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Oct 13th, 2012 01:33 PM
JohnMcP
Re: Generali Ladies, Linz 2012

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Originally Posted by Ziva View Post
LOL i love it how you always talk like i was blowing of steam or was harsh, because i wasn't at all.
This is exactly what I meant when I said the written word can be misinterpreted and can lead to personal spats when nothing was intended in the first place. I once sent an email to my brother thinking that it was a meaningless, throwaway comment and that, because I thought the sarcasm was obvious, I didn't bother to use any "lol" or "". As it turned out, my brother didn't speak to me for two weeks. The lesson is to take a step back and not assume the worst in other people and, at the same time, realize our own words might not appear to others as we intended. This is a subforum supposedly to support Sabine, so the idea that it would devolve into personal spats is absurd.
Oct 13th, 2012 12:40 PM
rucolo
Re: Generali Ladies, Linz 2012

Sabine

How can you lose 1-6 3-6 to Mayr-Achleitner

A new low for Sabine. She has no brain
Oct 13th, 2012 03:07 AM
jetglo
Re: Generali Ladies, Linz 2012

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Originally Posted by Ziva View Post
LOL i love it how you always talk like i was blowing of steam or was harsh, because i wasn't at all.
I only said it was a bad match and it looked like she didn't care like she normally does, that's it, you can even read this in match reports from experts that watched the match. Agree or don't no problem.

You should discuss this with others that may have done what you describe and best via PM, because the only thing we are talking about in this thread is how much a few hate some posts of people which aren't even here at the moment.

Linz is over, lets move on finally
A short memory masquerading as a clear conscience.

PM sent
Oct 12th, 2012 07:53 PM
Ziva
Re: Generali Ladies, Linz 2012

LOL i love it how you always talk like i was blowing of steam or was harsh, because i wasn't at all.
I only said it was a bad match and it looked like she didn't care like she normally does, that's it, you can even read this in match reports from experts that watched the match. Agree or don't no problem.

You should discuss this with others that may have done what you describe and best via PM, because the only thing we are talking about in this thread is how much a few hate some posts of people which aren't even here at the moment.

Linz is over, lets move on finally
Oct 12th, 2012 07:24 PM
jetglo
Re: Generali Ladies, Linz 2012

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Originally Posted by Ziva View Post

Its not like anyone here did any of that you describe, as if there was a single attack against her and remind yourself, we do not write her a letter, we discuss something in a forum. The outta line shits you can see on twitter and what I just saw on her facebook now.

Blowing off steam is also a very good thing in life, I wouldn't mind if Sabine would destroy a racket on court in frustration, maybe it helps, maybe not, but it's better than just taking it and getting more angry on yourself, which I think she does at times, thinking about her meltdown on the practise court a few months back.
It's HOW you go about blowing off steam that's the issue. You think breaking a racquet on court would be fine, but that's you, not everyone else. Maybe you use the term brainless frequently and don't consider that an attack on someone, but that's you. What you consider a "discussion," others may see as a series of bitter diatribes.

I would have thought by now it was obvious that at least some of us don't agree with the "blowing off of steam" in this sub-forum. I can't speak for anyone but myself, so I'll try and make my position really clear. It's got nothing to do with defending Sabine at all, it's the attitudes frequently displayed here that piss ME off! You may think you're blowing off steam, but you're also spoiling it for me, and probably others, because I have to read that shit if I come on here. You get rid of your shit by blowing it off, and I end up copping that shit in the face so you can feel better? Try to find another way to blow of your steam that isn't so selfish.

There are so many ways of blowing off steam that don't impact negatively on others, all you need to do is think about it, and about the rest of us.
Oct 12th, 2012 12:42 PM
maurysicki
Re: Generali Ladies, Linz 2012



Is always a pleasure to read that there are real fans of Sabine, able to analyze the situation with clarity. It is a pity that there is someone who comes to writing only when Bine loses spewing criticism not constructive. These personages they like the people of Twitter, leave the time they find, but nothing more. Sabine is certainly strong enough to ignore them. (if she reads what people write on the internet of course).
Oct 12th, 2012 12:27 PM
Ziva
Re: Generali Ladies, Linz 2012

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Originally Posted by jetglo View Post

I think she's being professional in the Wilson YouTube as they would expect her to be. Also, pro players learn how to put yesterdays loss behind them quickly. They don't have the luxury of dwelling upon things for days or weeks, the tour is relentless. Apart from an analysis of where things went wrong, time spent constantly replaying a match in your mind and endlessly torturing yourself with the result is time wasted today on a yesterday that will never change.

The future waits to be defined and that's what needs to be focused on and taken advantage of. A positive attitude and a short memory when it comes to failures can only help in that regard. Other players will be doing their best to psych you out, you don't want to be doing that job for them.
Sure she is and will be
Oct 12th, 2012 12:12 PM
Ziva
Re: Generali Ladies, Linz 2012

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Ziva, you say "sure there always is some kind of desperation and maybe a bit of anger, but thats not meant to harm at all," but is that how things are dealt with successfully in real life?

Do you attack a family member or friend out of frustration and anger, only knowing some of the situation? How does that approach work? Are they supposed to sense there's no harm intended when all
they hear is anger and frustration? Maybe your world is different, but in mine, nothing positive is ever achieved by doing that

Its not like anyone here did any of that you describe, as if there was a single attack against her and remind yourself, we do not write her a letter, we discuss something in a forum. The outta line shits you can see on twitter and what I just saw on her facebook now.

Blowing off steam is also a very good thing in life, I wouldn't mind if Sabine would destroy a racket on court in frustration, maybe it helps, maybe not, but it's better than just taking it and getting more angry on yourself, which I think she does at times, thinking about her meltdown on the practise court a few months back.
Oct 12th, 2012 11:57 AM
Ziva
Re: Generali Ladies, Linz 2012

Go to Twitter and search for @sabinelisicki.

Same crap they did to gajdosova, but I guess Sabine is strong enough to handle that better.
Oct 12th, 2012 07:45 AM
Beaumont
Re: Generali Ladies, Linz 2012

Where did you guys hear about her receiving nasty tweets?

I'm afraid that comes with being famous these days, you have to accept the world is full of idiots and when they are hiding behind their keyboards and screens, they say whatever they wish

Sabine just needs to remember that for every 1 guy who is abusing her, there are 10 abusing themselves!!
Oct 12th, 2012 07:08 AM
jetglo
Re: Generali Ladies, Linz 2012

There was a toilet break which isn't usually seen after one set, especially one over as quick as that. She didn't seem herself for sure. I haven't managed to watch the Kerber Wimbledon match again, so this one may take me a while too.

I think she's being professional in the Wilson YouTube as they would expect her to be. Also, pro players learn how to put yesterdays loss behind them quickly. They don't have the luxury of dwelling upon things for days or weeks, the tour is relentless. Apart from an analysis of where things went wrong, time spent constantly replaying a match in your mind and endlessly torturing yourself with the result is time wasted today on a yesterday that will never change.

The future waits to be defined and that's what needs to be focused on and taken advantage of. A positive attitude and a short memory when it comes to failures can only help in that regard. Other players will be doing their best to psych you out, you don't want to be doing that job for them.
Oct 12th, 2012 05:33 AM
JohnMcP
Re: Generali Ladies, Linz 2012

Exactly -- there is nothing weak about having a positive attitude in the face of adversity. Maybe we need to learn from Sabine herself. Just look on Youtube at her long interview with Tracy from Wilson which if I remeber correctly was taken the day after she failed to qualify at the Australian in 2011. If not the low point of her career, it was certainly one of the low points -- yet Sabine was as sweet and positive as ever. Some may see this as a sign that she could have cared less about failing to qualify and that she needed a kick in the rear. But I'm sure it was a painful experience for her and the interview shows her ability to remain positive even in the worst of times. I think this ability was instrumental in her comeback in 2011.

I watched yesterday's match on Youtube, and it appears to me that she was sick from the very beginning. She appeared pale and lacked adrenaline throughout the match except at the very beginning and the end. She continued to try drop shots which were ridiculous even for her, especially since not a single one worked. For whatever reason, she felt she had to end the points quickly. I don't know for sure if she was sick, but as Jetglo said, it is pointless to direct anger at Sabine when we don't have the full story. If Sabine needs a kick in the pants, it is certainly not for us to do so.
Oct 12th, 2012 04:25 AM
jetglo
Re: Generali Ladies, Linz 2012

A thick skin is always easier when things are going well, if you're in an emotional low, your defences are down as well.

I remember when Jarmila Gajdosova's marriage failed and her form slumped, she received some horrible tweets and abandoned twitter for some time afterwards.

I really hope Sabine is not getting tweets as bad as they were, I don't want to know what was said either, any attention only encourages these assholes.

Ziva, you say "sure there always is some kind of desperation and maybe a bit of anger, but thats not meant to harm at all," but is that how things are dealt with successfully in real life?

Do you attack a family member or friend out of frustration and anger, only knowing some of the situation? How does that approach work? Are they supposed to sense there's no harm intended when all
they hear is anger and frustration? Maybe your world is different, but in mine, nothing positive is ever achieved by doing that.

The internet is different of course, people say things here that would never be said face to face. Who would, if they had the chance to see Sabine in the locker room after this last match, with the same dejected look on her face she walked off with, or worse, actually repeat the "frustrated and angry" comments that have been written here? If delivered effectively, maybe you could make her cry.

I may have a more positive view than some here and that extends to all things. I've learned that it's a better way to live. I used to be more negative, "realistic" would be what I'd like to call it, but I met some cancer sufferers a while back, and they talked very strongly about their need to keep a positive outlook, as negativity can have physical implications. It left a lasting impression on me, because they were fighting for their lives and were so determined not to let that get them down, it made any problems I had seem trivial in comparison.

So much of how we look at things is shaped by perspective and outlook, you can put a positive or negative spin on most things if you set your mind to it. I choose the positive, which doesn't mean I'm weak or blind, it's just how I try to deal with things now. I try not to worry about things I have absolutely no control over, because ultimately it's pointless and doesn't do me any good. I don't think anything good gets built on a mountain of negativity.
Oct 12th, 2012 01:22 AM
jasonwright25
Re: Generali Ladies, Linz 2012

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Originally Posted by Ziva View Post
Those Tweets some assholes send to Sabine

Hopefully she takes a long Twitter break and doesn't read this Bullshit
There are jackasses all over the world. Hopefully she'll just grow some thick skin and realize that sometimes people are just stupid.
Oct 12th, 2012 12:32 AM
Ziva
Re: Generali Ladies, Linz 2012

Those Tweets some assholes send to Sabine

Hopefully she takes a long Twitter break and doesn't read this Bullshit
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