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Feb 12th, 2002, 12:49 PM
In the new rankings, Jen, Venus, and Marti are still 1-2-3.
Venus picked up 281 points and is at 4481, still a ways behind Jen at 4825. Marti will lose 215 points from Doha, and will be below Lindsay next time, which doesn't really matter as Lindsay will sink a lot more.

Serena was supposed to play Antwerp, and heaven forbid if the Willies have to face each other, but when Serena withdrew due to injury, Venus got a wild card to Antwerp. She has 113 points to defend from a SF finish in last year's Nice tourney, which was moved to Antwerp.

Meanwhile, Venus was quoted that tennis bores her, that she may go to fashion school in the fall instead of play tennis, and that getting to No. 1 is not important to her. She has the most bizarre attitude I have ever seen from a female tennis player. First it was being an insufferable "I'm the greatest" braggart, now it is "tennis is not important". She makes it sound like there is no compelling reason to go to fashion school (true) other than to relieve boredom.

She likes to compare herself to Tiger Woods, but Tiger has respect for his game and its history. I don't watch much golf, but did see a tourney where Tiger and Jack Nicklaus were paired for the final round. You could just feel the immense respect the two men had for each other. Jack set an incredible standard for number of majors won, and Tiger knows how huge that is, though if anyone can surpass the record, it is Tiger.

Venus seems to think she is some superior being and all the past greats of the sport don't matter. I have never heard her express respect for Court, Evert, Navratilova, or Graf. After an epic battle, most tennis players, even Serena at times, will greet their opponent warmly at the net, but with Venus all you get is a cold fish handshake.

If the sport bores her so much and she holds it in such contempt, she really ought to find something else to do.

Williams Rulez
Feb 12th, 2002, 01:03 PM
She enjoys playing the sport, she has that before. It is just that she cannot bring herself to play so much tennis as it will bore her.

Right now, her schedule is quite full, it should add up to 16 tournaments I believe. That is quite a full schedule. She made it clear that she'll be getting her dipolma in fashion design this year, so there is no way she can play tournaments in fall.

Feb 12th, 2002, 01:12 PM
It's Venus decision so we can't do anything about that. It's a free world after all. Whether it be bad or good for her tennis career, it's her problem not mine.;):rolleyes:

Feb 12th, 2002, 05:37 PM
I also read the article. After seeing that, I found Venus is still a girl, not a woman. ;)

I think that the biggest priority for Venus now is becoming a #1 player in the world, even if it lasts only one week though.

That's why she accepted WC for Antwerp,... two weeks in Europe and one in Middle East ( in a row).... If she were not gunning for #1 spot, she wouldn't do so. And this time is the biggest chance (or maybe the last chance in near future) to be a #1 player.

She just doesn't want to show her real anxiety for being #1 which has been her biggest wish in her career. I don't think she doesn't respect the sport. I think she respect much more than people think.
She has big ego,... she just doesn't want to say, "I've wanted to become #1 player in the world. I couln't achieved it yet, BUT I'll achieve it soon with my best effort."
If she got mature, she would have said so.

But I like Venus as she is now. Because I know she will try her best, no matter what she says to the media. ;)

Go, Venus!

Good luck in 2002!


Feb 12th, 2002, 06:04 PM

I do not think that you like Venus very much and now you have a good excuse to go at her: Distorted news.

Venus said " Tennis is my job and I enjoy playing it but if ALL I did was tennis I would get bored"
I think that most of us enjoy our careers but if that is all we did we would get bored!! Except for you Linton I assume.

Venus so admires Pete sampras that she named her dog Pete!!
Pete Sampras is not Court, Evert, Navratilova, or Graf but he is a tennis player nevertheless.

I think that you are judging Venus too strongly. She has always maintained that winning Slams is a her goal not being #1. Why would she want put so much effort to winning a tennis slam if tennis is not important!

Venus knows herself and what she has sent her heart on. Right now three weeks in a row in February its Tennis.
If come October she chooses college 3 weeks in a row good luck to her .

I think the best a young adult can do is choose to lead a balanced life. This is what shows maturity. I would never want to see Venus living for Tennis only. She does very well without having to sacrifice the spiritual, creative and loving side to her to the altar of fame.

I once read an interview of Hingis's in the ACE magazine of Jan or Feb last year in which she said that all she does is tennis. I felt so sorry for her! I am glad that she too now seems to be choosing more of a life outside tennis.

Feb 12th, 2002, 06:09 PM

Isn't it so convenient for an Hingis fan to ignore all the improvement V. has made in the last couple of years and just focus on the bad to support his or her argument? V. is going to play enough this year to attain the #1 ranking. We would like her to play after the USO, but it's her decision to make. She should do whatever makes her happy. It's her life!

Feb 12th, 2002, 07:38 PM
Linton - Let me tell you a little story about Jack Nicklaus and Tiger Woods.

Tiger tells a story about the first time they played together professionally. Tiger has immense respect for Jack. He also felt that Jack was one of the few people who could really imagine what his life was like. Tiger started to relate to Jack the ordeal of the constant press attention, the corporate stuff, the relentless fans. Nicklaus cut him off with "You could always give back the 40 million dollars".

BTW, Nicklaus was already married when he went out on the golf tour. He played less than the other players. Lee Trevino has often pointed out that he won the award for lowest average five times in his career. Everytime, Trevino also points out, it was because Nicklaus HADN"T PLAYED ENOUGH TOURNAMENTS TO QUALIFY.

DO bring up Jack Nicklaus. He's the perfect example of how Venus has molded her career. He had a family he put first. He had outside interests. He played less than everybody else. And virtually all of his peers acknowledged him as the best.

So tell me Linton, is your arguement that JACK NICKLAUS has no respect for the game of golf or its history? If that isn't your arguement, how do Jack and Venus's approaches to their respective sports differ? Jack Nicklaus approached golf the same way Venus approaches tennis. Except Venus has always been in good condition, while, in his youth, Nicklaus was ocassionally accused of 'not respecting the game enough' to get in good condition.

Don't you hate it when you pick the wrong example to bolster an arguement? :)

Feb 12th, 2002, 07:44 PM
Lol @ volcana

sarcasm at its finest

Feb 12th, 2002, 08:03 PM
Don't you just love these Venus bashers??? I bet if their favourite approached tennis like Venus, it would be alllllllllll praise and this thread would NOT exist ... So what if she wants to go to school in the fall??? She has ABSOLUTELY nothing to defend then... It's her perogative... Live and let live already!!!! :P

Feb 12th, 2002, 08:04 PM
She likes to compare herself to Tiger Woods, but Tiger has respect for his game and its history.

Where did you get this from? Venus and Serena have never compared themselves to Tiger Woods, and they are constantly trying to disassociate themselves from this comparison which is mainly made by the media and sports commentators. I know this because I'm a Williams fan and I listen to what Venus and Serena says, not what commentators say about them.

Meanwhile, Venus was quoted that tennis bores her

That too has been misenterpreted. Venus did not say that tennis bores her. She did say that tennis is not her entire life, and she would become bored if that's all she had to fill her life with. Get your facts straight. I understand that you don't like her, but don't lie on her. It's been a long, long, long time since Venus has given you something to whine about. Now, you seem to be looking for anything in desperation, and still coming up short.

Feb 12th, 2002, 08:10 PM
I'm sorry, but I don't see where you get, from an offhand statement that she might go back to school in the fall,that she has "no respect" for the sport and past players or that she thinks she is a "superior being." That sounds like the same old, groundless anti-Venus party line to me. (And how on earth would YOU know she has a "cold fish handshake?" When did you last play her?) If she does go back to school in the fall, so what? She currently plans to play more than a full schedule up until then and she has nothing to lose, as she's defending no points in the fall. Anyway, every player has something else they do other than tennis or they go nuts. Look at Martina Hingis, the little tennis robot. Her focus on her sport seems to falter every time a promising guy comes her way- which is her privilige. All work and no play makes Jill a dull girl. Would you say she's holding the sport in contempt and it bores her so much because she'd rather play than defend her Doha and Dubai titles? I'd say that's a stretch, but that's what you're saying about Venus.

Feb 12th, 2002, 08:15 PM
Actually Linton, too much of any one thing would tend to bore Venus by her past comments. She loves variety and new challenges, this helps to maintain her focus on tennis. Venus has never been a braggart, although in her own mind is the best. Nothing wrong with that, in fact it is a prerequisite to be a champion. Remember when Venus and Serena went up against Navratilova for the first time in doubles, and how they stated their long time admiration? Remember how happy they were to have met and played with Everett and Seles? Even Jennifer! Yes both Venus and Serena dance to a different beat but always bear in mind they might have had to. :cool:

Dawn Marie
Feb 12th, 2002, 08:20 PM
Venus just won TWO tourneys .. that is great. Get used to it Linton.. .. I mean you will only go bonkers if you continue to let Venus's success get to your head.

Fearless Venus(who is multi-dimensional by the way) RULEZ:)

My favorite is very creative.:)

Feb 12th, 2002, 08:30 PM
Someone is mighty close to #1 and people don't like it :eek: :eek:
:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :D :drool:

Feb 12th, 2002, 08:36 PM
:D Go Venus!!!!

Feb 12th, 2002, 09:00 PM
I'm going to agree with Linton about one thing.

IF. IF. IF. IF the sport bored Venus and she held it in contempt, she SHOULD find something else to do. I just as lief ANY player of ANY sport who found it boring and held it in contempt found something else to do. (For example, I wouldn't entirely miss Marat Safin. I'd miss what he could be, but not what he is.) However, the woman out there playing on one leg in the second round at OZ wasn't holding anything in contempt. And she wasn't displaying boredom.

Feb 12th, 2002, 10:58 PM
I think venus is handling her carreer like anyone else does! look at Her. She can combine tennis and school and still be one of the best out-there! In the last 2 years, she has played from January through september and won 6 titles (including 2 slams) each year. She then stopped tennis and went to school! She has having success doing what she does ..... I don't see any reason for her to change her schedule! When you have success, you don't change!!!

GO VENUS !!!! Keep playing and winning..... your titles will "eventually" shut your haters up!!!!:bounce:

Cybelle Darkholme
Feb 12th, 2002, 11:14 PM
someone please tell me whats up with all these haters? People like linton I just don't understand. Why all the animosity toward Venus?

What on earth has this girl done? I mean even the boasting part of being number one in the world when she had't won a tournament is nothing to hold against her. Ali was the king of boasting and he was loved for it. So please keep that crap to yourself.

I have never seen so many people groan about a person going to school than when so called "fans" get upset when Venus and Serena plan on attending fashion school. This is their life, their tennis careers, you people don't own them! How would you like it if the masses told you you shouldn't go to school but temp full time (or whatever it is you do).

Venus rocks. That's just the end of it. Go back and read her interviews from '97, '98, '99, '00, '01! The girl has known who she is and had her act together before she stepped foot on the tour. In fact compare her interviews with other girls from the same year. Note the difference? This is why the true fans love Venus Williams

And all this grace and humilty is once again crap. Sure its nice to be gracious when you win or lose but its not a requirement. Jordan when he lost a few times wasn't the most gracious person and I can name a few other atheletes in other sports and tennis who are the same way. Oh, and as mother taught if you can't say anything nice about someone dont say anything at all. To my knowledge Venus hasn't said a bad word about anyone on tour ( i can't say the same for serena heh).

I think the tennis world just wasnt' ready for such a strong willed individual with a personality and intelligence at such a young age. She and her sister blew stuffiness out of the tennis world and some people just can't stand it.

Feb 13th, 2002, 04:26 AM
K K K I know where u all coming from. Its ok to put what u tihnk.

Just let me put this in review.

1 Im a marty fan i aint gonna exactly chair and rave, and root for Venus. She isint my fav.

2 Im only hsowing a view. I dont expect people to agree with me

3 No im not a williams hater

Dawn Marie
Feb 13th, 2002, 04:32 AM
KKK and you think VENUS likes to consider herself some SUPERIOR being?:rolleyes:

Feb 13th, 2002, 04:36 AM

Feb 13th, 2002, 04:37 AM
woops sorry Dawn Marie. I read it again and i musta read it incorectly were u meanin KKK As another "perosn i had" or the actual KU KLUX KLAN. if i was wrong my humble apolgies goes out to u:)

Feb 13th, 2002, 04:38 AM
venus fans think that venus likes doing things other than tennis and that's good. but martina likes doing little but tennis and that's bad. well, it seems as though both of them are doing what they like to do and should both be applauded. why the double standard?

if venus isnt willing to commit herself to the no. 1 ranking, that's her problem (and her fans' too), none of us should be bothered. if she does get to no. 1, good for her.

btw marti does like playing many other sports ;) :hearts:

Feb 13th, 2002, 04:40 AM
Equestrian and skiiing to be considered 2 to

Feb 13th, 2002, 04:45 AM
Forgive my questioning, but did you compose the original post in this thread Linton??? It's so different from your usual postings and the last 2 posts on here too... hmmm:eek:

Feb 13th, 2002, 04:47 AM
I have a very good talent dont i infinity. yes I tohught to myself. Linton why dont u post something people will enjoy. I tonly took me a couple of mintes. If u would like me to post like that i will. I quite enjoy it.

Feb 13th, 2002, 04:49 AM

Feb 13th, 2002, 04:52 AM
Yay Im getting praise. Usually when i post i dont care bout spelling, often use slangs, very short and straight to the point. But this certain one i tohught Why not. and i made it to my perfection. I tihnk u 2 are sying my posts r crap!! lol they prolly are but r u just astounded form this one. Well ill try and come up wid a lot more coz its better then writing little crap ones

Feb 13th, 2002, 04:52 AM
linton writes similarly to this in general

just that he rarely checks his spelling ;)

Feb 13th, 2002, 04:53 AM
If u would like me to post like that i will. I quite enjoy it.
Not at all, as long as you are true to yourself :)

Feb 13th, 2002, 04:55 AM
lol spelling isint a option for me. As long as i know what it emans and what people mean there is no point but since im doing 5th from computering i better make an interest to spell (which i can) and type alot more accurate and consistintsy. as this will go towards the degree.

Dawn Marie
Feb 13th, 2002, 05:04 AM
Linton what is wrong with you? you can't deal with my opinions now?

First of all when I wrote K K K it was ALSO as Okay Okay Okay.. just like yours was..lol Why bring up a hate group? Get your mind out of there.. lmao

I was refering to you being a HINGIS fan..AND one of the most OBNOXIOUS players on the circuit the past 4 years. Imho .. she seemed like she was the bomb and had this superior attiude.

p.s. Linton: I am a Venus fan and I aint gonna exactly chair and rave over your fav... K K K:)

By the way it was your fav who dissed many wta vets .. Jana, Steffi, Amelie which one could say also refers to Martina Navratalova. So you silly for talking about Venus.. in that aspect.

So honeychild go and check your own backyard before you set foot In Venus's galaxy.:)

Feb 13th, 2002, 05:07 AM
I said sorry. I made this post. And venus's galaxy. Lol Mosre like deserves pluto. Just a bit of cheering. Martina is the Universe. Venus inhabits the Universe with a planet.

Dawn Marie
Feb 13th, 2002, 05:21 AM
Now looky, just because Hingis has a supernova shaped head doesn't mean she's the universe. Also it takes beautiful planets and stars to make a Universe. without them Hingis would be one big ball of mass.:)

J/K with you Linton. Hingis and Venus are both very beautiful women.. imho.:) Both possess great features.:)

Feb 13th, 2002, 05:23 AM
they're both beautiful but my eyes says Mars is more beautiful than Venus.:angel:

Dawn Marie
Feb 13th, 2002, 05:25 AM
Each planet has it's own distinct beauty. Personally I think Saturn and Jupiter are both gorgeous.

Cybelle Darkholme
Feb 13th, 2002, 05:26 AM
This thread is TIRED.

Feb 13th, 2002, 05:30 AM
see here cybelledarkholmexx we have gone into a new conversation see if u think its tired then y do u post in it. if it is tired for u u should completley ignore it and pretend this thread doesnt exsist here. and if u can do that it owuld be greatly appreciated because i dont want ure bitching,

Feb 13th, 2002, 05:34 AM
I'm glad she's tired.hehehe:p :p :p

Feb 13th, 2002, 11:31 AM
easy - There are among us Venus fans those who find Martina a joy to watch. And I for one am glad she has outside interests. People who call her a 'tennis robot' just haven't checked out what her life is actually like. But even if all she was was tennis, watching Martina against all but maybe four players in the world is like watching surgery. Only Martina doesn't apply anesthesia first.

Rather than paint us all with a broad brush, why not have it out with the posters who actually trouble you? I'll bet you'll find you have no problem with most Venus fans. Except that we're a little obsessed with Venus. :)

Williams Rulez
Feb 13th, 2002, 11:39 AM
Originally posted by easy
venus fans think that venus likes doing things other than tennis and that's good. but martina likes doing little but tennis and that's bad. well, it seems as though both of them are doing what they like to do and should both be applauded. why the double standard?

if venus isnt willing to commit herself to the no. 1 ranking, that's her problem (and her fans' too), none of us should be bothered. if she does get to no. 1, good for her.

btw marti does like playing many other sports ;) :hearts:

Right... you are not bothered... so why bother to respond? :rolleyes: