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Trish101
Nov 21st, 2003, 11:26 PM
INCLUDE In your Grades - Groundstrokes, Serve, Movement, Power, Grand Slam wins, Total Career Achievements, Fame, Money and Popularity.

GRADES:

A:Very Good. Superb. Almost close to perfection.

B:Very Good, Excellent.

C+:Good.

C: Ok, room for improvement though.

I: Needs improvement, not satisfactory.


*****Please Strat Grading! :p

Trish101
Nov 21st, 2003, 11:27 PM
and give a reason why you choose that grade for either Clijsters OR Capriati!

PointBlank
Nov 21st, 2003, 11:31 PM
Cappy:
Groundstrokes - B
Serve - C+
Movement - B
Power - A
Grand Slam wins - B
Total Career Achievements - A
Fame -A
Money -A :eek:
Popularity - A

Kimmie:
Groundstrokes - B
Serve - B
Movement - B
Power - A
Grand Slam wins - C+
Total Career Achievements - B
Fame -A
Money -A
Popularity - A

PointBlank
Nov 21st, 2003, 11:31 PM
sorry no describtions! I will do later!

mboyle
Nov 21st, 2003, 11:35 PM
CAPRIATI

Groundstrokes-
Forehand-A+ One of the best in the game ever
Backhand-A- Equally solid, perhaps not as explosive, perhaps a bit too conservative at times

Serve-B- Although I see tremendous improvement in this region, Jennifer still has a tendency to lose her serve when she gets tight, and it throws the rest of her game into shambles.

Movement-A This is another strong point in Jennifer's game. She has perfect balance, is very fast both laterally and vertically on the court, and controls her shots on the run very nicely.

Power-A Right up there with the best in the game, though she must fight her instincts to go for it more in tight situations.

Career Acheivements-B+ this should have been better. With her talent, there is no excuse for not having won at least 4 or 5 slams and 25/30 titles. Her entire lapse from 1992 to 1999 hurt her badly, and even today, she screws up big time in big matches.

Money-A+ Millions in prizemoney, millions more in endorsements. Hell, this kid has been set since 14.

Fame/Popularity--A- She is the comeback kid, and is totally lovable, but she turns off a lot of people with her on court dramatics.

mboyle
Nov 21st, 2003, 11:43 PM
Kim

Forehand--B Powerful, but not consistent at all. Too much topspin for my liking.

Backhand--B+ not as powerful as FH, but extremely consistent. Angles excellent, but shot overall is too conservative. This will beat the nobodies of tennis, but it doesn't get it done against the big girls.

Serve--A- Again, consistent, tidy, effective, but not world class. Needs to vary spins more, improve power, though placement is near perfect.

Movement--A+ in my opinion, the best in the game. Balance, speed in all directions, and controll on the run are excellent. Sliding is special and unique. Perfect in this area.

Power--B+ It is definately there, but she rarely uses it. In matches, she barely, if at all, ranks among tennis' top 10 in terms of power. She gets far too conservative, and fails miserably at mental toughness.

Career--B+ Chokes at big moments, but in such a short time, has amassed a considerable number of titles, and has done farily well in majors. Needs more time.....

Money--A+ Everyone who reaches this level is set for life.

Fame/Popularity--C Doesn't market herself well enough, is virtually unknown in US even after doing well on US circuit. needs desperate improvement.

Trish101
Nov 21st, 2003, 11:50 PM
thank you , i agree with most of you

PointBlank
Nov 22nd, 2003, 12:00 AM
Whats that supposed to mean :confused: Only 2 pep. have posted

Trish101
Nov 22nd, 2003, 12:04 AM
^^ but i agree with you both!hehehe

SJW
Nov 22nd, 2003, 12:15 AM
Kim
Groundstrokes A-
Serve B
Movement A+
Power A
Grand Slam wins B
Total Career Achievements A-
Fame B
Money i don't know how much ANY player has earned all together :confused: but i heard the W/S were worth Ģ200 mill....or was it $200 mill
Popularity A

Jen
Groundstrokes B+
Serve B
Movement A
Power A-
Grand Slam wins A
Total Career Achievements A-
Fame B+ (she'll always be known for THAT period of her life)
Money N/A
Popularity B

VS Fan
Nov 22nd, 2003, 12:21 AM
Well I will not grade Kim and Jennifer on a point by point basis.

I will just state an opinion.

Jennifer is the better player if she could just get her head on straight. She is aggressive most of the time and has great shots. Her serve is weak, but so is Kim's

Kim is more of a defensive player when she battles the big guns... Serena, Venus, Justine, Jennifer etc. She can win if THEY screw up. She does not take the game to them.

Jen is usually aggressive from the start, but then starts playing "safe" when she gets a lead. This doesn't work vs Serena. Note that Jen has won the first set vs Serena MANY times in the last two years, only to lose the second and third sets.
Jen needs to learn to KEEP playing aggressive to stop losing those three setters.

Jen vs Venus.. they havent played very much, but notice that ever since Jen snatched defeat from the jaws of victory in Miami in 2001, Venus has been in her head, and she just doesn't play well when they meet.

Jen gives Serena fits EVERY time they play, while Venus has coasted to victory. Yet Serena has won vs Venus the last SIX times!!

Back to Kim: Her wins vs the other top four or five players depend on that player playing a bad game.
This is why she has no slams. She is talanted enough to change this picture, but I don't see it happening in 2004. Maybe 2005!

Trish101
Nov 22nd, 2003, 12:55 AM
Ton say that Kim is more popular than Capriati...well i dunno. Maybe in Belgium, but i have my doubts Capriati would lose in a catagory like that.

SJW, jen has won 3 slams, Kim has won NON so to give her an A is really rather stupid. Finals dont count as grand slam titles sweety!

Trish101
Nov 22nd, 2003, 12:56 AM
whatever give her an A+ for all i care, your opinion means little in real life.

mimbari24
Nov 22nd, 2003, 01:02 AM
Kim
Groundstrokes A
Serve B+
Movement A+
Power A
Grand Slam wins C-
Total Career Achievements A- (THUS FAR)
Fame N/A
Money A+ (MADE MORE THAN ANY OTHER PLAYER IN A YEAR- $4MIL +)
Popularity N/A

Jen
Groundstrokes A-
Serve B to B+
Movement B+ (slowin' down)
Power A
Grand Slam wins A-
Total Career Achievements A
Fame A
Money A+
Popularity A

disposablehero
Nov 22nd, 2003, 01:09 AM
Hmmm, 91-13 or 42-18?
Oh wait, I'm sorry, what was the question?

bandabou
Nov 22nd, 2003, 01:13 AM
Well I will not grade Kim and Jennifer on a point by point basis.

I will just state an opinion.

Jennifer is the better player if she could just get her head on straight. She is aggressive most of the time and has great shots. Her serve is weak, but so is Kim's

Kim is more of a defensive player when she battles the big guns... Serena, Venus, Justine, Jennifer etc. She can win if THEY screw up. She does not take the game to them.

Jen is usually aggressive from the start, but then starts playing "safe" when she gets a lead. This doesn't work vs Serena. Note that Jen has won the first set vs Serena MANY times in the last two years, only to lose the second and third sets.
Jen needs to learn to KEEP playing aggressive to stop losing those three setters.

Jen vs Venus.. they havent played very much, but notice that ever since Jen snatched defeat from the jaws of victory in Miami in 2001, Venus has been in her head, and she just doesn't play well when they meet.

Jen gives Serena fits EVERY time they play, while Venus has coasted to victory. Yet Serena has won vs Venus the last SIX times!!

Back to Kim: Her wins vs the other top four or five players depend on that player playing a bad game.
This is why she has no slams. She is talanted enough to change this picture, but I don't see it happening in 2004. Maybe 2005!

I can partially agree with this statement. Kim is indeed more defensive against the top players, but so is Jen. Your statement about Jen starting agressive against Serena isnīt particularly true. Itīs just Serena not willing to go the rally and Jen forcing to hit one more shot everytime. But once Serena adjusts to all the balls coming back, Jen canīt hurt Serena anymore.

But Jenīs slipping right now. I think her movement isnīt what it used to be and Iīve seen Kim really overpower her sometimes.

Ryan
Nov 22nd, 2003, 01:52 AM
Capriati:

Groundstrokes- A
Serve- B
Movement- A
Power- B
Grand Slam wins- B
Total Career Achievements- A
Fame- B
Money- B
Popularity- B

Clijsters:

Groundstrokes- A
Serve- B
Movement- A
Power- C
Grand Slam wins- C
Total Career Achievements- B
Fame- B
Money- C
Popularity- B


Pretty even I think.

Trish101
Nov 22nd, 2003, 02:03 AM
Jen has 55+ million in money by the way...so that should help clarify some areas about the money issue. Kim has about 20 million id guess.

Dawn Marie
Nov 22nd, 2003, 02:05 AM
Kim is slamless and Jen has never beaten Venus.. so they both


SUCK!!!;)

Dawn Marie
Nov 22nd, 2003, 02:09 AM
Damn I forgot to grade them both.

THEY GET AND "I"( for INCOMPLETE.)

Ryan
Nov 22nd, 2003, 02:15 AM
Jen has 55+ million in money by the way...so that should help clarify some areas about the money issue. Kim has about 20 million id guess.



Well its nice to know that after we grade her, guess your not happy with Jenn's B's? :sad:

Trish101
Nov 22nd, 2003, 02:22 AM
no, its your opinion, but id think 55 million would get at least an A+...jeez how rich are you?

Dawny, shove a cactus down your throat hole sweety ;)

Ryan
Nov 22nd, 2003, 02:28 AM
no, its your opinion, but id think 55 million would get at least an A+...jeez how rich are you?

Dawny, shove a cactus down your throat hole sweety ;)


Well of course 55+ is damn rich, and deserves an A++++++, but how were we supposed to know she had that much?

disposablehero
Nov 22nd, 2003, 02:34 AM
There is a "money" category? That's pretty pathetic, and I personally couldn't care about someone's endorsement profile. If you want to talk about PRIZE money, earned playing tennis, Kim made about half as much last year as Jen has in her entire 14 year career. Makes sense given that she won more than half as many titles as Jen has in her entire 14 year career. And I think some of the "net worth" numbers are what someone would like to think as opposed to anything they have actually read.

Hawk
Nov 22nd, 2003, 02:47 AM
Jen has 55+ million in money by the way...so that should help clarify some areas about the money issue. Kim has about 20 million id guess.

How did you get those numbers? :confused: Cause that's gotta include sponsorship deals, prize money..other stuff as well I assume.

The WTA site doesn't have the stats up for 2003 yet..but at the end of 2002 career prize money for Jen was just under 7 million..and for Kim around 3.65 million. Obviously for Kim tack on 4 million for 2003..and ESPN has Jen's 2003 earnings at 1.2 million.

So approx. 8.2 million for Jen career and 7.65 million for Kim career.

I'd say both ladies are doing quite well for themselves lol :p

Trish101
Nov 22nd, 2003, 02:51 AM
its called FORBE baby and Jens on the forbes list...not on the big one, but shes on the list nevertheless, in 1992 Jennifer was on the list, she had more dollar sings popping out of her ears when the William sisters were pinching there pennies.

Jens Net worth is approx. 57.8 million. plus shes insured for a couple million.

Jen also has clauses on her endorsement deals and has bonuses if she wins tournies /slams, which go into the millions...add the fact she has 9.4 million in TENNIS earnings, Jens in the money.

Now i have no clue how much money Kim has, but im willing to bet shes got nowhere near the bling bling of Jennifers.

the only people who can probably say they have more money than Jen are the Williams, Anna and Martina Hingis.

SpikeyAidanm
Nov 22nd, 2003, 02:55 AM
Clijsters:

Groundstrokes - A-
Serve - A-
Movement - A+
Power - B+
Grand Slam wins - B+
Total Career Achievements - B
Fame - C+
Money - C+
Popularity - B+

Capriati:

Groundstrokes - B+
Serve - B+
Movement - B
Power - A
Grand Slam wins - A-
Total Career Achievements - B+
Fame - A-
Money - B+
Popularity - A

Trish101
Nov 22nd, 2003, 02:55 AM
ummm sorrry, from what ive heared Anna isnt that rich (shes even admitted it) so the willies and Martina....

1. Williams Sisters-Combined, Close to 100 million (by themselves 55-60 million each)

2. Martina Hingis-60+ million id imagine

3. JENNIFER CAPRIATI- 57.8 million





4. Monica Seles-Anna Pornikova- Lindsay Davenport

bandabou
Nov 22nd, 2003, 02:59 AM
Man, la Williams sure do have plenty of MONEDA!

Trish101
Nov 22nd, 2003, 03:06 AM
they do, but there also one of a kind...two black sisters from the ghetto, boo hoo cinderella story, 'they made it!'

its a soppy story, but it made them millions!

Hawk
Nov 22nd, 2003, 03:09 AM
btw what is with these threads comparing X player to Kim :confused:

bandabou
Nov 22nd, 2003, 03:11 AM
I like that better than the"Troubled-Teenager and shoplifter"-stuff.

Trish101
Nov 22nd, 2003, 03:20 AM
hey at least she wasnt associated with thugs from compton who sold crac for 2 bucks a pop. ;)

disposablehero
Nov 22nd, 2003, 03:34 AM
hey at least she wasnt associated with thugs from compton who sold crac for 2 bucks a pop. ;)

Are you certain?

bandabou
Nov 22nd, 2003, 03:39 AM
Are you certain?

:lol: ;) Youīre BAD! But youīre right.....is it me or had someone problem with marihuana and stuff?!

Mark43
Nov 22nd, 2003, 04:44 AM
Okay, where are you guys getting this 57.8 million figure? it is a pretty definitive number, doncha think?

Also, what is up with the career grand slam ranking by a few of you? Jen has 3 slams. Kim has zilch.

Once again that is 3 to Nothing.....Hello!
Not even close.

Trish101
Nov 22nd, 2003, 05:44 AM
57.8 million comes from forbes magazine. buy a copy.

Mark43
Nov 22nd, 2003, 06:29 AM
Uh, yeah, it is still a very rough estimate, thank you very much, and I will pass on buying a copy as I am sure you bought them out already.

Loving the .8 part........HELLO!

faboozadoo15
Nov 22nd, 2003, 06:40 AM
what matters how much money she has-- how does that affect tennis comparisons based on letter grades? and i know for certain that monica has more lindsay, and i think lindsay as well. when monica came back, she had the biggest endorsement for a female athlete ever with nike(which was barely topped by hingis and then toppled by venus). plus, she has much more prize money, and u HAVE to add the amount of BIG paying exhibitions monica plays in.

xr6turbo
Nov 22nd, 2003, 06:45 AM
hey at least she wasnt associated with thugs from compton who sold crac for 2 bucks a pop. ;)

U sure that Jen wasn't one of those thugs?? :tape:

Knizzle
Nov 22nd, 2003, 06:51 AM
U sure that Jen wasn't one of those thugs?? :tape:LOL!!!!

You just made me scare the baby by bursting out in laughter!!


:haha:

xr6turbo
Nov 22nd, 2003, 07:04 AM
LOL!!!!

You just made me scare the baby by bursting out in laughter!!


:haha:

:lol: Sorry!! I hope the baby is alright!!

Trish101
Nov 22nd, 2003, 08:17 AM
A rough estimate yes, but forbes does there homework. They ask all the good questions and they get answers(thats there job)....if they say 57.8 million, then jen probably has that much money...maybe not exactly 57 million...it may be more, or less.

Hehehe true, jen could pull of a latino gangster look, shes pretty tough, but honestly guys, smoking a joint (which is practically legal in Canada) and sniffing a deadly drug like Crack cocain...big diff. Jen smocked a lil pot, nothing major about that...most people do.

SJW
Nov 22nd, 2003, 12:06 PM
whatever give her an A+ for all i care, your opinion means little in real life.

is that why you gave me a negative rep, calling me a cheap slut?

get a life honey

Daniel
Nov 22nd, 2003, 12:19 PM
Kim :yeah:

Hagar
Nov 22nd, 2003, 01:20 PM
Ton say that Kim is more popular than Capriati...well i dunno. Maybe in Belgium, but i have my doubts Capriati would lose in a catagory like that.

SJW, jen has won 3 slams, Kim has won NON so to give her an A is really rather stupid. Finals dont count as grand slam titles sweety!

Yes, Jen has 3 Slams under her belt, but Jen is also 7 years older than Kim. Let's check in 5 years who has won more Slams. Not sure la Cap will come out on top.

SJW
Nov 22nd, 2003, 01:35 PM
Yes, Jen has 3 Slams under her belt, but Jen is also 7 years older than Kim. Let's check in 5 years who has won more Slams. Not sure la Cap will come out on top.

i think you're right

disposablehero
Nov 22nd, 2003, 01:39 PM
, smoking a joint (which is practically legal in Canada) and sniffing a deadly drug like Crack cocain...big diff.

I agree. Sniffing crack cocaine is bad for you.

mboyle
Nov 22nd, 2003, 02:02 PM
Damn I forgot to grade them both.

THEY GET AND "I"( for INCOMPLETE.)

Dawn Marie:

Life: F for Faliure:rolleyes:

Knizzle
Nov 22nd, 2003, 04:49 PM
A rough estimate yes, but forbes does there homework. They ask all the good questions and they get answers(thats there job)....if they say 57.8 million, then jen probably has that much money...maybe not exactly 57 million...it may be more, or less.

Hehehe true, jen could pull of a latino gangster look, shes pretty tough, but honestly guys, smoking a joint (which is practically legal in Canada) and sniffing a deadly drug like Crack cocain...big diff. Jen smocked a lil pot, nothing major about that...most people do.

Bullshit, there is no way Jenn has 57.8 million dollars unless Stephano is involved with the mob or something breaking thumbs and shit. ;)