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Jun 30th, 2014 06:14 PM
gaviotabr
Re: 2014 European spring: Grass is for cows, right?

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Originally Posted by Pops Maellard View Post
Ana was the problem today, not the damn draw .
True.
Jun 30th, 2014 06:14 PM
gaviotabr
Re: 2014 European spring: Grass is for cows, right?

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Originally Posted by RU90 View Post
Will Ana ever get to the point that she can overcome unlucky draws? It really sucks that, despite her resurgence, she is still at the mercy of the tennis gods.

If she wants to get back into the top 10 (and I know she does), these are the kind of matches (vs. Safarova, Lisicki in Grand Slam third round) that she needs to win. I thought she could beat Safaraova and/or Lisicki because she's a different Ana this year.
You make your own luck. As Matt Zemek wisely wrote after Ana's loss to Safarova, and that applies here too:

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TRANSCENDING: WHAT THE GREAT ONES DO… AND IVANOVIC DIDN’T

There’s a story attached to Ivanovic’s loss which is simultaneously simple (on a conceptual level) and immensely complicated (in the realm of detailed analysis).

The simple part of the equation is that great players, even if they find themselves in tricky X-and-O matchups, will prevail by dint of their skill, will, and overall competitive prowess. Serena Williams and Victoria Azarenka do this more often than anyone on the WTA Tour, with Maria Sharapova being the third example. Top-tier careers are built on the foundation of winning lots of matches when an opponent finds a way to make a matchup manageable for an extended period of time, to the extent that the outcome remains uncertain in a second-set tiebreak or a final set after hours of combat.

Let’s put it this way: You might not win most of the time in a bad matchup, but you need to win some of the time, especially when the meaning of the moment is unmistakably large for yourself and your career.

However, great players in both tennis and golf make their names at the majors. These are the four stages each year in which professionals announce their presence as elite competitors, forging legacies that stand above most of their peers. The Xs and Os lined up in favor of Safarova, but this was the time for Ivanovic — who figured out Sharapova, another long-term nemesis, in Rome — to climb higher, to transcend.

She couldn’t, and she really didn’t come close, either.

Yet… there are some occasions when a player must lift everything about oneself — talent, concentration, effort, tactics, the works — over a foe who is particularly suited to cause trouble. For players who have never been able to maintain a home in the top 10 for any appreciable length of time, this expectation really doesn’t apply.

Many will surely disagree, but for a former world No. 1 such as Ivanovic — finally felt to be ready to return to the latter stages of a major in many circles when this tournament began — that kind of expectation seems reasonable and, moreover, appropriate. The application of that standard might indeed be harsh. Scratch that — it is harsh.

It’s also deserved.

Matchups, as much as they matter, should not give a player with world-class capabilities the ability to shrug her shoulders and lament yet another negative twist of fate and fortune.

Greatness overcomes matchups and all other challenges between the painted white lines… not all the time, not even an overwhelming majority of the time, but at least some of the time.

Ana Ivanovic has enjoyed a very good year.

She is still in search of a great one, her first since 2008.

This is how the major tournaments separate the legends from the not-quite legends in tennis.

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If Ana ever wants to be top 10 and deserve it, she needs to make her own luck and not wait for it to fall on her lap. If she indeed is making steps further and is a different Ana to the last 6 years, losses like this are no acceptable. Maybe she just isn't different.. its the same Ana.. and instead of looking at her as having bad luck with these draws.. maybe we should look at her having good luck at the draws she did well at, and that's the only difference..
Jun 30th, 2014 05:14 PM
Lord Choc Ice
Re: 2014 European spring: Grass is for cows, right?

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Originally Posted by RU90 View Post
Will Ana ever get to the point that she can overcome unlucky draws? It really sucks that, despite her resurgence, she is still at the mercy of the tennis gods.

If she wants to get back into the top 10 (and I know she does), these are the kind of matches (vs. Safarova, Lisicki in Grand Slam third round) that she needs to win. I thought she could beat Safaraova and/or Lisicki because she's a different Ana this year.
Ana was the problem today, not the damn draw .
Jun 30th, 2014 05:11 PM
Gentleman
Re: 2014 European spring: Grass is for cows, right?

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Originally Posted by RU90 View Post
Will Ana ever get to the point that she can overcome unlucky draws? It really sucks that, despite her resurgence, she is still at the mercy of the tennis gods.

If she wants to get back into the top 10 (and I know she does), these are the kind of matches (vs. Safarova, Lisicki in Grand Slam third round) that she needs to win. I thought she could beat Safaraova and/or Lisicki because she's a different Ana this year.
She is different Ana, but she is simply not better player than Sabine, on grass.

Safarova is bad match up, but I agree to a certain point it was wasted chance. Much worse than WB IMO.
Jun 30th, 2014 04:57 PM
RU90
Re: 2014 European spring: Grass is for cows, right?

Will Ana ever get to the point that she can overcome unlucky draws? It really sucks that, despite her resurgence, she is still at the mercy of the tennis gods.

If she wants to get back into the top 10 (and I know she does), these are the kind of matches (vs. Safarova, Lisicki in Grand Slam third round) that she needs to win. I thought she could beat Safaraova and/or Lisicki because she's a different Ana this year.
Jun 30th, 2014 04:42 PM
Balltossovic
Re: 2014 European spring: Grass is for cows, right?

We will get over it
Jun 30th, 2014 04:36 PM
dogwonder24
Re: 2014 European spring: Grass is for cows, right?

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Originally Posted by Balltossovic View Post
Did I hope peak Ana would show up and smoke her, of course did I think it would happen, absolutely not
The loss was not that hurtful though. This is grass, at least Ana showed up her fighting skill in the 2nd set. Not like that in the FO where she was so clueless against Lucie And Sabine is just too good on grass. And Ana clueless too, didn't know what to do in that third set.

1 month of no tennis
Jun 30th, 2014 04:33 PM
Balltossovic
Re: 2014 European spring: Grass is for cows, right?

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I know you're sad deep inside
Did I hope peak Ana would show up and smoke her, of course did I think it would happen, absolutely not
Jun 30th, 2014 04:31 PM
dogwonder24
Re: 2014 European spring: Grass is for cows, right?

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So glad I didn't wake up for this bullshit
I know you're sad deep inside
Jun 30th, 2014 04:15 PM
Balltossovic
Re: 2014 European spring: Grass is for cows, right?

So glad I didn't wake up for this bullshit
Jun 30th, 2014 04:06 PM
dogwonder24
Re: 2014 European spring: Grass is for cows, right?

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Originally Posted by gaviotabr View Post
You do know race rankings are the same as the official ranking by end of the year right?
No But now, I know

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Originally Posted by Cp6uja View Post
So proud on Ana today before rain stopped match. Probably hers career best set on grassFor Singapore Ana needs to reach TOP8, so of course TOP8 > TOP10... but real formula which should to make us sad is GS-SF >>>> TOP10, and today Ana find 3rd time this season to not use hers opportunity to reach GS SF.
That is so impossible if she ain't making QF or SF again in a GS
Jun 30th, 2014 04:05 PM
Gentleman
Re: 2014 European spring: Grass is for cows, right?

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Originally Posted by Hugues Daniel View Post
You guess that Masha is last of my list.

I'd be delighted to see Aga, Lucie, Eugenie or Simona winning this. Aga especially would be a dream come true.
Radwanska probably has chances. I don't see Bouchard beating Maria. Simona plays decent on grass, but I don't think it's enough to win the title, she'll probably lose to Lisicki. Safarova would be Marion style totally.
Jun 30th, 2014 04:05 PM
Panther24
Re: 2014 European spring: Grass is for cows, right?

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Originally Posted by Milan. View Post

But theoretically you need to be in top 8 if you want YEC, so he's right.
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Originally Posted by Unnoticed View Post
Wut? I thought players inside the top 10 of the "Race to Singapore" rankings are counted?

Can you two please enlighten me and name one player outside of the Top 10 that was Top 8 in the race by the time the qualification to the YEC closed?
Jun 30th, 2014 04:01 PM
Hugues Daniel
Re: 2014 European spring: Grass is for cows, right?

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Originally Posted by Evan James View Post
I also can't be supportive with Lisicki because, it becomes really obvious that she doesn't care for the rest of the season. Only wants that WB title. It's ok though, if she's the best on grass, give it to her, but I can't really find anything that would make me support that kind of player. I would not write off her chances here, but I want Maria Sharapova to win Wimbledon again. And I want it now.
You guess that Masha is last of my list.

I'd be delighted to see Aga, Lucie, Eugenie or Simona winning this. Aga especially would be a dream come true.
Jun 30th, 2014 04:00 PM
Gentleman
Re: 2014 European spring: Grass is for cows, right?

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Originally Posted by Cajka View Post
but, what can you do? create a new ranking list for every month?

Anyway, I want her to earn that top 10 spot. Win Cincy or that other MM Canadian event... beat the bitch in the final in front of her home crowd, have sex with Bieber just to make her feel even worse. IDK, do something, Ana, just please get the right attitude, find some killer instinct.
LOL

I got your point, but I still think Ana earned that top 10 spot. It would not be unfair to see her at #10 on Monday. Girl has 3 titles in less than 6 months and some good results at premiers.

The problem is ofcourse, that she wont held it for too long if she doesn't play good in USO series, but I think she will. Lisicki is good grass player, unlike Ana who is still grass player in the making. I think she will not be too disappointed. Probably pissed of for couple of days, but she'll be ready for hard courts.
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