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Jun 26th, 2013 12:19 PM
Rollo
Re: Words of Wisdom from Margaret Court

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Does anyone know if the GOAT will be at Wimbledon 2013?

No idea Alex. With the King-Riggs anniversary coming up I would imagine Mags would have to field many questions about the Mother's Day Massacre. And then there would be the inevitable questions about Serena if the press wants to stir something.

Hard to imagine the 1973 US Open-her last slam-will soon be 40 years ago!
Jun 26th, 2013 09:54 AM
Alex Orr
Re: Words of Wisdom from Margaret Court

Does anyone know if the GOAT will be at Wimbledon 2013?
Mar 11th, 2008 04:33 PM
Jem
Re: Words of Wisdom from Margaret Court

I've just acquired a couple of Margaret Court autobiographies: Court on Court and Keeping the Faith. I look forward to seeing her perspective on her career from two very different times.
Mar 11th, 2008 04:28 AM
daze11
Re: Words of Wisdom from Margaret Court

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Originally Posted by Jem View Post
Excellent analysis. It just so happens that last night, I watched Chris Evert's 1983 semifinal with Kate Latham from the VS of Los Angeles. OK, it was Kate Latham, so Chris pretty much had her way. But it really gave you a chance to see the both the strategic and tactical Chris and her ability to work over an opponent and the astounding variety she had in her game. It was a sublime performance against an overmatched opponent.
My own game seems to be strategically stuck these days, so I'm looking for any help I can get! I may have to pull out the Goolagong-Evert '75 U.S. Open final or their exhibition from 1981 or 1982 on clay, which was a great three setter. For some reason, my own game seems to improve dramatically after I watch those two matches.
so glad you mentioned that match jem, it is one of my favorites. I KNOW its just kate latham, but MAN chris was feeling good that day. I mean she tore threw a lot of lesser players than kate latham and by worse scores, but rarely was she such a pleasure to watch than in that match. Even mary carillo said, 'chris really is giving us a full look at the variety of her arsenal today - it is hard to imagine even martina navratilova could possibly beat her playing like this' which was a big statement to make, considering it was 1983 amidst probably about 9 or 10 of those straight losses to MN.

I hear you of course about the wood racquet in the other post...but my point of course was that wood makes it difficult and that is WHY it is preferrable. Tennis is a sport and a discipline. It is not supposed to be made EASIER, you are supposed to have to focus and reach deeper than simply the ease of wacking away at the ball with wide margins for error...which is like having training wheels on your bike. They dont try to make judo or kung fu EASIER ... the 'artist' of the sport is supposed to make it easier by focusing and becoming better through that challenge.

This is the primary thing that I see as lost in the contemporary game. And its great you mentioned chris' performance of that very variety in the los angeles semi...because she was only to play a handful of tournaments with wood ever again. Her game became a tad more aggressive but much stiffer ever more.
Mar 8th, 2008 12:35 AM
alfajeffster
Re: Words of Wisdom from Margaret Court

I can really relate to the old racquet/old game syndrome! I can still pick up my trusty old Dunlop 200G and within minutes start smacking forehand winners from anywhere on the court. Trouble is, my 46 year old arm falls off and I find it under the bed the next morning cold and several shades of mauve. The re-attachment ceremony alone precludes any chance of conversation before massive amounts of ibuprofen and coffee. Oh how great I used to be with that frame!
Mar 7th, 2008 04:05 PM
laschutz
Re: Words of Wisdom from Margaret Court

hi everyone! a few of my thoughts on this thread!

1)i saw the youtube video on margaret and it looks like she is happy with her life nowadays! while i don't condone in any way her disdain and moral judgement of people of other persuasions, it's good to see a former champion happy in her later years and content. i always worry about former champions whether in tennis or any sport and how they adjust to losing their youth,their skills and their fame and what they do to be happy for the rest of their lives! remember you a pro athlete for only 5 to 20 years of your life after that your still a person who has to go on!

2)speaking of racquets, it's funny last year i started playing and teaching again tennis which i hadn't played in years ( at least a decade) i tried a few of the new racquets and HATED THEM!! they were so light they felt like "toy" racquets and so powerful, i felt like if i just barely swung my shots were flying out! so i got out my old 1987 kennex pro graphite racket and WOW! it felt good! i actually hit the ball awesomely and it felt right! heavier yes,but i could actually swing thru the ball and my shots were landing in! also i could feel the ball hitting the center of the racquet/strings every time whereas the new racquets i never got that feeling and didn't know where the ball was actually hitting the strings! i must say everyone else noticed the dramatic change and improvement when i played with my old trusty kennex. and yes, my groundies not only were way more accurate but i could swing freely and rip the cover off the ball!!of course some suggested it might be a big psychological but i don't know about that! also i might add, over the years the extra weight i've gain put alot more power in my groundies too!laugh! as far as wood,no, i wouldn't want to go back to that,it would feel like hitting a ball with a piece ole piece of plywood! i know because i was young enough (or old enough) to remember my first racquets were wood, but i would advocate decreasing the size and power of today's rackets!
Mar 7th, 2008 02:46 PM
Jem
Re: Words of Wisdom from Margaret Court

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One reason i relate so much to Chris is that i think, really, we have very similar natural instincts on a tennis court, because we're not that similar in life. And I can say, for me, I'm good because I'm so good at what i love doing. Chris was the same. She LOVED the variety of shots from the back of the court (inside-out sidespin on the forehand, then a drive, then a change of pace lob, then a drop, then a down the line screamer...this is so engaging for someone with these inclinations.)
Excellent analysis. It just so happens that last night, I watched Chris Evert's 1983 semifinal with Kate Latham from the VS of Los Angeles. OK, it was Kate Latham, so Chris pretty much had her way. But it really gave you a chance to see the both the strategic and tactical Chris and her ability to work over an opponent and the astounding variety she had in her game. It was a sublime performance against an overmatched opponent.
My own game seems to be strategically stuck these days, so I'm looking for any help I can get! I may have to pull out the Goolagong-Evert '75 U.S. Open final or their exhibition from 1981 or 1982 on clay, which was a great three setter. For some reason, my own game seems to improve dramatically after I watch those two matches.
Mar 7th, 2008 02:30 PM
Jem
Re: Words of Wisdom from Margaret Court

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Originally Posted by alfajeffster View Post
"On court, with the combination of her strength and indefatigable attitude, she was like a bull mastiff in the same cage with a white mouse. The outcome wouldn't depend on the other player's level of brilliance that day. You could be playing your best, she could be slightly off, but somehow, however close to the precipice she came, she seldom fell off...

...I remember playing her in the semifinal of Forest Hills in 1969, on a court squelching with rain. Neither of us was great, we were very even. I led 5-4 and 40-0 on her serve. She came up with a series of points that totally ignored my presence on the other side of the net. From then on she never put a foot wrong and I was wiped out. Her performances were of a predictably indominatable level. She would always say, 'Two hours a day isn't very long to concentrate"- VIRGINIA WADE
What a superb quote and a testament to someone's strength. Believe it or not, I used to have this kind of mental fortitude (you know, on a recrational level!) Today, it's all the more a matter of confidence. If I'm playing well, I'm mentally tough. If the serve's a bit off, my forehand is flailing or my backhand is non-existent, I can no longer summon up the will to win.
What amazes me the most about the top players is their consistentcy in winning. Man, that takes all kinds of mental fortitude. I keep track of all my matches, and I win a little bit over 50 percent of my matches. I'm amazed at the matches I lose that I should have won -- usually against players that I've dominated before but simply can't find the ability to concentrate for the necessary 90 minutes to 2 hours.
When I think about my own experience, it simply puts into perspective how well the top players are. What Federer has done recently is unreal. Thinking about the year Connors had in '74 (99-4), and all those wins that Court, Evert chalked up against so few lossses -- it really gives you a sense of just how great these players (and others) are. Just winning three of every four matches is an amazing feat, but when you consider that Evert and Court won nine of every 10 they played, it's staggering!
Mar 7th, 2008 02:14 PM
Jem
Re: Words of Wisdom from Margaret Court

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THIS THREAD:
Words of Wisdom from Margaret Court

since, personal experience is the most convincing teacher, i invite anyone who hasn't played with a wood racquet (or at least not recently) to go give it a try. As they say in real estate, "See & Compare"...
This past Sunday, my mixed doubles team played a round robin with wood rackets to celebrate the end of our season. I brought out my "favorite" racket of all time -- a Bjorn Bog Bancroft (remember when he played with Bancroft in the States and Donnay everywhere else). Needless to say, it has been more than 20 years since I last played with the racket, as it now hangs on the wall in my library (steel press and all)!
Can't say I would advocate going back to wood after the hit. It's amazing how easier it is to play the game today with the new racket technology. You can hit shots with it that simply don't come as easy as with the wood. I play with a fair amount of touch and variety, and I just couldn't control the ball with wood (although in my younger days, I did fairly well with wood). I've definitely become a better tennis player (regardless of the racket) as I've aged, but you can do things with the rackets we have today that is much more difficult with wood.
Plus the head size is so much different with wood -- so much smaller and I play only with a mid-size.
It really gave me that much more respect for the technical greatness of yesterday's greats. That's not a diss of today's players. They have their own technical strengths. Wood, however, really made for a different game than what we have today.
Mar 7th, 2008 06:29 AM
trivfun
Re: Words of Wisdom from Margaret Court

Margaret Court is the biggest accomplished hypocrite when it comes to sportsmanship and sexuality.
Mar 7th, 2008 01:42 AM
Rollo
Re: Words of Wisdom from Margaret Court

Found this Margaret Court tribute on YouTube-it has colorshots of her in action, snippets of the 1970 final vs King, as a rare second or two of her winning the US Nationals over Darlene Hard in 1962 (her first slam outside the Aussie).

The piece also features her thoughts on the modern game, shows her with her grandkids, and ends with the Rev giving a sermon!

Here's the link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDHul...eature=related
Apr 19th, 2004 06:03 PM
alfajeffster You have me at a disadvantage, Rollo. I left my copy of "Court on Court" in a hotel room in Reno/Tahoe last November, and haven't been able to read it (for the umpteenth time) in the past 6 months. Madge could be quite catty, when she chose to speak. Fortunately for her, she was more often a very shy and quiet girl- very self-conscious about her body. The press used to call her the "amazon" when she was dominating back in the early to mid 60s, and I think it really stung her. Next to Serena or Martina, she looks absolutely lithe by todays standards!

I'd be interested to see what you can dig up out of that "The Margaret Smith Story" copy you have in your basement. I've never read it.
Apr 19th, 2004 11:49 AM
jeanmi18
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Originally Posted by Rollo
Can't recall exactly where the remark about two well lesbians came from-she said "when I first came on tour " though-which is what inclined me towards Bueno and Hard. I don't recall her being critical of the pair-she just stated it as fact.

Most of my books are packed away at the moment, but this is from her second book, Court on Court


On her Aussie upset win of 1960 over Bueno

page 26: "Maria shook hands with me and without saying a word dissapeared into the locker room. ...When I finally went into the locker room maria was in tears. She didn't say a word to me then or at any time before I left for Australia. I was shocked that a world champion could behave so badly in defeat."

page 26-7 "So Maria had a double reason for taking an intense dislike towards me.....[because Bueno was seeeking the grand slam. Court then goes on to say a GS is now worth 125,000]. ..I shudder to think how Maria would have treated me if i had robbed her of a chance for such a prize back in 1960.

The match in Brisbane was the start of long, bitter rivalry...

Not exactly Chris and Martina-is it? Court isn't venemous as she is towards Billie Jean, but I don't detect any warmth. With Court activelly disliking Bueno's best buddy (and according to TVideos they were girlfriends) Darlene Hard AND Mags challenging Bueno as #1 is it any wonder they wern't close?

Perhaps her first bio (the Margaret Smith story) will have more.

"When I finally went into the locker room I found Maria ....." what a disappointment? I thought she found Maria in the shower with another player, if it was only in tears, what's the big matter?

More seriously, what did Madge say about BJK?
Apr 9th, 2004 05:14 AM
Rollo Can't recall exactly where the remark about two well lesbians came from-she said "when I first came on tour " though-which is what inclined me towards Bueno and Hard. I don't recall her being critical of the pair-she just stated it as fact.

Most of my books are packed away at the moment, but this is from her second book, Court on Court


On her Aussie upset win of 1960 over Bueno

page 26: "Maria shook hands with me and without saying a word dissapeared into the locker room. ...When I finally went into the locker room maria was in tears. She didn't say a word to me then or at any time before I left for Australia. I was shocked that a world champion could behave so badly in defeat."

page 26-7 "So Maria had a double reason for taking an intense dislike towards me.....[because Bueno was seeeking the grand slam. Court then goes on to say a GS is now worth 125,000]. ..I shudder to think how Maria would have treated me if i had robbed her of a chance for such a prize back in 1960.

The match in Brisbane was the start of long, bitter rivalry...

Not exactly Chris and Martina-is it? Court isn't venemous as she is towards Billie Jean, but I don't detect any warmth. With Court activelly disliking Bueno's best buddy (and according to TVideos they were girlfriends) Darlene Hard AND Mags challenging Bueno as #1 is it any wonder they wern't close?

Perhaps her first bio (the Margaret Smith story) will have more.
Apr 8th, 2004 05:51 PM
alfajeffster
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Originally Posted by daze11
alfajeffster, you are always included. and yes, you are so right - it goes on a bit, but i think the initial statements are on the first page. i put the link there to keep the tennis from the lady separated, and the topic separated to the existing thread as well, BTW.
Is that anything like the separation between church and state?
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