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Aug 3rd, 2011 12:20 AM
twight6
Re: Suicide Tennis #319 Stanford ~ Narcissus def. Meelis!!!

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Originally Posted by legionmx View Post
Ahm... I have few time so I will keep this simple.

When the Cibulkova situation happened, I was glad I had a back up. But something set me off. delicate said that the Cibulkova Bartoli picks wouldn't be counted. And that was parcially correct. The correct statemente should have been: "Main picks involving the match won't be counted, but back up picks will be, not regarding which match was it". So if someone had picked Cibulkova/Bartoli, the Bartoli pick should have counted. I checked Day 6 picks, and no one picked that combination, so there was no problem and I didn't mentioned it.

My point is, the rulebook lacks clarification in some points. I won't oppose this tournament results as I think it is correct according to the current rules, but a revision of those rules is definitely needed. The BYE is intended to give some advantage to the seeded, in the means that they have less picks in the final rounds, resulting in more possibilities for a valid pick in the finals. But I think in tie breakers, an average should be made. Number of sets lost, divided by number of picks. That should normalize the tie breaker criteria in the BYE scenario.

Thank you delicatecutter for an excellent tournament.
I have absolutely no idea what you're trying to say in the bolded paragraph. The rules are pretty clear to me

As for the rest of it, it has been debated and settled dozens of times in the past. There is really no point in arguing byes, especially not in a tournament thread. Take it somewhere else, but I suggest you actually get support if you're going to attempt to argue it. At this point, it's just incredibly annoying to have this same debate come up everytime there is a tiebreaker on the final day
Aug 2nd, 2011 07:24 AM
coolfish1103
Re: Suicide Tennis #319 Stanford ~ Narcissus def. Meelis!!!

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Originally Posted by legionmx View Post
My point is, the rulebook lacks clarification in some points. I won't oppose this tournament results as I think it is correct according to the current rules, but a revision of those rules is definitely needed. The BYE is intended to give some advantage to the seeded, in the means that they have less picks in the final rounds, resulting in more possibilities for a valid pick in the finals. But I think in tie breakers, an average should be made. Number of sets lost, divided by number of picks. That should normalize the tie breaker criteria in the BYE scenario.

Thank you delicatecutter for an excellent tournament.
I have no problems with BYEs giving the seeds the advantage to not make a Day 1 pick. It's just the tie-breaker rules to determine the winner (which is a title). Anyways, not the right thread to discuss that.

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Originally Posted by delicatecutter View Post
My point is that plenty of people who don't have Byes win tournaments against players who do, as you did in Miami.
It's all luck plus there are enough rounds in Miami to nullify the games lost in R1

Just looking through the tournaments, I think I will have to play the tournaments with BYEs if I still want to play Women's Suicide Tennis. There are just way too many of them.

I'll leave it as is and finish the San Diego tournament since my name isn't getting removed.
Aug 1st, 2011 07:04 PM
TIEFSEE
Re: Suicide Tennis #319 Stanford

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Originally Posted by BlackPanther. View Post
Sorry bro
Aug 1st, 2011 05:23 PM
legionmx
Re: Suicide Tennis #319 Stanford ~ Narcissus def. Meelis!!!

Ahm... I have few time so I will keep this simple.

When the Cibulkova situation happened, I was glad I had a back up. But something set me off. delicate said that the Cibulkova Bartoli picks wouldn't be counted. And that was parcially correct. The correct statemente should have been: "Main picks involving the match won't be counted, but back up picks will be, not regarding which match was it". So if someone had picked Cibulkova/Bartoli, the Bartoli pick should have counted. I checked Day 6 picks, and no one picked that combination, so there was no problem and I didn't mentioned it.

My point is, the rulebook lacks clarification in some points. I won't oppose this tournament results as I think it is correct according to the current rules, but a revision of those rules is definitely needed. The BYE is intended to give some advantage to the seeded, in the means that they have less picks in the final rounds, resulting in more possibilities for a valid pick in the finals. But I think in tie breakers, an average should be made. Number of sets lost, divided by number of picks. That should normalize the tie breaker criteria in the BYE scenario.

Thank you delicatecutter for an excellent tournament.
Aug 1st, 2011 04:06 PM
NDee
Re: Suicide Tennis #319 Stanford ~ Narcissus def. Meelis!!!

Congratulations to the winner Narcissus and runner-up Meelis!
Thanks to delicatecutter for managing!
Aug 1st, 2011 12:13 PM
Djezonfly
Re: Suicide Tennis #319 Stanford ~ Narcissus def. Meelis!!!

Manager of the year imo.
Aug 1st, 2011 12:13 PM
Wally.
Re: Suicide Tennis #319 Stanford ~ Narcissus def. Meelis!!!

My point is that plenty of people who don't have Byes win tournaments against players who do, as you did in Miami.
Aug 1st, 2011 11:20 AM
coolfish1103
Re: Suicide Tennis #319 Stanford ~ Narcissus def. Meelis!!!

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Originally Posted by AUSBOY View Post
Coolfish, the answer is easy, just get your ranking up so you are one of the BYE's! Just like in the real world of tennis, where the top players tend to reap the benefits of their high ranking too! You will be surprised, after 1 year playing this game I am top 20, hopefully top 15 after this week, and getting closer to my first bye!

Delicatecutter, love your work, and all the other people that help with this game!
Maybe? It just doesn't feel right.

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Originally Posted by Monzanator View Post
At least I survived into the final day And yeah, if one of the seeds makes it through into the final day, it's almost impossible for a non-seed to win


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Originally Posted by delicatecutter View Post
Well thanks for the thanks. But the tournament you won was one with Byes, and more than 8. So I don't know why you're trashing on my tournament. I feel bad enough that people who should have won/done better didn't because they didn't pay attention/Domi withdrew.
I don't think I am trashing your tournament because I was just trying to figure out what's going on.

Miami is actually the first? or second tournament I played. I did not really understand the rules back then. I never really understood the rules until I managed Estoril, and still don't really understand the idea of BYEs cause Estoril did not have BYEs. As for Miami, I wasn't even the one who received the BYEs, so I don't know why winning or losing it actually mattered for my questions on the tournament you managed... or being addressed as trashing your tournament.

Though! I would have to re-think if I want to play IW and Miami again next year. If I am not going to play those tournaments, I think I might as well stop playing Suicide Tennis cause those are "mandatory tournaments."
Aug 1st, 2011 09:28 AM
AUSBOY
Re: Suicide Tennis #319 Stanford ~ Narcissus def. Meelis!!!

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Originally Posted by coolfish1103 View Post
Yes, the rule book mentioned nothing in regards to BYE and it would be impossible to determine a winner in this case since illusyve is a better picker if you count R1 against legionmx and Monzanator.

I guess I will just have to skip tournaments with BYEs. You are basically forced to lose to seeded players unless a score of 6-0 6-0 appeared in R1.

Coolfish, the answer is easy, just get your ranking up so you are one of the BYE's! Just like in the real world of tennis, where the top players tend to reap the benefits of their high ranking too! You will be surprised, after 1 year playing this game I am top 20, hopefully top 15 after this week, and getting closer to my first bye!

Delicatecutter, love your work, and all the other people that help with this game!
Aug 1st, 2011 05:53 AM
ronim1
Re: Suicide Tennis #319 Stanford ~ Narcissus def. Meelis!!!

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Originally Posted by delicatecutter View Post
I feel bad enough that people who should have won/done better didn't because they didn't pay attention/Domi withdrew.
You shouldn't feel bad. You did a great job managing.



Congrats to the winner.
Aug 1st, 2011 05:00 AM
Monzanator
Re: Suicide Tennis #319 Stanford ~ Narcissus def. Meelis!!!

At least I survived into the final day And yeah, if one of the seeds makes it through into the final day, it's almost impossible for a non-seed to win
Aug 1st, 2011 03:05 AM
BlackPanther.
Re: Suicide Tennis #319 Stanford

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Originally Posted by delicatecutter View Post

BlackPanther would have won if he had posted a valid Day 7 pick before the match but rules are rules.
Aug 1st, 2011 02:26 AM
Wally.
Re: Suicide Tennis #319 Stanford ~ Narcissus def. Meelis!!!

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Originally Posted by coolfish1103 View Post
I know they are the rules cause I went and read it. I did not say I am going to complain about it or do anything about it. I am just voluntarily removing myself from playing tournaments with BYEs cause I don't want to play at a huge disadvantage. That's all.

Thanks for managing!
Well thanks for the thanks. But the tournament you won was one with Byes, and more than 8. So I don't know why you're trashing on my tournament. I feel bad enough that people who should have won/done better didn't because they didn't pay attention/Domi withdrew.
Aug 1st, 2011 02:12 AM
coolfish1103
Re: Suicide Tennis #319 Stanford ~ Narcissus def. Meelis!!!

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Originally Posted by delicatecutter View Post
OK. You have a problem with the Byes. They are the rules. And there are plenty of tournaments where players with Byes don't end up winning. This tournament ended up being a clusterfuck with Cibulkova withdrawing. Otherwise a non-seed might have won.

Honestly, I couldn't care less about the byes. But this game is not one that has much of an organization or union in place. So until there is one and it's voted out, as a manager I'm just following the rules.
I know they are the rules cause I went and read it. I did not say I am going to complain about it or do anything about it. I am just voluntarily removing myself from playing tournaments with BYEs cause I don't want to play at a huge disadvantage. That's all.

Thanks for managing!
Aug 1st, 2011 02:04 AM
Wally.
Re: Suicide Tennis #319 Stanford ~ Narcissus def. Meelis!!!

OK. You have a problem with the Byes. They are the rules. And there are plenty of tournaments where players with Byes don't end up winning. This tournament ended up being a clusterfuck with Cibulkova withdrawing. Otherwise a non-seed might have won.

Honestly, I couldn't care less about the byes. But this game is not one that has much of an organization or union in place. So until there is one and it's voted out, as a manager I'm just following the rules.
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