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Yesterday 08:41 PM
améliemomo
Re: Caroline Garcia

One last thing to conclude and close this discussion

you mentioned Na Li and Stanislas Wawrinka as peaked late, that's true but they managed to win slams and become top players by chosing the right persons to work with

great coachs with special way of working, very tough one

they changed the way they used to be but they WANTED it badly
Yesterday 08:01 PM
nazzac
Re: Caroline Garcia

Two completely different players.

Woz shot up very quick. She was number 1 very young and became a celebrity, got with McIlroy etc....

Garcia's career has been a slow, gradual rise up the rankings that in my opinion has not reached it's climax. She has also not reached the fame of Woz, nowhere near

You may think otherwise, which is fine by me, everyone is entitled to their opinion. But my opinion is that Caro will have a good career and will achieve big success. It might take a while, but i do believe she will happen. She is a work in progress, and maybe her stint at the top will not be a long one, but i believe she will make it and do some special things whilst there.

I am not disagreeing with your points entirely. I just believe in her. I think she will figure it out eventually, whatever 'it' is of course. It might be a change in coach, or it might just take 1 result to changer her career. I guess we will have to wait and see
Yesterday 06:47 PM
améliemomo
Re: Caroline Garcia

well I want to compare her with Caroline Wozniacki concerning their dad and the coaching issue

the danish girl was born to become a top player, that's what she wanted and she worked for
as Caroline Garcia she IS the one who wants her dad to be her coach, she tried different other coachs, great and successful one(sanchez vicario, hogstedt, kotyza)
those collaboration NEVER LAST. Why?
she was very successful, reached world n°1 but never won a slam

the best players are the one who are able to think wisely and make the right choice. Wozniacki is 26 now, losing to tennagers up and coming players...
Her peak is behind her imo cause she wasnt good enough. She's "only" 26.

act when you have to, don't wait cause maybe you wont have another chance. Live the day, the present life. You dont know what comes after.
Yesterday 05:46 PM
nazzac
Re: Caroline Garcia

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Originally Posted by améliemomo View Post
I agree with you when you say she is "mentally a young girl" and she proved it again in fer FB page

posting a pic of her little dog saying how much she miss him and would like to have it with her...
but she has to connect with that "tough reality" which is the professional tennis world, young or mature
In all honesty, i like that about her. Now i hate dogs, but her relationship with her dog reminds me of a friend of mine.

I would rather her not connect with this 'tough reality' and become a robot if it means losing what in my mind is the reason why i like her so much.


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Originally Posted by améliemomo View Post
I dont agree with you about having dad around her along side with a real coach. I don't think this coach would be "free" and succesful with someone from "the outside" interfering with him.
It didn't work with the coach she had before that match against Sharapova at Roland Garros. This coach who is now working for the canadian federation of tennis said that it was "nearly impossible" to work with caroline, she was complaining a lot and her dad permanently interfering with her training.
I am trying to find a happy medium because i don't see Caroline getting rid of dad anytime soon. She was 17 when that Sharapova match happened, maybe it would be different now?

Caroline is still mentally young, but i think she has come a long way since then. I will openly admit that i thought she was a brat when she was young and it was not until i saw what she was like off court that i started to like her, but i believe she has improved. I see that in her behaviour now.

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Originally Posted by améliemomo View Post
well she has to know what she REALLY wants. Staying with dad because when she cries she knows he'll always be there and agree with her at the end
She needs to grow up cause she cant impose herself in the tour without making all the hard work the tour needs. Dad is not a coach, HE IS NOT A COACH
This is a "problem" cause to reach the top she'll need someone else. That's reality. Like it or not. It's been more than 5 years since that "big exposure" at Roland Garros against Sharapova and those comments from Andy Murray and Martina Navratilova

she decided to "close herself" , may have felt fear cause it is big expectations BUT those people would have not said such a thing if she hasnt what it takes to suceed. She has to BELIEVE in herself and be ready to do EVERYTHING to get to the highest level

but does she really want that?should question herself and be honest cause staying a liitle girl ok but till when?does she want to finish her career like many french players with regrets?
Like i say, Caro is still growing as a person and a player. She is only 22, she has plenty of time to be successful. I mean look at Wawrinka and Li Na. They peaked later on in their careers, Caro could possibly do the same.

Things might work out in the end with her and dad, who knows? She might get worse with another coach, we can't predict these things. Tennis is a funny sport like that.

But she is 22. I don't think there is any reason to write her and dad off yet. If she reaches 24-25 and she has not improved then there may be reason to start worrying.

But for now, i believe we should give her time.
Yesterday 05:07 PM
améliemomo
Re: Caroline Garcia

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Originally Posted by nazzac View Post
(4)Radwanska v Q
Broady v Q
Siniakova v Bouchard
Parmentier v (25)Garcia
(20)Bertens v Konjuh
Nara v Voegele
Peng v Lepchenko
Diatchenko v (15)Bacsinszky

Why does Caro always draw Aga

Should win the opening round. From there, i don't know
not sure she ll beat parmentier after that loss against flipkens

not sure about anything right now with her.

the only "positive" thing is her being seeded that high in a slam.
Yesterday 04:59 PM
améliemomo
Re: Caroline Garcia

I agree with you when you say she is "mentally a young girl" and she proved it again in fer FB page

posting a pic of her little dog saying how much she miss him and would like to have it with her...
but she has to connect with that "tough reality" which is the professional tennis world, young or mature

she'll turn 23 and her entourage is not what we can say "at the level" to become a GOAT.
Many observers see her as a very gifted player but she still sticking to her "junior times"

I dont agree with you about having dad around her along side with a real coach. I don't think this coach would be "free" and succesful with someone from "the outside" interfering with him.
It didn't work with the coach she had before that match against Sharapova at Roland Garros. This coach who is now working for the canadian federation of tennis said that it was "nearly impossible" to work with caroline, she was complaining a lot and her dad permanently interfering with her training.

well she has to know what she REALLY wants. Staying with dad because when she cries she knows he'll always be there and agree with her at the end
She needs to grow up cause she cant impose herself in the tour without making all the hard work the tour needs. Dad is not a coach, HE IS NOT A COACH
This is a "problem" cause to reach the top she'll need someone else. That's reality. Like it or not. It's been more than 5 years since that "big exposure" at Roland Garros against Sharapova and those comments from Andy Murray and Martina Navratilova

she decided to "close herself" , may have felt fear cause it is big expectations BUT those people would have not said such a thing if she hasnt what it takes to suceed. She has to BELIEVE in herself and be ready to do EVERYTHING to get to the highest level

but does she really want that?should question herself and be honest cause staying a liitle girl ok but till when?does she want to finish her career like many french players with regrets?
Yesterday 04:42 PM
nazzac
Re: Caroline Garcia

(4)Radwanska v Q
Broady v Q
Siniakova v Bouchard
Parmentier v (25)Garcia
(20)Bertens v Konjuh
Nara v Voegele
Peng v Lepchenko
Diatchenko v (15)Bacsinszky

Why does Caro always draw Aga

Should win the opening round. From there, i don't know
Yesterday 03:51 PM
nazzac
Re: Caroline Garcia

The thing with Caro is that to me, she is still a work in progress. Like i have said, i believe she is a few years behind her development because she is still mentally a young girl.

I think in her mind, she needs dad. I don't think she needs to get rid of him completely, i think she needs someone to work alongside him who knows a little more about Tennis. Her dad still needs to be there for 'psychological support', and if that could mix with a more technical coach, or someone who knows tactics then we might have a winning formula.

But i am convinced Caroline wants to have success with her dad, so those expecting her to eventually try something else may be disappointed.

I believe her game is good enough. Her problems lie in her mind. She is her own worst enemy in that regard. She is also very emotional, and that holds her back too.

But like i said in the match thread on GM, i wouldn't change who Caro is for 20 grand slams. I like the fact she is a a normal person who is a pro tennis player and that you can relate to her. If you tell me that she has to become a boring robot who i can't relate to in order to have success, i would say no. I want Caro to succeed being who she is, and i still believe that is possible. It might take a few years, but i still have belief in her. It may only take one great run for her career to change
Yesterday 03:08 PM
améliemomo
Re: Caroline Garcia

just to let you know, Marion Bartoli was herself kind of harsh to Caroline saying that when Caro plays good she can reach high level but when she get tense she doesnt manage to get back on track.

she said with all Caro skills, Marion would have not won "1 slam but 10!
being ranked 33 at 21 yo it must be a nightmare for her,we all see that she's trying but she doesnt understand why she doesnt make it anymore. It must be horrible to live. Marion saying when she didnt make it she knew exactly why, that's the reason why Caro is upset

Marion said Caro needs a change in her entourage
about her opinion on Caroline's dad as a coach :" her dad I loove him but I dont think he has the same tennis knowledge as my dad.
My dad can sit with any coach of the tour, he would be at the level. Caroline's dad gives her a psychological support but I think she really must be arounded by a tennistical team. If she manages to canalize all this, she can be between 7 and 10 in the ranking."

it was an interview Marion Bartoli gave last year after Caroline Roland Garros 1st round loss against Donna Vekic
Bartoli allume Garcia - WTA - We love tennis !
Aug 24th, 2016 10:01 PM
nazzac
Re: Caroline Garcia

On the more positive note, she has a good rest and time to prepare for the more important tournament next week.

Whilst i would love to see her not get upset and angry, i suppose it does show that she cares about winning and getting results. That is only part of the battle though, she has to channel that more positively than we saw today.

I still see Caro as someone who is growing as a person and tennis player. The foundations/basics are there, it is just piecing the rest of her. That may take some time, or might never happen at all.

It feels like she is still a teenager in terms of her development. I have always said she will be a late bloomer, so we will see.
Aug 24th, 2016 09:38 PM
améliemomo
Re: Caroline Garcia

well like I said last week, better stop playing tennis and make something else. It would be more "adult"

but being like that like a poor thing, about to cry at the end like a little girl
I say it is ENOUGH! she lost the mental battle beacuse too much negativity.
she lost to players she beat earlier so the main problem is in her head, simple as that!
even when her dad speack she barely look at him, Oh my God this image of her head down and shoulders!

If I were her coach I would tell her that same thing I told you but as her dad he just can not
what a shame really, that's why players should never work with their family.
Vaidisova admit it recently. And where is she now? retired not being able to hold a racket anymore
if Caroline wants to be a crybaby, she'll regret it cause this career is short, dont forget it. No time for crying!
Aug 24th, 2016 09:23 PM
nazzac
Re: Caroline Garcia

Yeah, Caroline's attitude in this match was not very good.

I was a bit disappointed because in recent years she has toned down that behaviour a lot, but she got down and frustrated today which cost her.

Very predictable collapse after failing to take set points in the 2nd.

Caroline's game wasn't quite there. Flipkens was getting the better of the rallies on the most part, so Caro's success came down to her first shot (Serve and return). Return was poor barring a few exceptions, and she served at a low %. Her good second serve kept her out of trouble, but Flipkens got a better read of it as the match went on and put Caro under more pressure.

Overall Flipkens deserved the win. I am not optimistic about her US Open, i just don't see Caro being in the right place to do anything here.
Aug 24th, 2016 09:15 PM
améliemomo
Re: Caroline Garcia

lost 6 and 5

well... I wont be kind with her, I prefer to be direct here

Caroline is going nowhere with that attitude. She is there without "believing" in herself
what this head down means? seems like she has all the misfortune of the world!
COME ON! She is young, healthy and talented, being in the top30 of the sport with so much potential
what are she doing now?
her dad said to her to be more positive and believe the victory to be hers, to go fight and grab it!
No she was too busy having this head and shoulders down like she is "COSETTE" from "les Miserables"!

I wont be kind to her cause it is enough being so childich at her age, there is worst than losing tennis matchs, there are so many people starving to be at her place, traveling around the world and making their life making sport and gain much money

so stop acting this poor girl and take your life on the right track!go and free yourself. Even the handshake was annoying!

Reveille toi bon sang!c'est juste ridicule à ce niveau la!pête un coup et ouvre toi de ta coquille!
Aug 24th, 2016 09:40 AM
Jow 3rd after noon local time, will be streamed this time. Go get the win Caroline !
Aug 24th, 2016 01:31 AM
Invisible Fan
Re: Caroline Garcia

A great chance here for Caro to get back to back wins. Then the winner to play Aga in the quarter finals.
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