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Oct 11th, 2015 07:59 AM
sdtoot
Re: The Official PAW (Pick-A-Winner) Rules and FAQ'S

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wojtek View Post
The case- Seoul and Guangzhou

In Seoul and Guangzhou we had less than 12 players and events weren't cancelled. We got 0 points despite event wasn't cancelled.
There is no rule that players got 0 points when event was played and there was less than 12 players.

PAW board what do you think about this case? We need strong board because now is a mess and this game will die very fastly.

Clearly, PAW tournaments with 10 and 4 players should never have taken place and should have been cancelled/merged but since they did take place then in my opinion the ranking points should be awarded.

As a board member I apologise for not being able to dedicate any time to the game recently.
Oct 11th, 2015 06:04 AM
Wojtek
Re: The Official PAW (Pick-A-Winner) Rules and FAQ'S

The case- Seoul and Guangzhou

In Seoul and Guangzhou we had less than 12 players and events weren't cancelled. We got 0 points despite event wasn't cancelled.
There is no rule that players got 0 points when event was played and there was less than 12 players.

PAW board what do you think about this case? We need strong board because now is a mess and this game will die very fastly.


Jun 11th, 2014 07:47 PM
bgbgbg
Re: The Official PAW (Pick-A-Winner) Rules and FAQ'S

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Originally Posted by jrm View Post
something that i came up a few times in tournaments, players posting PAWs when they weren't committed or haven't asked for WC, you cannot expect that the picks count if you ask for WC several hours later or even one day later, first commit or ask for WC, then start pick, different order and the picks won't count!
Hi jrm,
There is actually a new rule from this year, stating that you are not obliged to ask for a WC.
You can see the last sentence in the first post here:
Quote:
If a player posts PAW picks without a commitment or a WC request, then the PAW Manager shall automatically allocate a Wildcard to any ‘non-committed’ player who post picks onto the tournament thread. (providing that a player is eligible to receive a Wildcard).
Thanks a lot for helping us with managing Birmingham
Jun 9th, 2014 10:49 AM
jrm
Re: The Official PAW (Pick-A-Winner) Rules and FAQ'S

something that i came up a few times in tournaments, players posting PAWs when they weren't committed or haven't asked for WC, you cannot expect that the picks count if you ask for WC several hours later or even one day later, first commit or ask for WC, then start pick, different order and the picks won't count!
Jan 5th, 2013 11:18 PM
sdtoot
Re: The Official PAW (Pick-A-Winner) Rules and FAQ'S

From the PAW Rules in post #1 of this thread:-

> You cannot post two PAW picks for the same match. i.e. PAW10 Safina over Kuznetsova, PAW11 Kuznetsova over Safina. In this case, both picks will be declared invalid and may be replaced.
Jan 5th, 2013 10:43 PM
purtov
Re: The Official PAW (Pick-A-Winner) Rules and FAQ'S

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuckii View Post
Code:
PAW10: Hampton over Radwanska 
PAW11: Wickmayer over Barthel
PAW12: Barthel over Wickmayer
Is this way of picking valid?
Code:
PAW10: Hampton over Radwanska
If the manager uses Evita's Templates, it deletes a symbol ":".
Code:
PAW10: Hampton over A.Radwanska
Here the manager deletes ":" and "A.".
For simplification of work of the manager write so:
Code:
PAW10 Hampton over Radwanska
Two picks on one match (PAW11 and PAW12) are invalid.
Jan 5th, 2013 12:33 PM
rrfnpump
Re: The Official PAW (Pick-A-Winner) Rules and FAQ'S

no.
Jan 4th, 2013 03:12 PM
Tuckii
Re: The Official PAW (Pick-A-Winner) Rules and FAQ'S

Code:
PAW10: Hampton over Radwanska 
PAW11: Wickmayer over Barthel
PAW12: Barthel over Wickmayer
Is this way of picking valid?
Jul 14th, 2012 07:23 AM
purtov
Re: The Official PAW (Pick-A-Winner) Rules and FAQ'S

Quote:
Originally Posted by bgbgbg View Post
purtov, I am aware of what the manager has to do. Although I am very busy in the last years and just play, I have also managed a few tournaments in the past... However I would say PAW is a game that should be enjoyed by the players, not by the managers; respectively the rules should make it more enjoyable for the players and not easier for the managers. PAW is a game very close to the real WTA tour and this is the reason for having the commitments! Otherwise we can just sign in the tournaments' threads with the message "in", as in other games here.
Nevertheless there are tournaments in which in general there is no registration, even messages 'in'. Registration considers PAW01.
PAW it is pleasant for players? PAW tries to reduce number of players. Some people addressed to me with a question about PAW. When they learned, that two months it is necessary to be engaged in a spam or flud, their interest vanished...
Jul 14th, 2012 06:52 AM
purtov
Re: The Official PAW (Pick-A-Winner) Rules and FAQ'S

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Originally Posted by sdtoot
I strongly believe that the existing 9pm CET deadline is a good compromise which has worked well for many years and the players have learned to live with this deadline.
I agree on 100 %!

Unfortunately, I did not know about long-term tradition, and did not guess, that any significance is attached to it.
I did not gather to change anything at all. Only the single variation facilitating a life to me and several late...

Now item 18 is changed, and I hope, that no discussions in the future on subject matter of a deadline will exist.

Shaun, small question: whether there is a main arbitrator or organizing committee?
If yes, who personally?
Jul 13th, 2012 09:30 PM
sdtoot
Re: The Official PAW (Pick-A-Winner) Rules and FAQ'S

Firstly, may I say that the only game on the forum which is truely close to the real WTA Tour is Tennis Tipping which uses player rankings and real commitments to determine which players can play in certain tournaments.

Saying that PAW is a game which should be enjoyed by the players, not the managers is a rather sensitive issue. As we all know, PAW has struggled over the years to attract enough managers to run the games - only this week, purtov had to step in at the last hour to run PAW Stanford and he/she has very kindly volunteered to run a lot of PAW tournaments this year due to lack of managers. Therefore, I strongly feel that the PAW rules should be geared towards making the PAW Management task as easily as possible in order that we can encourage more new managers into the game.

With regards to the existing 9pm CET commitment deadline for PAW tournaments, I don't ever remember this being a major issue with both managers and players over the past 4 or 5 years. I agree with purtov that the manager does need some time before the start of main draw matches to be able to organise their spreadsheet with names of committed players in alphabetical order, so that they are able to copy picks into the spreadsheet. Having a deadline days before the start of the tournament will just increase the demand for wildcards and having the deadline very close to the start of the tournament just creates unnecessary problems for the manager.

It all comes down to finding a commitment deadline time which benefits both the players and managers. I strongly believe that the existing 9pm CET deadline is a good compromise which has worked well for many years and the players have learned to live with this deadline. Why change something that is not broken?
Jul 13th, 2012 08:20 PM
bgbgbg
Re: The Official PAW (Pick-A-Winner) Rules and FAQ'S

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Originally Posted by purtov View Post
IMHO
The deadline is necessary to the manager to have the list in alphabetic order before the beginning of copying of posts. The players who have asked WC, appear in the end of the list and break the alphabetic order. If a deadline two weeks always will be 5 WC. This extra inconvenience.
Creation macros for reception of the alphabetic order is possible. Then the deadline (and commitment!) is completely not necessary. But the table becomes more complex.
purtov, I am aware of what the manager has to do. Although I am very busy in the last years and just play, I have also managed a few tournaments in the past... However I would say PAW is a game that should be enjoyed by the players, not by the managers; respectively the rules should make it more enjoyable for the players and not easier for the managers. PAW is a game very close to the real WTA tour and this is the reason for having the commitments! Otherwise we can just sign in the tournaments' threads with the message "in", as in other games here.
Jul 13th, 2012 06:06 AM
purtov
Re: The Official PAW (Pick-A-Winner) Rules and FAQ'S

Quote:
Originally Posted by bgbgbg View Post
I can not understand why should we have the commitment deadline that close to the start of the tournament.
I would even suggest that the deadline is two or three days or even a week earlier.
If it is 2 hours before the start of the tournament or with the start of the first match, why do we actually need it??
IMHO
The deadline is necessary to the manager to have the list in alphabetic order before the beginning of copying of posts. The players who have asked WC, appear in the end of the list and break the alphabetic order. If a deadline two weeks always will be 5 WC. This extra inconvenience.
Creation macros for reception of the alphabetic order is possible. Then the deadline (and commitment!) is completely not necessary. But the table becomes more complex.
Jul 12th, 2012 09:09 PM
bgbgbg
Re: The Official PAW (Pick-A-Winner) Rules and FAQ'S

I can not understand why should we have the commitment deadline that close to the start of the tournament.
I would even suggest that the deadline is two or three days or even a week earlier.
If it is 2 hours before the start of the tournament or with the start of the first match, why do we actually need it??
Jul 11th, 2012 10:21 AM
purtov
Re: The Official PAW (Pick-A-Winner) Rules and FAQ'S

Shaun,
I understand your difficulties, but there is an excellent way to do your work and on it to sleep easy!

For example in Miami midnight, when in London 6:00am. You publish the PAW-list in 10:00pm in the end of a thread, and the prevention, that before closing the list there were 8 hours. On it your mission is finished, the manager will add those who will in addition place an order. You can make final edition of the list even in the next evening.

Your predecessor kingroger did not publish the table, probably had difficulties with its creation. When I was the manager, I repeated its work, scanned posts with commits to have the preliminary list, it was simple. It is especially simple to add 5-10 additional commits, I think, managers me will support all.
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