea Holikova 6-2 6-2
Andrea Temesvari d. Mary Pierce 6-2 6-3
Zina Garrison (2) d. Mariaan de Swardt 6-2 7-5

R16
Evert (1) d. Rinaldi 6-0 6-3
Magers d. Adams 6-4 6-2
McNeil (4) d. Poruri 7-6 6-4
Sloane d. Kanellopoulou 6-4 3-6 7-5
Kessaris d. Burgin 7-6 6-1
Cunningham d. Na 2-6 6-2 6-4
Seles d. Frazier 5-7 6-4 6-2
Temesvari d. Garrison (2) 6-3 6-7 6-2

QF
Evert (1) d. Magers 7-6 6-3
Sloane d. McNeil 6-2 6-4
Cunningham d. Kessaris (w/o)
Seles d. Temesvari 6-2 7-5

SF
Evert (1) d. Sloane 7-6 6-2
Seles d. Cunningham 6-0 6-1

F
Seles d. Evert (1) 3-6 6-1 6-4
Apr 25th, 2007 04:44 AM
SelesFan70
Re: Houston 1989: Seles d. Evert 3-6, 6-1, 6-4

Does anyone know who else Monica beat in Houston? I would love to know the draw?
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