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Oct 6th, 2012 08:46 PM
MakarovaFan
Re: Matches where players retired to prevent beatdowns?

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Originally Posted by pov View Post
Hmm . . an interesting viewpoint. Well explained too. I see your point but . . .I dunno . .I guess I expect any top player to keep believing that they can at least get on the board. Unless they started the match feeling less than healthy but thinking that they'd play through it.
So because you don't think you can win it's okay to run away and quit???
Oct 6th, 2012 08:44 PM
MakarovaFan
Re: Matches where players retired to prevent beatdowns?

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Originally Posted by tkutsaar View Post
The consensus in this thread seems to be that it is ignoble to quit when suffering a beating. There is obviously a mental element in this sport and such factor varies in every player as we are all unique. If one believes one cannot win then ergo one will not win. The most startlingly example of this hypothesis has to be the 1988 FO finals. Prior to the match in an interview Natalia Zvereva averred she had no chance against Steffi Graf. And lo and behold not only was it 6-0, 6-0 for Steffi, but this match lasted only 32 minutes- I repeat 32 minutes less time than an average competitive set minus even a tie breaker. Natalia won only 14 points in toto.

So I suggest it is fairer to the spectators that a player does retire when she is not mentally there and the withdrawal is as legitimate as say a broken ankle. I recall in a men’s 2nd round match in either the ’11 or ’10 AO (I forget which) where Tipsarevic did not convert several MPS during the 4th set, and his opponent (a Spaniard I think Verdasco) forced a tie-breaker. From then on Tipsarevic obviously mentally beaten, offered no competition. He did not attempt to return any of Verdasco’s serves nor did he attempt to win any points on his own serve as he lost the 4th set tie breaker 7-0 and the fifth set 6-0. BTW that set was not a golden set as Verdasco inexplicitly double faulted some serves- maybe purposely to antagonize his opponent further.

The bottom line is that I think Kerber’s withdrawal of a match she was not going to win is a more admirable decision than continuing to play and offer only token competition.
I am so sorry but for a PROFESSIONAL ATHLETE you simply don't quit......if everyone in life threw in the towel when thing's aren't going their way or they are mentally not in it, then the world would probably be over. It's part of their job to COMPETE, once they make the choice to step on the court then it's game on. Though i see the point in theory, I find it utterly ridiculous that the idea is even mentioned in this context. The mental aspect as well as physical aspect are part of what makes a strong top player, so if you lack that then it is you who lose out.
Oct 6th, 2012 02:50 PM
hingisGOAT
Re: Matches where players retired to prevent beatdowns?

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Originally Posted by lloyders76 View Post
i'm pretty sure serena was up 6-0 3-0 when she injured herself, lost 9 games in a row and retired, not quite the spin you put on it
Incorrect. Serena won the first set 6-0 but never had a lead in the second set by more than 1 game. Hingis completely turned the match around by extending the rallies and running Serena round. Brilliant match from her. Serena's "injury" never materialized into anything; she was moving better than ever and looked perfectly healthy the rest of the USO season.
Oct 6th, 2012 02:24 PM
pov
Re: Matches where players retired to prevent beatdowns?

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Originally Posted by tkutsaar View Post
The bottom line is that I think Kerber’s withdrawal of a match she was not going to win is a more admirable decision than continuing to play and offer only token competition.
Hmm . . an interesting viewpoint. Well explained too. I see your point but . . .I dunno . .I guess I expect any top player to keep believing that they can at least get on the board. Unless they started the match feeling less than healthy but thinking that they'd play through it.
Oct 6th, 2012 01:57 PM
NashaMasha
Re: Matches where players retired to prevent beatdowns?

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Originally Posted by tkutsaar View Post
The consensus in this thread seems to be that it is ignoble to quit when suffering a beating. There is obviously a mental element in this sport and such factor varies in every player as we are all unique. If one believes one cannot win then ergo one will not win. The most startlingly example of this hypothesis has to be the 1988 FO finals. Prior to the match in an interview Natalia Zvereva averred she had no chance against Steffi Graf. And lo and behold not only was it 6-0, 6-0 for Steffi, but this match lasted only 32 minutes- I repeat 32 minutes less time than an average competitive set minus even a tie breaker. Natalia won only 14 points in toto.

So I suggest it is fairer to the spectators that a player does retire when she is not mentally there and the withdrawal is as legitimate as say a broken ankle. I recall in a men’s 2nd round match in either the ’11 or ’10 AO (I forget which) where Tipsarevic did not convert several MPS during the 4th set, and his opponent (a Spaniard I think Verdasco) forced a tie-breaker. From then on Tipsarevic obviously mentally beaten, offered no competition. He did not attempt to return any of Verdasco’s serves nor did he attempt to win any points on his own serve as he lost the 4th set tie breaker 7-0 and the fifth set 6-0. BTW that set was not a golden set as Verdasco inexplicitly double faulted some serves- maybe purposely to antagonize his opponent further.

The bottom line is that I think Kerber’s withdrawal of a match she was not going to win is a more admirable decision than continuing to play and offer only token competition.
absolutely tired Sharapova after her shoulder surgery and after 4 tough 3 setters at Roland Garros didn't retire being 0-6 0-5 behind vs Cibulkova ... She struggled to the end and finished 0-6 2-6 .....

That's why Kerber is 24 y.o with only 2 WTA titles , whereas Sharapova 27 titles including 4 Slams at 25 y.o
Angie to become a real top player should bear in mind that a match is over only if Game, set, match announced or if her doctor forbids her to continue
Oct 6th, 2012 01:43 PM
tkutsaar
Re: Matches where players retired to prevent beatdowns?

The consensus in this thread seems to be that it is ignoble to quit when suffering a beating. There is obviously a mental element in this sport and such factor varies in every player as we are all unique. If one believes one cannot win then ergo one will not win. The most startlingly example of this hypothesis has to be the 1988 FO finals. Prior to the match in an interview Natalia Zvereva averred she had no chance against Steffi Graf. And lo and behold not only was it 6-0, 6-0 for Steffi, but this match lasted only 32 minutes- I repeat 32 minutes less time than an average competitive set minus even a tie breaker. Natalia won only 14 points in toto.

So I suggest it is fairer to the spectators that a player does retire when she is not mentally there and the withdrawal is as legitimate as say a broken ankle. I recall in a men’s 2nd round match in either the ’11 or ’10 AO (I forget which) where Tipsarevic did not convert several MPS during the 4th set, and his opponent (a Spaniard I think Verdasco) forced a tie-breaker. From then on Tipsarevic obviously mentally beaten, offered no competition. He did not attempt to return any of Verdasco’s serves nor did he attempt to win any points on his own serve as he lost the 4th set tie breaker 7-0 and the fifth set 6-0. BTW that set was not a golden set as Verdasco inexplicitly double faulted some serves- maybe purposely to antagonize his opponent further.

The bottom line is that I think Kerber’s withdrawal of a match she was not going to win is a more admirable decision than continuing to play and offer only token competition.
Oct 6th, 2012 12:29 PM
Sammo
Re: Matches where players retired to prevent beatdowns?

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Originally Posted by BlueTrees View Post
Cibulkova retired down 6-4 *4-1 40-0 to Shvedova the other day

And in 2008 she retired when losing to Sugiyama 6-7(4) 7-6(5) *5-3 40-0 3MPs
She's pathetic, I don't know how can anyone like that gross midget
Oct 6th, 2012 12:04 PM
WowWow
Re: Matches where players retired to prevent beatdowns?

Justine owns this thread.
Oct 6th, 2012 10:57 AM
lloyders76
Re: Matches where players retired to prevent beatdowns?

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Originally Posted by hingisGOAT View Post
Hingis was on her way to finishing off Serena with a tasty bagel in their Canadian Open match when Serena "retired" with a fake injury

i'm pretty sure serena was up 6-0 3-0 when she injured herself, lost 9 games in a row and retired, not quite the spin you put on it
Oct 6th, 2012 10:55 AM
jj74
Re: Matches where players retired to prevent beatdowns?

1998 wimbledon

Virginia Ruano Pascual def Serena Williams 75 41
Oct 6th, 2012 10:30 AM
Brad[le]y.
Re: Matches where players retired to prevent beatdowns?

Sexy Lexy
Oct 6th, 2012 09:36 AM
mm1147
Re: Matches where players retired to prevent beatdowns?

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Originally Posted by sfan View Post
Serena usually withdraws or tanks when she sees that Maria is playing well enough to give her a beatdown. Like she did in Rome and Australian Open this year.
serena usually tanks when she see maria on her draw to avoid another beatdown
believe it or not serena is actually nice
Oct 6th, 2012 08:47 AM
Marcoo
Re: Matches where players retired to prevent beatdowns?

Yeah, a lot of players retire from this tournament lateyly... weird ?
Oct 6th, 2012 06:33 AM
BlueTrees
Re: Matches where players retired to prevent beatdowns?

Cibulkova retired down 6-4 *4-1 40-0 to Shvedova the other day

And in 2008 she retired when losing to Sugiyama 6-7(4) 7-6(5) *5-3 40-0 3MPs
Oct 6th, 2012 06:19 AM
kenjai7373
Re: Matches where players retired to prevent beatdowns?

so much for the self proclaimed great player. 1.5 bagel is some good humble breakfast.
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