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SpikeyAidanm
Dec 4th, 2003, 09:23 AM
The Official PAW (Pick-A-Winner) Rules and FAQ’s

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1. I’m new and I have never played PAW, so how does it work?

PAW is an abbreviation for Pick-A-Winner. It is a game when you predict the winners of matches of your choice during a WTA Tournament. As a PAW player, you are indeed like a WTA player, you will be travelling the PAW circuit each week predicting matches in each tournament. PAW is game in which there is no pre-determined luck or fantasy, your performance is based on your own conscience relative to your fellow PAW competitors.

2. Ok, so I hear something about predicting matches, is there a limit to the number of matches I predict per tournament?

Yes there is a limit.

For:
Grand Slams, you are permitted to 26 picks
Other 128-draw tournaments, you are permitted to 19 picks
One-week 64-draw tournaments, you are permitted to 16 picks
One-week 32-draw tournaments, you are permitted to 13 picks
16-draw tournaments/round-robins, you are permitted to 7 picks.

The number of matches you pick can be from ANY rounds in the main draw. For example for a one-week 32 draw tournament you are allowed 13 picks.
(For instance, you might choose 4 First Round Matches, 4 Second Round matches, 2 Quarter Finals, both Semis and the Final. Or you could choose 12 First Round matches and the Final.)

>> The only stipulation is that you may not make all of your picks in the same round.

3. So how is my performance measured relative to everyone else’s, is it to do with who picks the most correct matches?

NO, your predicting performance at the end of the tournament will be determined and determined only by the Scoring Points that you have compiled throughout the week.

4. So what are these Scoring Points?

For every singles main draw match, there will be scoring points posted in the first post. Here is an example taken from Filderstadt round two in 2003.

The Fixtures and Scoring Points:


K.Clijsters (1) vs D.Hantuchova..........(6-16)
P.Schnyder vs A.Mauresmo (5).............(12-8)
J.Capriati (4) vs M.Pierce...............(5-19)
M.Maleeva vs C.Rubin (7).................(12-9)
A.Myskina (8) vs E.Bovina................(7-14)
A.Sugiyama vs L.Davenport (3)............(13-8)

The numbers after the fixtures are the Scoring Points. These are the respective points you score for picking each player. So if you pick CLIJSTERS to beat HANTUCHOVA and CLIJSTERS wins then you score 6 points.

But if you pick HANTUCHOVA to win and she wins then you score 16 points. Of course, if you pick HANTUCHOVA and she loses you score nothing at all.

As you have noticed, you get more points for picking low-ranked players than for picking high-ranked players. So for each of your selected matches you can choose to go for a “longshot” or to play it safe.

Let’s say you picked these matches:

PAW04 CLIJSTERS over HANTUCHOVA
PAW05 SCHNYDER over MAURESMO
PAW06 CAPRIATI over Pierce
PAW07 MALEEVA over Rubin
PAW08 BOVINA over Myskina
PAW09 SUGIYAMA over Davenport

nB: Since you are limited to a certain amount of “picks” in a tournament (13 in this particular tournament), in an actual game you may choose to 'pass' on some of these matches.

The Results:

K.Clijsters (1) bt D.Hantuchova 6-1, 6-1
You picked CLIJSTERS so you score 6 points

P.Schnyder bt A.Mauresmo (5) 6-2, 6-2
You picked SCHNYDER so you score 12 points

M.Pierce bt J.Capriati (4) 6-4, 6-2
You picked CAPRIATI so you score 0 points

M.Maleeva bt C.Rubin (7) 6-3, 6-4
You picked MALEEVA so you score 12 points

E.Bovina bt A.Myskina (8) 6-2, 6-3
You picked BOVINA so you score 14 points

L.Davenport (3) bt A.Sugiyama 6-2, 6-4
You picked SUGIYAMA so you score 0 points

So from those six matches, you would have accumulated a total of 6 + 12 + 0 + 12 + 14 + 0 = 44 points. The player with the most points at the end of the tournament is the winner. A 'league table' is maintained and will posted in the first post of the PAW thread throughout that tournament.

4.1 PAW Scoring Points Calculation (for Managers/Players)

Formula:

PLAYER'S A ranking pts: A
PLAYER'S B ranking pts: B

Player's A PAW scoring pts: = SQRT (100*B / A) or 10*SQRT(B)/SQRT(A)
Player's B PAW scoring pts: = SQRT (100*A / B) or 10*SQRT(A)/SQRT(B)
(SQRT=square root)

EXAMPLE:

Rome 2009 Final:

SAFINA, Dinara vs KUZNETSOVA, Svetlana

SAFINA, Dinara - Ranking pts: 8951
KUZNETSOVA, Svetlana - Ranking pts: 4308

SAFINA, Dinara PAW Scoring pts = SQRT (100*4308/8951) = 6.93 = 7
KUZNETSOVA, Svetlana PAW Scoring pts = SQRT (100*8951/4308) = 14.41 = 14

SAFINA, Dinara vs KUZNETSOVA, Svetlana ..........(7-14)

Note:

1. The ranking list to be used for PAW scoring points is the ranking at the time of the draw.
Normally it's the previous week's ranking (but in Indian Wells and Miami case he draw comes out
AFTER the new ranking is released)

2. Round off all scoring pts to the nearest integer, eg. 10.49 = 10 but 10.50 = 11.

3. In case of unranked player or a player who has less than 40 ranking pts, she is allocated 40 pts
for the calculation of PAW scoring points.

5. How and where do I post my PAW’s (Predictions)?

Once the tournament that you have committed begins (keep reading for instructions of how to commit), go to the PAW thread located in that particular tournament forum (ie if it is Dubai, go to the Dubai tournament forum and then click the PAW Dubai thread). You may also send your picks by PM to the current PAW manager of that tournament.

Study the Fixtures and Scoring Points in the first post and then name your picks. The Fixtures and Scoring Points will appear when the First Round draw is made. You are allowed to post your picks before the Fixtures and Scoring Points have been posted on the thread.

This is how to post your prediction:

PAWn: Player A over Player B

E.g. PAW06 MALEEVA over RUBIN

"n" should indicate which of your 13 chosen fixtures it is. (ie your first chosen fixture should be labelled PAW01 and the last chosen fixture may be labelled PAW13.)

Numbering PAWS not only is important to help the current PAW manager, but also helps you keep track of all your own Picks.

nB:
> You must posted your prediction in the format "PAWn MALEEVA over RUBIN", it must be clearly specified who you have predicted to win. If you posted “PAWn MALEEVA vs RUBIN,” this pick would be deemed invalid. You are also required to specify the full surname of the players - no abbreviations or nicknames please.

> You cannot post two PAW picks for the same match. i.e. PAW10 Safina over Kuznetsova, PAW11 Kuznetsova over Safina. In this case, both picks will be declared invalid and may be replaced.

6. What happens when wtaworld.com is slow or down?

In this extreme situation, you may post your PAW picks onto the PAW Emergency Forum at the following web address: http://www.pawforum.ovh.org/ ; please remember to include your tennisforum.com username.

It is not permitted that players allow other PAW players to post PAW's for them, all PAW's submitted must be that player's account.

7. Is it correct that I have to post my PAW’s before that match has started, would my PAW still be valid if I posted my PAW during the first few games?

NO, All picks must be made before the match begins. If there is a chance the match had started when the Pick was posted then that Pick cannot be accepted. This rule is applied very strictly.

PAW Managers are encouraged to use the start times of WTA matches listed on http://www.xscores.com/tennis website when determining late picks.

8. Would a PAW become invalid if a player withdrew from their match?

This depends:
> If the player withdrew before the match and not one single point was completed, the PAW would be invalid and players are allowed to make a replacement PAW.

> If the player withdraws from the match after one point has been played, the PAW is declared valid and the final result of the match will count.

9. What if a player withdraws from the final (before the match), would that make the last pick invalid and mean I would go throughout the tournament only picking 12 matches, rather than the maximum 13?

Yes, this is an unfortunate circumstance. If it is impossible to make a replacement PAW it is unfortunate and no Scoring Points are awarded. This rule applies to all matches not played (e.g. matches cancelled due to rain).

10. What if I change my mind after I make my PAW, can I change it?

It is strongly encouraged that you make up your mind before you pick. However you are allowed to make replacement PAWS as long as it is posted before the match and it most be specified in a new post. You MUST NOT edit your original post, since this is not efficient for the PAW manager in compiling your picks.

11. What if a draw change occurred, that affected my pick, would that make it invalid?

Yes, however you are again permitted to post a replacement PAW that must be specified in a new post rather than editing the original one.

nB: Once a Pick is posted in the PAW thread, it may not be changed or deleted.

Players who are found to have edited or deleted any posts may be immediately excluded from that particular PAW tournament. Any attempt by a player to cheat whilst playing PAW will result in a lengthy or permanent ban from playing PAW.

The PAW Manager frequently takes copies of the thread text at regular intervals and the Picks are entered into a database. Moderators also frequently check the PAW threads for deleted posts.

12. Am I permitted to play under two or more accounts in PAW?

In order to retain the integrity and spirit of PAW, this is not allowed. Players that appear to be suspicious of having accounts transmitting from the same IP, will have their IP’s checked from the tennisforum.com webmasters and could risk being suspended in PAW.

The previous requirement that you must be a member on tennisforum.com for at least 2 months to play PAW and also have at least 100 posts is NO LONGER APPLICABLE. New forum members can join the PAW game immediately.

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Re: The League Table

Each player's points are tallied and the player with the most points at the end of the tournament is declared the winner. In the event of a points tie for position, the tiebreak rule will be applied as detailed Section 14 below. The 'League Table' is maintained daily by the PAW Manager throughout the tournament.

Here's an example from end of the Sparkassen Cup in Leipzig, tournament:

. . Player..................... .. .P .. W .. L ..Pts

1 . speedster_................. .. 13 .. 8 .. 5 ..133
2 . saab95..................... .. 13 .. 8 .. 5 ..128
3 . sandg (2).................. .. 13 .. 8 .. 5 ..126
4 . YoungProfessor............. .. 13 .. 9 .. 4 ..124
5 . ntohir..................... .. 13 .. 9 .. 4 ..122
6 . Wojtek (1)................. .. 13 .. 8 .. 5 ..117
7 . Je_ne_sais_quoi............ .. 13 .. 7 .. 6 ..105
8 . mypapa_je.................. .. 13 .. 6 .. 7 ..102
9 . SpikeyAidanm (4)........... .. 13 .. 6 .. 7 .. 96
10 . j_dementieva27............ .. 13 .. 7 .. 6 .. 94
11 . twight6................... .. 13 .. 7 .. 6 .. 93
12 . WTA Handicapper (6)....... .. 13 .. 9 .. 4 .. 92
13 . danielrosario (5)......... .. 13 .. 8 .. 5 .. 91
14 . Buitenzorg................ .. 13 .. 5 .. 8 .. 89
.. . firefly_ac................ .. 13 .. 5 .. 8 .. 89
16 . Duleml (WC)............... .. 13 .. 8 .. 5 .. 88
.. . K&J fan................... .. 13 .. 7 .. 6 .. 88
18 . iloveSharapova............ .. .9 .. 6 .. 3 .. 87
19 . paellapan................. .. 12 .. 6 .. 6 .. 86
20 . Jeff...................... .. 13 .. 7 .. 6 .. 81
21 . croat123.................. .. 13 .. 7 .. 6 .. 80
.. . Pintaled.................. .. 13 .. 7 .. 6 .. 80
23 . obatafan.................. .. 13 .. 4 .. 9 .. 77
24 . Rtael..................... .. 13 .. 7 .. 6 .. 76
25 . Hardiansf................. .. 13 .. 7 .. 6 .. 75
26 . wateva.................... .. 13 .. 7 .. 6 .. 74
27 . silent140................. .. 13 .. 5 .. 8 .. 73
.. . Nir....................... .. 13 .. 6 .. 7 .. 73
29 . azza...................... .. 13 .. 7 .. 6 .. 67
.. . bbypk (7)................. .. 12 .. 7 .. 5 .. 67
.. . switz..................... .. 11 .. 6 .. 5 .. 67
32 . Mashy..................... .. 12 .. 5 .. 7 .. 66
33 . Hantuchov................. .. 13 .. 5 .. 8 .. 65
.. . jindrich77................ .. 12 .. 6 .. 6 .. 65
35 . zorgzamesnip.............. .. 12 .. 5 .. 7 .. 63
.. . MonicaSelesFan2........... .. 10 .. 6 .. 4 .. 63
37 . aussiefan83............... .. 13 ..10 .. 3 .. 61
38 . broncosven................ .. 13 .. 6 .. 7 .. 60
39 . Edman..................... .. 13 .. 4 .. 9 .. 59
40 . Lee-Waters' Boy........... .. 12 .. 5 .. 7 .. 58
.. . aussie_stars.............. .. 10 .. 6 .. 4 .. 58
.. . raquel.................... .. 13 .. 8 .. 5 .. 58
43 . ZAK....................... .. 13 .. 5 .. 8 .. 56
44 . ghosts.................... .. 13 .. 7 .. 6 .. 55
45 . lukehingis................ .. .9 .. 6 .. 3 .. 54
46 . Catriel................... .. 12 .. 4 .. 8 .. 51
47 . bionic71.................. .. 12 .. 5 .. 7 .. 50
48 . korben.................... .. 10 .. 5 .. 5 .. 49
49 . Grice (8)................. .. 11 .. 6 .. 5 .. 47
50 . polishprodigy............. .. 11 .. 3 .. 8 .. 44
.. . Jakub (3)................. .. 12 .. 5 .. 7 .. 44
.. . RyanGiggs................. .. 13 .. 5 .. 8 .. 44
53 . Elisse.................... .. 10 .. 3 .. 7 .. 43
54 . caramel................... .. 12 .. 6 .. 6 .. 40
55 . oren987................... .. 10 .. 4 .. 6 .. 38
56 . bartektrz................. .. 11 .. 4 .. 7 .. 36
57 . Jarrett................... .. .8 .. 2 .. 6 .. 28
58 . !.Steven.!................ .. .9 .. 3 .. 6 .. 25
59 . chill1533 (WC)............ .. 13 .. 5 .. 8 .. 24
60 . marcobarella.............. .. 10 .. 2 .. 8 .. 15
.. . butch..................... .. 11 .. 2 .. 9 .. 15
62 . yucky..................... .. .8 .. 1 .. 7 .. 12
63 . petosp.................... .. .9 .. 1 .. 8 .. .3
64 . casanovalover (WC)........ .. .5 .. 0 .. 5 .. .0

> Under the far left column represents the league table position of that player, which usually changes on daily basis.

> Under the “P” column are the total number of picks made of that player at a certain time (ie – after the QF or after the whole tournament). This column is important for players to check out how many picks they have left.

> Under the “W” column are the number of picks that player has made correctly. This has no bearing on their final league table position, remember only the total amount of points are considered.

> Similarly, under the “L” column are the number of picks the player has made incorrectly.

> Under the “Pts” column is the total number of points the player has gained through the scoring points of the matches. Again this is continually changing until the final day.

nB:
> (n) denotes the seed of that player, which like the WTA Ranking system is determined through the player’s PAW ranking as of the previous week. Seeded players are not advantaged in any way.

> (WC) represents that that particular player has requested a wildcard to enter the tournament, see the section of commitments for more details about Wildcards.

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Re: Rankings

The PAW Ranking System closely mirrors the WTA Ranking System. Ranking Points are awarded according to positions in the Final League Table of each tournament.

12. How do I find out my PAW Ranking?

The PAW Ranking will be updated on a weekly basis (unless there are no tournaments completed that week). The Rankings can be viewed in the PAW Ranking Thread, which will be located in the PAW forum.

Here is an example of the PAW Ranking (Only top 20 listed) taken from the end of 2012.



PAW Ranking as of December 31st, 2012
Final Rankings 2012 - doubled
-#-- Pre#- Name................ NAT # NEW OLD 16 17 Added N.Off
001 (001) sdtoot.............. GBR 18 6532 6532 36 32 0 0
002 (002) LUXXXAS............. POL 35 6076 6076 96 94 0 96
003 (003) rrfnpump............ GER 32 5406 5406 82 60 0 8
004 (004) Sasja............... NED 34 5366 5366 78 76 0 70
005 (005) sandg............... INA 26 4898 4898 140 124 0 0
006 (006) Frederik............ USA 32 4662 4662 116 94 0 0
007 (007) smokovec............ ITA 26 4570 4570 62 56 0 32
008 (008) MAGIKARPETTA........ ITA 35 4360 4360 98 94 0 200
009 (009) Buitenzorg.......... AUS 35 4124 4124 112 94 0 60
010 (010) Archer16............ ISR 33 4110 4110 86 82 0 0
011 (011) delicatecutter...... ENG 34 4080 4080 148 106 0 30
012 (012) Hindrance........... AUS 35 3984 3984 70 66 0 182
013 (013) Hapsara............. SWE 35 3976 3976 148 116 0 38
014 (014) SamR03a............. NOR 35 3896 3896 148 116 0 150
015 (015) kondrashov.......... RUS 35 3856 3856 118 112 0 56
016 (016) Meelis.............. EST 34 3802 3802 116 94 0 26
017 (017) Chris 84............ IRL 34 3614 3614 92 58 0 36
018 (018) kfh_9118............ INA 30 3554 3554 94 84 0 60
019 (019) pedropt............. POR 33 3542 3542 76 74 0 66
020 (020) Hachiko............. JPN 16 3420 3420 42 28 0 0

> The column under “-#--” denotes the rank of that respective player.

> The column under “Pre#-” denotes the previous rank of that respective player a week ago.

> The column under “NAT” represents the country of that respective player.

> The column under “#” represents the total number of tournaments that player has participated in a 52 week cycle.

> The column under “NEW” denotes the latest ranking points total for that player.

> The column under “OLD” denotes the previous weeks ranking points total for that player.

> The column under “16th” denotes the 16th best tournament total of that player.

> The column under “17th” denotes the 17th best tournament total of that player. This point total is not added to the PAW Ranking total, however it will be for example when the player loses ranking points (let’s say their 10th best tournament points) from a year ago, and then the 11th best tournament would turn into their 10th best, and their 17th best would become their 16th best etc…

> The column under “Added” indicates the number of ranking points that that player has gained from the past week (all ranking points received each week will be entered in a database for each player)

> The column under “N.Off” represents the number points that player will lose the next week (also known as points to defend) as a result for their tournament performances from exactly a year ago.

13. How are ranking points distributed?

For example for an International Ranked tournament, ranking points are offered to the following places as follows:

1st --- 280 ...... 13th --- 38 ...... 25th --- 18 ...... 37th ---- 6
2nd --- 200 ...... 14th --- 36 ...... 26th --- 17 ...... 38th ---- 6
3rd --- 148 ...... 15th --- 34 ...... 27th --- 16 ...... 39th ---- 5
4th --- 116 ...... 16th --- 32 ...... 28th --- 15 ...... 40th ---- 5
5th ---- 94 ...... 17th --- 30 ...... 29th --- 14 ...... 41st ---- 4
6th ---- 82 ...... 18th --- 28 ...... 30th --- 13 ...... 42nd ---- 4
7th ---- 70 ...... 19th --- 26 ...... 31st --- 12 ...... 43rd ---- 3
8th ---- 60 ...... 20th --- 24 ...... 32nd --- 11 ...... 44th ---- 3
9th ---- 52 ...... 21st --- 22 ...... 33rd --- 10 ...... 45th ---- 2
10th --- 48 ...... 22nd --- 21 ...... 34th ---- 9 ...... 46th ---- 2
11th --- 44 ...... 23rd --- 20 ...... 35th ---- 8 ...... 47th ---- 1
12th --- 40 ...... 24th --- 19 ...... 36th ---- 7 ...... 48th ---- 1

14. What happens if I finish equal 3rd with two other players, does that mean the 3rd, 4th and 5th position are determined through who has the best win-loss ratio?

No, the following Tie-Break rule will be used from the start of the 2013 season:-

Tie-Break

In case several players have the same number of points in the final League Table, the following rules will be used to determine their final ranking:-

1. The greater number of won picks.
If there is still a tie then:
2. The greater points of a single pick.
If there is still a tie then the greater second-best pick, and so on.
Note - A No pick will be considered better than 0 pts.
3. If there is still a tie then players will stay tied.

15. What happens if I do actually finish tied with another player, e.g. 10th position. Does that mean we both earn 32 ranking points that week?

No, players who cannot be separated by the Tie-Break rule above, are awarded “average ranking points.”

For example if two players finish equal 10th, each would earn ( 32 + 29 ) / 2 = 30.5 points (see the above table). If say three players finished equal 10th, each would earn ( 32 + 29 + 26) / 3 = 29 points.

16. Are the games PAW(s) Doubles, PAW ITF and PAW Qualifying related to this game?

No, and they never will be. These game are run by different people and have different rules.

17. OK, I’ve read everything and understood it and I would like to play, so what do I do now?

Just go to the current PAW commitment thread which is located in the PAW forum and post, “I commit to….,” the tournaments available, that can be seen on the first post of that thread. You must have posted a commitment before the deadline (which will normally be 9pm CET on the evening before the start of main draw play or else you will have to apply for a wildcard). Remember you can play just one PAW game at a time. Even when more than one tournament is run simultaneously, and there are PAW games for each of them, you must commit to one tournament.

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Final Re: Commitments/Wildcards

18. Commitments:

All players that have committed to a PAW tournament before the deadline may enter, those players that haven't committed may apply for a Wildcard (See below).

The deadline for commitments will normally be 9pm CET on the evening before the start of main draw play (i.e. 9pm CET Sunday evening for a Monday main draw start).

A minimum of 12 commitments is required before the deadline for a PAW tournament to go ahead. Where a tournament fails to reach 12 commitments, then players will be automatically transferred to an alternative PAW tournament that week.

PAW tournaments which do not have a manager allocated will be cancelled 24 hours before the commitment deadline for that tournament and all players who have committed to that tournament will be moved to alternative PAW tournament which does have a manager.

19. Wildcards (WC):

If you fail to commit to a PAW tournament before the commitment deadline, then you may ask the PAW Manager for a Wildcard by posting a 'WC request' on that particular PAW tournament thread.

NB.
The number of Wildcards per tournament which may be issued by the manager is now UNLIMITED. A player may only receive a maximum of 2 Wildcards per calendar year. The PAW Manager will allocate a Wildcard, providing that WC request is valid and that the player has not already used their 2 Wildcards in that calendar year. To assist managers and players, the number of Wildcards used by the PAW players in a calendar year are logged in the Monthly PAW Commitments Thread list in post #1.

If a player posts PAW picks without a commitment or a WC request, then the PAW Manager shall automatically allocate a Wildcard to any ‘non-committed’ player who post picks onto the tournament thread. (providing that a player is eligible to receive a Wildcard).

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Cheers, Good Luck and Happy picking!
SpikeyAidanm

:wavey:

azza
Dec 4th, 2003, 09:36 AM
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WTA Handicapper
Dec 4th, 2003, 09:43 AM
Well Explained Spikey
WTA Handicapper

ghosts
Dec 7th, 2003, 04:43 PM
Well done Spikey :D

j_dementieva27
Dec 10th, 2003, 02:55 AM
(claps for spikey) ... very well explained for any newcomers and im glad to see that there arent any major changes

and if you or anybody else are very swamped with a particualr PAW tournament... feel feel to PM me im sure i can help somewhat

nitsansh
Dec 15th, 2003, 12:01 AM
Good work Spikey!

I have a reservation about rule #10 concerning changing of picks. This should not be allowed in the latter stages of a tournament, as players may take advantage of knowing what other players posted... you see what I mean?

HotSpot
Dec 18th, 2003, 08:04 AM
Good Work :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship:

.... especially for Leipzeg League Table as sample...... : :( :( :(

j_dementieva27
Dec 31st, 2003, 05:08 AM
i donno about you guys but i cannot wait any longer for the damn season to start so we can start PAW'ing again

it really makes being a women's tennis fan so much more fun

Pintaled
Dec 31st, 2003, 05:24 AM
I cant wait either :D

SpikeyAidanm
Feb 21st, 2004, 08:14 AM
New Rule added under Q6 - "It is not permitted that player allow other PAW players to post PAW's for them, all PAW's submitted must be that player's account."

bgbgbg
Mar 4th, 2004, 03:32 PM
stupid question :)
may I play one match both ways
for example:
paw 10: Rubin over Capriati
paw 11: Capriati over Rubin

Nir
Mar 4th, 2004, 03:39 PM
No, only one bet on each game ;)

SpikeyAidanm
Mar 8th, 2004, 08:03 AM
New Rule added:

16. Are the games PAW(s) Doubles, PAW ITF and PAW Qualifying related to this game?

No, and they never will be. These game are run by different people and have different rules.

nitsansh
Mar 8th, 2004, 07:31 PM
You know you have a good product when others try to copy it...

crazillo
Mar 10th, 2004, 05:11 PM
Good work.

saab95
Mar 11th, 2004, 04:16 PM
Dear sandg or SpikeyAidanm!

Can you explain :
the difference between 2-20 and 3-30?
and why one day we have 2-20 and
3-30 for another (03.03.2004)?

SpikeyAidanm
Mar 11th, 2004, 10:12 PM
Dear sandg or SpikeyAidanm!

Can you explain :
the difference between 2-20 and 3-30?
and why one day we have 2-20 and
3-30 for another (03.03.2004)?

There has never been a 2-20 ???

5-20 more like it.

Cosmopolitan
Mar 26th, 2004, 06:28 AM
This seems like an interesting game. I think I might try it!

roxi
Apr 7th, 2004, 10:45 PM
I know that I'm stupid ,maybe because I'm blond or maybe because this is far too much English for me , but where I need to write :' I commit to',and can I get wc or i can automaticly play next week because i haven't any ranking

SpikeyAidanm
Apr 8th, 2004, 01:00 AM
Commit in the commitment thread, easy to find in the PAW forum, you can start playing from Birmingham 2004 onwards.

roxi
Apr 8th, 2004, 07:36 PM
Thanks a lot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

anantak2k
May 23rd, 2004, 06:04 PM
Hey Spikey
I read the rules. i dont understand why I cant start PAWing?

sesilfan
Jun 8th, 2004, 01:48 PM
:confused: :confused: :confused: I dont know where is that PAW forum

Ryan
Jul 14th, 2004, 05:47 PM
I'll join! :D

Masharapova
Jul 18th, 2004, 04:25 AM
> If the tournament does not provide live scores, the Closing Time for each match will determined by a formula, which is based on the total number of games played in earlier matches in the same session. Basically, three minutes are allowed for each game plus 10 minutes for each break between matches.

no offence but this rule is stupid. a match hasn't even started and people paw it when the match before it is still going on. i think it's really unfair but i can understand why it is too much for the managers to handle with picks coming flying in 10 minutes before a match. i still think this rule needs to be changed though because it's a little unfair especially when a match hasn't even started and it is invalid.

Farina Elia Fan
Oct 9th, 2004, 12:05 PM
can i join?

felipe2004
Dec 23rd, 2004, 12:12 AM
Hello, how can I join?

SpikeyAidanm
Dec 23rd, 2004, 02:02 AM
Hello, how can I join?
commit in the January-February 2005 commitment thread. :)

Hayato
Dec 23rd, 2004, 03:03 AM
:woohoo: Felipe joined :woohoo:

Becool
Jan 26th, 2005, 05:16 AM
I want to join too :)

RussiansFan
Feb 27th, 2005, 11:24 AM
I'm new here, however this is a beautiful game, good job!
I'll run to commit just now! :) :)

roxi
May 18th, 2005, 08:24 PM
Hi again ! Can I play RG2005 and if I can where I must write : I commit to ...??????????

sandg
May 18th, 2005, 11:06 PM
Hi again ! Can I play RG2005 and if I can where I must write : I commit to ...??????????

Post commitments in this thread - http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?t=155156

da'bitch!
Jul 8th, 2005, 07:12 AM
hi, i would really like to join in with PAW!

leeber
Jul 11th, 2005, 04:29 AM
WOW :eek:

William Hunt
Jul 29th, 2005, 08:50 PM
Shouldn't the number of PAW's be upgraded ? In PAW ATP U can pick 16 picks in an ATP tournament, in PAW WTA usually only 13 which is not that much. Some more picks would make it more fun and would avoid more people ending on the same number of points.

nitsansh
Jul 29th, 2005, 10:10 PM
Tournaments with draw of 32 players have 13 picks
Tournaments with draw of 64 players (inc byes) have 16 players
Tournaments with 96 players (Miami & Indian Wells) have 19 picks
Grand Slams (128 players) have 26 picks

William Hunt
Jul 30th, 2005, 08:51 AM
Tournaments with draw of 32 players have 13 picks
Tournaments with draw of 64 players (inc byes) have 16 players
Tournaments with 96 players (Miami & Indian Wells) have 19 picks
Grand Slams (128 players) have 26 picks

Thanx, I still think it should be more than 13 though, it would result in less people ending on the same nr. of points.

amirhendel
Sep 27th, 2005, 03:41 PM
yah!!!! i successed to play!!! finally

amirhendel
Oct 2nd, 2005, 08:19 PM
i have question:
is there any national competion? the top 5 player of any country....
that was nice

nitsansh
Oct 7th, 2005, 02:01 AM
no offence but this rule is stupid. a match hasn't even started and people paw it when the match before it is still going on. i think it's really unfair but i can understand why it is too much for the managers to handle with picks coming flying in 10 minutes before a match. i still think this rule needs to be changed though because it's a little unfair especially when a match hasn't even started and it is invalid.
The 3-minutes-per-game rule is used in cases that the actual start time of a match can't be determined.
A rule is fair when it is announced in advance and applied equally to all.

Munchen
Oct 18th, 2005, 12:18 PM
can i play? :)

SpikeyAidanm
Oct 18th, 2005, 12:19 PM
can i play? :)
yes :wavey: :hatoff:

Munchen
Oct 18th, 2005, 12:25 PM
Thanks :)

I'll commit now.

IceHock
Dec 23rd, 2005, 09:58 PM
im confused on like u can pick so many`matches per tourney. i dont get it.canu only choose so many first round matches and so on or does someone pu matches for us to choose.like i mean im justconfused on that we choose our matches but if we use them all up say before the quarters we cant choose anymore??

SpikeyAidanm
Dec 24th, 2005, 02:13 AM
im confused on like u can pick so many`matches per tourney. i dont get it.canu only choose so many first round matches and so on or does someone pu matches for us to choose.like i mean im justconfused on that we choose our matches but if we use them all up say before the quarters we cant choose anymore??
you can use up all your picks in any round, except you can't use ALL of them in round one, ie if its a Grand Slam tourney you can pick 25 1r matches and 1 2r match or say 10 1r matches, 8 2r matches, 3 3r matches etc etc, welcome to PAW :wavey:

azmad_88
Jan 14th, 2006, 04:57 AM
can i still join?

mapaliey
Feb 1st, 2006, 03:38 PM
how can i join
is there any place
plz i still confused

Yarden
Feb 3rd, 2006, 02:02 PM
..

SpikeyAidanm
Apr 27th, 2006, 11:09 AM
Rules changed: You must now have at least 100 posts to play PAW.

crazillo
Apr 27th, 2006, 11:11 AM
I had an idea the other night, but dunno if you will like it...

I always thought better ranked player should - like on the real tour - have advantages like top players do as well...

I thought that probably top players could have the chance to have one more pick or so. On the other hand this would eventually destroy the competition...

What do you think?

SpikeyAidanm
Apr 27th, 2006, 11:35 AM
you mean top players as the seeded players for the tourney? im undecided still

crazillo
Apr 27th, 2006, 12:45 PM
you mean top players as the seeded players for the tourney? im undecided still

Yeah. Let's say we have 8 seeded players for Estoril. They are seeded and - as on the real tour - they should have an advantage.
In PAW, this could be an additional pick. So for example someone can pick 14 instead of 13 matches.
Just an idea though. ;)

crazillo
Apr 27th, 2006, 12:48 PM
The thing I don't know about it is that in contast to the other games everybody really has equal chances in PAW. The question is whether that would be something we should leave like it is now or if we try to adapt a bit more to the tour... Because sometimes I'm really wondering about the sense of seeding expect for the number behind your name. *lol*

nitsansh
Apr 27th, 2006, 10:53 PM
I'm strongly against it.
That's like giving seeded players a 1-game advantage in each set.

nitsansh
Apr 27th, 2006, 10:59 PM
The advantage that seeds have in tennis tournaments is that they don't meet other top players in early rounds. In the matches themselves, all players have the same conditions.

artit
May 2nd, 2006, 05:43 AM
can i play?

SpikeyAidanm
May 3rd, 2006, 03:44 AM
can i play?
when you reach 100 posts.

Summer Snow
May 30th, 2006, 04:55 AM
I would like to join :help:

Summer Snow
May 30th, 2006, 04:57 AM
I did not read all the rules because I do not like reading :o I think I kind of understand it though. Where do I go to Pick My Winners :)

stevos
Jun 9th, 2006, 03:25 AM
Im going to join once Ive been here 2 months. So, do you pick all matches on one day, or can you wait till 1st round is over to pick 2nd and so on?

SpikeyAidanm
Jun 9th, 2006, 05:41 AM
I did not read all the rules because I do not like reading :o I think I kind of understand it though. Where do I go to Pick My Winners :)
in the tournament thread you commited for in that tournament forum (prob not up yet)

Just Do It
Jul 15th, 2006, 10:13 PM
i still dont get it :)

lol

Just Do It
Jul 15th, 2006, 10:14 PM
can i earn vCash playing this game ?

Aaron.
Jul 15th, 2006, 10:15 PM
can i earn vCash playing this game ? No!

Slampova
Dec 1st, 2006, 12:18 AM
Ok, I wanna play. Do I just have to commit to a tournament when the commitment threads are started or do I have to wait a certain length of time to start playing?

Tetetubby2000
Dec 10th, 2006, 03:55 PM
can i play? i posted tournaments in committments thread.

sandg
Dec 11th, 2006, 11:05 AM
Ok, I wanna play. Do I just have to commit to a tournament when the commitment threads are started or do I have to wait a certain length of time to start playing?


You can sign in the commitment in here

http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?t=276761

sandg
Dec 11th, 2006, 11:17 AM
can i play? i posted tournaments in committments thread.

yes, welcome in 2007 season

dawid
Dec 13th, 2006, 06:35 PM
I was born in 1991. Can I play in this game? :)

Dor Y
Dec 15th, 2006, 10:48 AM
I want to play in this game :)
Can I ?

sandg
Dec 15th, 2006, 03:06 PM
I was born in 1991. Can I play in this game? :)

I want to play in this game :)
Can I ?

yes, you can play

please sign in your commitment in this thread

http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?t=276761

Slampova
Dec 17th, 2006, 11:02 PM
You can sign in the commitment in here

http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?t=276761

Thanks :cool:

RonnieO'Sullivan
Dec 20th, 2006, 02:53 PM
can't wait to play :)

Dor Y
Jan 12th, 2007, 10:59 AM
yes, you can play

please sign in your commitment in this thread

http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?t=276761

ok thanks :)

Buitenzorg
Feb 22nd, 2007, 01:23 AM
I love PAW :bounce:

Strangelove
Mar 20th, 2007, 07:52 AM
You must be a member on WTAWorld for at least 2 months to play PAW and also have at least 100 postsIs this still a rule, sandg?

Because I keep turning people down who don't have the above qualifications, and you keep letting them in :lol: :scratch:

sandg
Mar 25th, 2007, 02:24 PM
Is this still a rule, sandg?

Because I keep turning people down who don't have the above qualifications, and you keep letting them in :lol: :scratch:

I just take easy for running the game.
If you running the most tournament in this game, you will find it. A lot of people who PM me request to play and I didn't have much time to corespondencing. I accept them if I'm sure they are really newcomer.

Yes, this is still rule.
But I give up for every Running Manager to accept or refuse them.

ilovepaszek
Apr 1st, 2007, 03:58 AM
Good rule i can remember so well Thank you very much

ilovepaszek
Apr 10th, 2007, 02:39 PM
if i don't have above 100 posts, can i play this game?

ViennaCalling
Apr 10th, 2007, 02:41 PM
if i don't have above 100 posts, can i play this game?

Nice username :kiss: :worship:

ilovepaszek
Apr 11th, 2007, 03:37 AM
if i don't have above 100 posts, can i play this game?Can anyone answer my question?:confused:

~Eclipsed~
Apr 30th, 2007, 05:59 AM
Are you allowed to play two PAWs per week?

Youf
Apr 30th, 2007, 09:43 AM
Can anyone answer my question?:confused:

No, you should have at least 100 posts to play.

Are you allowed to play two PAWs per week?

No.

Dino?Dino.Dino!
Jul 10th, 2007, 08:54 PM
I would like to join, can I just post my tournament commitments in the thread made for those?

~Eclipsed~
Jul 11th, 2007, 04:50 AM
I would like to join, can I just post my tournament commitments in the thread made for those?

well sorta...

since you're not ranked, you should commit to the two itf tournaments since you probably wont' qualify for either of the wtatour events. Go to the first post in the commitment thread for more info. :)

oooo86
Jul 11th, 2007, 09:08 PM
the scoring system is really not fair......
i think it's even harder to play small tournaments because you do'nt know who the players are....!
soo in the new scoring system thos who are ranked high and will be getting into all the major tournaments will get more points than those who play small tournaments because of their rankings... that will make it unposibble for low ranked players to go up in the rankings...
for an example see the points for a tier 2 and a tier 4...... num 32 in tier 4 get the same amount of points as the num 118 in the tier 2....:confused:
and i know you will saud the small tournaments has small amount of players... but if you even the scores more it will make more people to sign in fo the small tournaments....!!
please please post your respond... thanks..!!:worship: :worship:

~Eclipsed~
Jul 12th, 2007, 05:24 AM
the scoring system is really not fair......
i think it's even harder to play small tournaments because you do'nt know who the players are....!
soo in the new scoring system thos who are ranked high and will be getting into all the major tournaments will get more points than those who play small tournaments because of their rankings... that will make it unposibble for low ranked players to go up in the rankings...
for an example see the points for a tier 2 and a tier 4...... num 32 in tier 4 get the same amount of points as the num 118 in the tier 2....:confused:
and i know you will saud the small tournaments has small amount of players... but if you even the scores more it will make more people to sign in fo the small tournaments....!!
please please post your respond... thanks..!!:worship: :worship:

Well i see your point to an extent. But, when you do look at it. It's kinda like the wta. Lower ranked players have to play itfs so if anything PAW is more like that.

And if it makes you feel any better...there's only about 150 active PAW players so when a tier I or GS tournament which allows 128 players, almost every active player will be able to play. Since not everyone plays from week to week, i'm pretty sure this new cut-off system will only affect players ranked 200 and below when they first start playing. So when you really look at it, there's nothing to worry about.:)

oooo86
Jul 12th, 2007, 09:31 AM
o.k. thanks i see your point.....:)

Simon
May 17th, 2008, 02:11 AM
It's good to see the old game's still thriving!

sdtoot
Jan 8th, 2009, 01:30 PM
With the doubling of player ranking points in the 2009 WTA Entry Rankings, the following rule should now be applied:-

In the case of an unranked WTA player or a WTA player who has less than 40 ranking pts, she shall be allocated 40 pts for the calculation of PAW scoring points.

iGOAT
Jan 10th, 2009, 03:27 AM
OK, are there any schedule rules/limitatios? Can you play two tournaments in one week?

sdtoot
Jan 10th, 2009, 12:48 PM
OK, are there any schedule rules/limitatios? Can you play two tournaments in one week?

You can only play one PAW tournament per week.

iGOAT
Jan 10th, 2009, 10:00 PM
You can only play one PAW tournament per week.
Can you play every week or are there limitations?

sdtoot
Jan 11th, 2009, 12:12 AM
Can you play every week or are there limitations?

On some weeks there is only one International tournament scheduled in the WTA calendar - this means that we will have a player entry limit of only the 64 highest ranked PAW players. Quite often however, the manager of that weeks only tournament may allow a higher number of players (or all) to play - the decision is purely in the hands of the PAW tournament manager.

iGOAT
Jan 11th, 2009, 02:51 AM
kk :)

ALYOUNA
Jan 12th, 2009, 08:43 AM
Azarenka withdrew and Knapp replaced her .If I choose Gajdosova def Knapp.Is it invalid or valid?? someone please tell me ,thx.

ALYOUNA
Jan 12th, 2009, 08:44 AM
this is Sydney tournament this week

FrOzon
Jan 12th, 2009, 10:21 AM
Azarenka withdrew and Knapp replaced her .If I choose Gajdosova def Knapp.Is it invalid or valid?? someone please tell me ,thx.

If you did this in time, it should be valid! Why not?

sdtoot
Jan 31st, 2009, 12:50 PM
The recent vote to change the PAW rules on retirement during a match gave a result which was 26-23 in favour of the rule change (two players who voted, 1 for and 1 against, didn't play at PAW Australian Open but this doesn't affect the final poll result). Obviously, the vote was very close but we have to go with the majority opinion.

Therefore all future PAW tournaments (including PAW Fed Cup next week if it goes ahead) shall incorporate the following rule:-

1. If a player withdraws from a match before the first set has been completed, then the PAW pick will be declared invalid and players will be allowed to make a replacement PAW pick.

Thanks
sdtoot :wavey:

^bibi^
Nov 5th, 2009, 07:28 AM
I have a question concerning Alternates in YEC events...

I have a player who so far hasn't picked any match in the tournament, and judging by his lack of activity on the board, I doubt he'll pick any... When can I start adding the Alt in the League table ? Is there a minimum Pick/Players mandatory ? For example if the player in question comes back just in time to only pick the final, or only the final and semis, do we stll accept him in the tournament or is he already replaced by the Alt ?

Thanx for clarifying this :p

sdtoot
Nov 6th, 2009, 11:31 PM
I have a question concerning Alternates in YEC events...

I have a player who so far hasn't picked any match in the tournament, and judging by his lack of activity on the board, I doubt he'll pick any... When can I start adding the Alt in the League table ? Is there a minimum Pick/Players mandatory ? For example if the player in question comes back just in time to only pick the final, or only the final and semis, do we stll accept him in the tournament or is he already replaced by the Alt ?

Thanx for clarifying this :p

Sorry, only just seen this post. Players who qualify must make at least one pick in the RR stages for the YEC's, so I guess the same rule should apply here for Bali. Therefore the ALT is defiantely in after the RR stages.

^bibi^
Nov 7th, 2009, 08:10 AM
Ok thanx :yeah:

Archer16
Jul 7th, 2012, 09:42 PM
http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?t=440818
Is there a similar USO series consisting of 5 tournaments this year?

Emrys
Jul 7th, 2012, 10:01 PM
http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?t=440818
Is there a similar USO series consisting of 5 tournaments this year?

It seems Twight6 is gone , so i can make one.
Still it will be weird with Washington that will be canceled (not enough players, and so far no manager for Stanford)

I will make a thread later this night (watching Klitschko now)

Archer16
Jul 7th, 2012, 10:19 PM
I didn't say it was a great idea ;)
We had this debate with the idea to have one for clay season.
I asked it because it could affect commitments this month.
PAW didn't always have these USO series bonus points.
Maybe another poll?

Emrys
Jul 7th, 2012, 10:39 PM
I didn't say it was a great idea ;)
We had this debate with the idea to have one for clay season.
I asked it because it could affect commitments this month.
PAW didn't always have these USO series bonus points.
Maybe another poll?

Clay season was rejected , cause it doesn't happen in real WTA aswell.
US Open Series is been a part of the PAW game for some years now.
It wasn't in the beginning , but isn't is it for 3 years in a row now ?
Im playing since 2010 , so i don't know how it was before 2010.

If you want to make a poll about it , go ahead.

Archer16
Jul 8th, 2012, 12:28 AM
It was held for the first time in 2004 in real life and in 2010 in PAW.

Emrys
Jul 9th, 2012, 04:51 PM
Dear Emrys!
You are wrong, when interfere with my work.
If I am suspended, why me have not informed?
If I still the manager, then decisions about WC are accepted by me.
Any WC still is not used.
Everyone who have asked, will receive it. But no more than 6 person because rules certain a limit in 5 person, plus one beginner.
WC #1 JJohnyTheSaviOuR
WC #2 digor
WC #3 sdtoot
WC #6 charmedRic





1.i interfear with your work , cause Payam needs a WC , while you said he doesn't...
2.Then i made the list of 5 WC's so Digor (and others) notice on time that it's too late to ask for a WC, and then they can ask one in Palermo (so they won't miss much)
3. I told you before , WC's aren't cookies you can share with everyone.
Only 5 WC's for each tournament ! And where do you find a rule about a new player can have a 6th ? (Shaun ?)
4. I also told you before deadlines are : 21.00 CET the day before the tournament starts. So all requests after that hour are WC's.

5 WC's are: BlackPanther.,Delicatecutter,JjohnyTheSaviOuR,TNT2 009,Payam


We differently understand rules... With your treatment I do not agree. Probably, to discuss it is necessary in other thread.


i stay with my version of what happened in PAW Stanford.

purtov
Jul 9th, 2012, 05:38 PM
1) I was mistaken about the sixth WC.
WC6 It is resolved at forum MTF.
17.2 Wildcards - how many of them are available in the tournament, and when are they granted?

The number of WCs is limited to 5 per tournament. Additionally the manager can grant extra WCs for new players only.
At forum TF of a similar rule is not present. :(

Emrys
Jul 9th, 2012, 05:41 PM
1) I was mistaken about the sixth WC.
WC6 It is resolved at forum MTF.

At forum TF of a similar rule is not present. :(

yeah some rules are different with ATP forum.

purtov
Jul 9th, 2012, 06:02 PM
2) In rules it is written:
If you fail to commit to a PAW tounament before the commitment deadline, then you may ask the PAW Manager for a Wildcard by posting a 'WC request' on that particular PAW tournament thread.
To what signs I can define, what the inquiry takes 'WC request'?
I have understood a following post as the request about WC. But there there is no availability of symbols WС. Means, the player in addition should send a post with letters ' WC '?
I did commit to play here but seem to be missing off the commitment list. My picks:-
PAW01 Czink over Vandeweghe
PAW02 Stephens over Watson

purtov
Jul 9th, 2012, 06:19 PM
3) In rules it is written:
You must have posted a commitment before the deadline (which is normally two days before the start of main draw play or else you will have to apply for a wildcard).
The deadline is not regulated (normally two days before). Whence there was time 21:00 cet?
If two days normal timeframe, '10 hours before' simply excellent timeframe! I believe, that rules do not object to improvement of conditions for players.

Emrys
Jul 9th, 2012, 07:17 PM
2) In rules it is written:

To what signs I can define, what the inquiry takes 'WC request'?
I have understood a following post as the request about WC. But there there is no availability of symbols WС. Means, the player in addition should send a post with letters ' WC '?

sdtoot (the one you refer too, didn't asked for a WC cause he didn't need one , he committed on time, but his name wasn't on the entry list you posted, cause i forgot to 'x' his commitment in the commitments list.

Emrys
Jul 9th, 2012, 07:22 PM
3) In rules it is written:

The deadline is not regulated (normally two days before). Whence there was time 21:00 cet?
If two days normal timeframe, '10 hours before' simply excellent timeframe! I believe, that rules do not object to improvement of conditions for players.

Check page 1 of the commitments list: "
All entries will close at 09:00 pm CET on the day before the main draw of the tournament starts."

Not to mention the thread is already at least 15 days (in this case 23 days) open before the first tournament of the new month starts. So time enough for everyone.

As a tournament manager you can't decide for yourself what the deadline is, we (tournament managers) have to follow the rules aswell.
It's not a Exho event.

The rules are perfect for the players, but some players just seem to forget every
month that they have to commit, or think 'i still have time, i do it another time' wich results in being late and making up excuses.

The deadline from 9pm the day before the tournament starts, is been here for years now , and if its up to me or others (except a handful people) it will stay here for many years.

purtov
Jul 10th, 2012, 01:39 AM
Check page 1 of the commitments list: "
All entries will close at 09:00 pm CET on the day before the main draw of the tournament starts."
Rules of this thread do not refer on 'the commitments list', which is updated every month. Next month there can be 10pm or something another.

'The commitments list' there is an auxiliary service for the manager, that it could for two days prior to the beginning (or less) to have the ordered list. Insisting on firmness '9pm', you create additional difficulties for the manager instead of the help.
But when '9pm' it will be brought in rules, I will need to agree only.

Emrys
Jul 10th, 2012, 02:30 PM
Rules of this thread do not refer on 'the commitments list', which is updated every month. Next month there can be 10pm or something another.

'The commitments list' there is an auxiliary service for the manager, that it could for two days prior to the beginning (or less) to have the ordered list. Insisting on firmness '9pm', you create additional difficulties for the manager instead of the help.
But when '9pm' it will be brought in rules, I will need to agree only.

The rules in the commitments thread about 9 pm are for all tournaments !
And it's not something that can be changed by the manager.
I didn't create anything , this rule is been here before i was a member and i keep following that rule.


18. Commitments:

All players that have committed to a PAW tournament before the deadline may enter, those players that haven't committed may apply for a Wildcard (See below).

The deadline is in the commitments thread.

I advise you to follow it, or actions will be taken against you.

Im in control of the Wildcard list and all the names i mentioned before (5!) will be added in that list.
Also the players that aren't allowed in the ranking will be removed. (charmedrik plays in Palermo, so not in Stanford) and Digor can't play in Stanford, since all 5 WC's are given away.

sdtoot
Jul 10th, 2012, 09:42 PM
I will organise with DoctorG to get post #1 of this rules thread updated to state that the deadline for commitments to a PAW tournament is always 9pm CET on the evening before the start of the Main Draw matches (normally Sunday evening). This rule has been implemented on WTA PAW for the past four or five years and it is in place to allow the PAW manager to organise his/her spreadsheet and have some time to copy picks into the spreadsheet before the start of matches the following day.

With regard to the allocation of the five Wildcards, the rule is simple. The manager must allocate the Wildcards in the order in which they were requested on the PAW tournament thread - therefore, the first five players to request WC's shall receive them, providing that they are still eligible to receive a Wildcard in this calendar year.

sdtoot
Jul 11th, 2012, 10:02 AM
Sections 17, 18 and 19 of post #1 on this thread have now been updated to clarify the PAW Commitment and Wildcard rules. Big thanks to DoctorG for help with the update. :worship:

purtov
Jul 11th, 2012, 10:11 AM
All right. But why CET? 25 hours prior to the beginning in Stanford and 4 hours prior to the beginning Auckland. Then 21:00 local time.

purtov
Jul 11th, 2012, 10:16 AM
I have seen, that updating is already made. All right, let will be CET.

sdtoot
Jul 11th, 2012, 10:39 AM
purtov,

MTF uses midnight local time as the deadline and I can tell you it is a nightmare for the person running the commitments thread (yes I run it) because the weekly tournaments usually run on vastly different time zones and the person running the commitment thread virtually has to be at their pc 24/7 announcing on the thread when commitments for a particular tournament are closed. If an announcement isn't made on the thread that a particular tournament is closed to commitments, then players will still commit to play there because they can't be bothered to check if it is past midnight local time. I live in the UK and often have to carry out an update to the MTF PAW Commitments thread early on Monday morning because of the commitment deadlines for US tournaments - it is not something that I particularly enjoy having to do when I get into work on Monday morning!

By having one commitment deadline of 9pm CET (as we have had on WTA for the past 5 years) then all players get used to this deadline time and there is no confusion whatsoever. For the past 5 years, players from Europe have run the PAW Commitments thread, so 9pm is a convenient time on Saturday or Sunday evening for them to update the thread and therefore the PAW Managers have a definative list of registered players at the same time every week.

Hopefully this answers your question.

purtov
Jul 11th, 2012, 11:21 AM
Shaun,
I understand your difficulties, but there is an excellent way to do your work and on it to sleep easy!

For example in Miami midnight, when in London 6:00am. You publish the PAW-list in 10:00pm in the end of a thread, and the prevention, that before closing the list there were 8 hours. On it your mission is finished, the manager will add those who will in addition place an order. You can make final edition of the list even in the next evening.

Your predecessor kingroger did not publish the table, probably had difficulties with its creation. When I was the manager, I repeated its work, scanned posts with commits to have the preliminary list, it was simple. It is especially simple to add 5-10 additional commits, I think, managers me will support all.

bgbgbg
Jul 12th, 2012, 10:09 PM
I can not understand why should we have the commitment deadline that close to the start of the tournament.
I would even suggest that the deadline is two or three days or even a week earlier.
If it is 2 hours before the start of the tournament or with the start of the first match, why do we actually need it??

purtov
Jul 13th, 2012, 07:06 AM
I can not understand why should we have the commitment deadline that close to the start of the tournament.
I would even suggest that the deadline is two or three days or even a week earlier.
If it is 2 hours before the start of the tournament or with the start of the first match, why do we actually need it??
IMHO
The deadline is necessary to the manager to have the list in alphabetic order before the beginning of copying of posts. The players who have asked WC, appear in the end of the list and break the alphabetic order. If a deadline two weeks always will be 5 WC. This extra inconvenience.
Creation macros for reception of the alphabetic order is possible. Then the deadline (and commitment!) is completely not necessary. But the table becomes more complex.

bgbgbg
Jul 13th, 2012, 09:20 PM
IMHO
The deadline is necessary to the manager to have the list in alphabetic order before the beginning of copying of posts. The players who have asked WC, appear in the end of the list and break the alphabetic order. If a deadline two weeks always will be 5 WC. This extra inconvenience.
Creation macros for reception of the alphabetic order is possible. Then the deadline (and commitment!) is completely not necessary. But the table becomes more complex.

purtov, I am aware of what the manager has to do. Although I am very busy in the last years and just play, I have also managed a few tournaments in the past... However I would say PAW is a game that should be enjoyed by the players, not by the managers; respectively the rules should make it more enjoyable for the players and not easier for the managers. PAW is a game very close to the real WTA tour and this is the reason for having the commitments! Otherwise we can just sign in the tournaments' threads with the message "in", as in other games here.

sdtoot
Jul 13th, 2012, 10:30 PM
Firstly, may I say that the only game on the forum which is truely close to the real WTA Tour is Tennis Tipping which uses player rankings and real commitments to determine which players can play in certain tournaments.

Saying that PAW is a game which should be enjoyed by the players, not the managers is a rather sensitive issue. As we all know, PAW has struggled over the years to attract enough managers to run the games - only this week, purtov had to step in at the last hour to run PAW Stanford and he/she has very kindly volunteered to run a lot of PAW tournaments this year due to lack of managers. Therefore, I strongly feel that the PAW rules should be geared towards making the PAW Management task as easily as possible in order that we can encourage more new managers into the game.

With regards to the existing 9pm CET commitment deadline for PAW tournaments, I don't ever remember this being a major issue with both managers and players over the past 4 or 5 years. I agree with purtov that the manager does need some time before the start of main draw matches to be able to organise their spreadsheet with names of committed players in alphabetical order, so that they are able to copy picks into the spreadsheet. Having a deadline days before the start of the tournament will just increase the demand for wildcards and having the deadline very close to the start of the tournament just creates unnecessary problems for the manager.

It all comes down to finding a commitment deadline time which benefits both the players and managers. I strongly believe that the existing 9pm CET deadline is a good compromise which has worked well for many years and the players have learned to live with this deadline. Why change something that is not broken?

purtov
Jul 14th, 2012, 07:52 AM
I strongly believe that the existing 9pm CET deadline is a good compromise which has worked well for many years and the players have learned to live with this deadline.
I agree on 100 %!

Unfortunately, I did not know about long-term tradition, and did not guess, that any significance is attached to it.
I did not gather to change anything at all. Only the single variation facilitating a life to me and several late...

Now item 18 is changed, and I hope, that no discussions in the future on subject matter of a deadline will exist.

Shaun, small question: whether there is a main arbitrator or organizing committee?
If yes, who personally?

purtov
Jul 14th, 2012, 08:23 AM
purtov, I am aware of what the manager has to do. Although I am very busy in the last years and just play, I have also managed a few tournaments in the past... However I would say PAW is a game that should be enjoyed by the players, not by the managers; respectively the rules should make it more enjoyable for the players and not easier for the managers. PAW is a game very close to the real WTA tour and this is the reason for having the commitments! Otherwise we can just sign in the tournaments' threads with the message "in", as in other games here.
Nevertheless there are tournaments in which in general there is no registration, even messages 'in'. Registration considers PAW01.
PAW it is pleasant for players? PAW tries to reduce number of players. Some people addressed to me with a question about PAW. When they learned, that two months it is necessary to be engaged in a spam or flud, their interest vanished...

Tuckii
Jan 4th, 2013, 04:12 PM
PAW10: Hampton over Radwanska
PAW11: Wickmayer over Barthel
PAW12: Barthel over Wickmayer

Is this way of picking valid?

rrfnpump
Jan 5th, 2013, 01:33 PM
no.

purtov
Jan 5th, 2013, 11:43 PM
PAW10: Hampton over Radwanska
PAW11: Wickmayer over Barthel
PAW12: Barthel over Wickmayer

Is this way of picking valid?
PAW10: Hampton over Radwanska
If the manager uses Evita's Templates, it deletes a symbol ":".
PAW10: Hampton over A.Radwanska
Here the manager deletes ":" and "A.".
For simplification of work of the manager write so:
PAW10 Hampton over Radwanska
Two picks on one match (PAW11 and PAW12) are invalid.

sdtoot
Jan 6th, 2013, 12:18 AM
From the PAW Rules in post #1 of this thread:-

> You cannot post two PAW picks for the same match. i.e. PAW10 Safina over Kuznetsova, PAW11 Kuznetsova over Safina. In this case, both picks will be declared invalid and may be replaced.

jrm
Jun 9th, 2014, 11:49 AM
something that i came up a few times in tournaments, players posting PAWs when they weren't committed or haven't asked for WC, you cannot expect that the picks count if you ask for WC several hours later or even one day later, first commit or ask for WC, then start pick, different order and the picks won't count!

bgbgbg
Jun 11th, 2014, 08:47 PM
something that i came up a few times in tournaments, players posting PAWs when they weren't committed or haven't asked for WC, you cannot expect that the picks count if you ask for WC several hours later or even one day later, first commit or ask for WC, then start pick, different order and the picks won't count!
Hi jrm,
There is actually a new rule from this year, stating that you are not obliged to ask for a WC.
You can see the last sentence in the first post here:
If a player posts PAW picks without a commitment or a WC request, then the PAW Manager shall automatically allocate a Wildcard to any ‘non-committed’ player who post picks onto the tournament thread. (providing that a player is eligible to receive a Wildcard).
Thanks a lot for helping us with managing Birmingham
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