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LindsayRulez
Nov 5th, 2003, 10:34 PM
Did you see them?!

Group 1: Roddick, Coria, Schuettler, Moya
Group 2: Agassi, Federer, Ferrero, Nalbandian

Hmm....which one looks MUCH harder to you?

jimbo mack
Nov 5th, 2003, 10:36 PM
erm.....this is a WTA forum.... please go to the ATP forum....on ur way now.....

Andrew.
Nov 5th, 2003, 10:36 PM
Let's just give Roddick a spot in the final...:rolleyes:

LindsayRulez
Nov 5th, 2003, 10:44 PM
Sorry, James, I usually put a warning of "ATP, I know..." but this just seemed like something that I thought people would want to know. They're always talking about Roddick around here, so what's so different now? Ummm...so yeah, I'm not on my out, thank you very much.

jimbo mack
Nov 5th, 2003, 10:48 PM
Sorry, James, I usually put a warning of "ATP, I know..." but this just seemed like something that I thought people would want to know. They're always talking about Roddick around here, so what's so different now? Ummm...so yeah, I'm not on my out, thank you very much.

apology accepted seeing u r a fellow davenport fan :)

CapFan#1
Nov 5th, 2003, 10:52 PM
Poor Agassi....after being off for so long to get that round robin group..... that just sucks... and AROD gets the cake walk ......

LindsayRulez
Nov 5th, 2003, 10:52 PM
Aww I didn't notice you were a fellow Lindsay fan, and I gave you bad rep points...I'll have to make that up with some good ones. I'm sorry!

kyk710
Nov 5th, 2003, 10:52 PM
wow. the four toughest players imo in the same group lol

AjdeNate!
Nov 5th, 2003, 10:58 PM
ATP:
1 4 6 7
2 3 5 8

WTA:
1 4 6 7
2 3 5 8

Hmmmmmmm, yes I see that the ATP was *most* unfair in their seedings.

V&SGotItGoingOn
Nov 5th, 2003, 11:08 PM
Andy definitely got the easier group, I feel bad for Agassi, Federer, and Ferrero all getting stuck together. Oh well, it will make for some interesting matches!

kyk710
Nov 5th, 2003, 11:14 PM
I didn't say it was unfair... it's just funny that THREE SLAM WINNERS FROM THIS YEAR are in the same group

skanky~skanketta
Nov 5th, 2003, 11:15 PM
OH DAMMMMMMIT!ANDRE:sad:

what a tough ass draw.

bood news, hewitt is sooooo out. 750 points to defend!HEHEHEHE!

how come he didnt play after the USO?injured?

7~LV3
Nov 5th, 2003, 11:15 PM
lol for puttin 3 of the slam winners in the same group with Nalbandian. I think that group 2 would have lots of closer matches, hopefully Moya can get a win in group 1, havent heard from him in a while..

skanky~skanketta
Nov 5th, 2003, 11:16 PM
Nalby would be delighted to have federer in his group. hope he can make it 6-0!GO NALBY AND ANDRE!!!!

AjdeNate!
Nov 5th, 2003, 11:19 PM
I didn't say it was unfair... it's just funny that THREE SLAM WINNERS FROM THIS YEAR are in the same group
I agree... I've just read (other places) how unfair the ATP was and thought I'd nip it here. ;)

ns_Henin
Nov 6th, 2003, 12:08 AM
OMG the 2nd group is very very tough :eek:
I think they should switch Schuettler-Federer :mad:
Very unfair :rolleyes:

kyk710
Nov 6th, 2003, 12:09 AM
I agree... I've just read (other places) how unfair the ATP was and thought I'd nip it here. ;)
lol no prob :wavey: After all, i can't be mad at my Supreme Tennis Channel business partner ;)

wongqks
Nov 6th, 2003, 12:11 AM
how f**k up this round robin group is :rolleyes: Roddick is in final and will be no. 1 :rolleyes:

azza
Nov 6th, 2003, 01:23 AM
OH DAMMMMMMIT!ANDRE:sad:

what a tough ass draw.

bood news, hewitt is sooooo out. 750 points to defend!HEHEHEHE!

how come he didnt play after the USO?injured?

he sayed that his only concentraing for the davis cup final :wavey:

switz
Nov 6th, 2003, 01:40 AM
roddick is no certainty IMO. definitely the easier group, but i don't think he is playing very well at the moment and players like coria and moya are always dnagerous. rainer smashed roddick at the AO, and although i realise roddick has stepped it up a few gears since then, i think that if he doesn't bring the A game out from the start then he could be in some trouble. the serve will probably see him through.

who cares about the other being strong. i think it's because i'll get to see a lot of great match ups from the start of the tournament. i just hope the roger can break his nalbandian hoo-doo and make it through. i want ferrero to get through to so there is 3 way race for number one at the end, although i guess roger will be out of contention if both ferrero and andy reach the semis

viele
Nov 6th, 2003, 01:47 AM
Is anyone seriously insinuating that the draw was rigged in Roddick's favor? I mean sure he got the much easier draw but isn't the draw ceremony held in front of tons of people? It would be quite difficult to rigg IMO.

Crazy Canuck
Nov 6th, 2003, 01:48 AM
Let's just give Roddick a spot in the final...:rolleyes:
A spot in the semis, you mean, since either of the 4 in the other group have a great shot at beating him there.

Hurley
Nov 6th, 2003, 02:13 AM
A spot in the semis, you mean, since either of the 4 in the other group have a great shot at beating him there.

Beat me to it.

Roddick's SF opponent will be MUCH more difficult than Ferrero's (assuming they both make it that far) so in reality this draw helps Juan's chances for #1.

bandabou
Nov 6th, 2003, 02:38 AM
The draw isnt rigged perc....but the easiness of Andys draw is stunning....he gets only one finalist and Ferrero gets the two other slam winners this year?! Hmmm.....

TennisHack
Nov 6th, 2003, 03:15 AM
Beat me to it.

Roddick's SF opponent will be MUCH more difficult than Ferrero's (assuming they both make it that far) so in reality this draw helps Juan's chances for #1.

Only if Ferrero can even get to the semi's, which is no certainty.

And, of course, one has to question the logic of holding the Cup outdoors for the first time in . . . literally, forever.

TennisHack
Nov 6th, 2003, 03:23 AM
It's outdoor???? Ok now this is ridiculous, I didn't know that.

:scratch: Are you kidding me?

bandabou
Nov 6th, 2003, 03:25 AM
Outdoors hardcourts....and they put Coria, Moya with Roddick?! If it was clay, then Id say: hmm, thats though. But on outdoors hardcourts?! Thats a Kimmie-draw.

TennisHack
Nov 6th, 2003, 03:45 AM
You mean?

Considering there is a long indoor season it makes no sense to have a masters indoor. That's what I find ridiculous.

:confused: Why switch surfaces at the end of the year, though? That's what doesn't make any sense!

Hurley
Nov 6th, 2003, 03:46 AM
Only if Ferrero can even get to the semi's, which is no certainty.

And, of course, one has to question the logic of holding the Cup outdoors for the first time in . . . literally, forever.

Yes, I did say "assuming that they get there." Hell, the way things go, they could both not make it...or they could play each other in the SF.

And, yes, it's ludicrous that it's outdoors, but just because it's at the end of the indoor season doesn't mean it must be indoors. I think tennis indoors is retarded in general. Having said that, I understand everyone's point.

TheBoiledEgg
Nov 6th, 2003, 03:49 AM
:confused: Why switch surfaces at the end of the year, though? That's what doesn't make any sense!


Simple:
Roddick and Agassi are hopeless indoors

TennisHack
Nov 6th, 2003, 03:49 AM
And, yes, it's ludicrous that it's outdoors, but just because it's at the end of the indoor season doesn't mean it must be indoors. I think tennis indoors is retarded in general. Having said that, I understand everyone's point.

Then what's the point of having "seasons" if the big tournaments are going to be on radically different courts than what you've been playing on for the past two months.

Just out of curiosity, why do you think indoor tennis is retarded? You don't have to answer me here (counting the seconds til this thread is locked with the chiding message, "take it to MTF"! ;) :rolleyes: ).

TennisHack
Nov 6th, 2003, 03:50 AM
Simple:
Roddick and Agassi are hopeless indoors

Well, duh, I know why they did it ;)

Obviously the USTA feels that the general tennis public is too stupid to grasp such a fine point, and they have enough pull over the ATP to change history and tradition.

I, for one, would not put it past them :)

Hurley
Nov 6th, 2003, 03:52 AM
Tennis should be played outside. I don't approve of everyone wanting roofs either. Just a personal pet peeve of mine. *shrug*

As for "seasons," who cares? I think the Masters should be played on a different surface every year, personally.

This shouldn't be the culmination of the indoor season, this is the Masters. You have eight guys who got there based on mastery of all surfaces, so why does it matter that the last couple tournaments happened to be indoors?

Hurley
Nov 6th, 2003, 03:53 AM
Simple:
Roddick and Agassi are hopeless indoors

NO, I had no idea :p

TennisHack
Nov 6th, 2003, 03:58 AM
Tennis should be played outside. I don't approve of everyone wanting roofs either. Just a personal pet peeve of mine. *shrug*

As for "seasons," who cares? I think the Masters should be played on a different surface every year, personally.

This shouldn't be the culmination of the indoor season, this is the Masters. You have eight guys who got there based on mastery of all surfaces, so why does it matter that the last couple tournaments happened to be indoors?

As a fan of indoor tennis, I must disagree :p I especially like carpet. Kinda hard to play on carpet outside.

The debates about roofs is more about the weather than tennis. You can't tell me the US Open has the best system for handing rain delays :rolleyes:

If the Masters is played on a different surface every year, it wouldn't be fair. There are still court-specialists in the men's game, even among the elite. You can't tell me you'd favor Roddick over Ferrero, Coria, or even Federer on a clay court. By the same token, you can't say you'd favor Schuettler or Agassi (necessarily) over Roddick or Nalbandian on carpet. It should be a neutral surface, which indoor hard usually is.

As for the 'indoor' part, personally I think it arose as a way to play tennis in different parts of the country at different times of the year.

Hurley
Nov 6th, 2003, 04:02 AM
Yeah, I know why indoor tennis is a necessity, and I know why roofs would make things nice. I still think it's stupid.

As for the shifting surfaces, if you can't win on any surface, you don't deserve to be ATP champion, simple as that. There are only three surfaces to choose from anyway, so a quality player will get a shot or two at the least to get a chance on his preferred surface. At least that way a player like Corretja or Kuerten wouldn't have to know all year long that they're going to play the Masters indoors.

Oh...wait a minute... ;)

Anne K.
Nov 6th, 2003, 04:04 AM
Simple:
Roddick and Agassi are hopeless indoors


:fiery: You're needlessly maligning Andre here, Eggy. Andre had played the YEC's many times before--always indoors, even when the event
was previously held in NYC---indoors, might I add. Nope, Roddick's
gotta take the blame for this one. First time qualified for YEC/first
time held in US since '89/first time held outdoors. Don't you know
that, to the ATP and USTA, Andy is the flavor of the month? ;)

beckermeister
Nov 6th, 2003, 04:05 AM
wow. the four toughest players imo in the same group lol

Switch Agassi with Roddick and I agree. (of course if u did that why would u even need the other 4 :)) In any event, that second group could produce some great match-ups!

TheBoiledEgg
Nov 6th, 2003, 04:07 AM
hopefully Spain gets it in 2005 and they hold TM Cup on Clay :devil:

now that would be fair ;)

TennisHack
Nov 6th, 2003, 04:10 AM
At least that way a player like Corretja or Kuerten wouldn't have to know all year long that they're going to play the Masters indoors.

Oh...wait a minute... ;)

LMAO! :lol:

hopefully Spain gets it in 2005 and they hold TM Cup on Clay :devil:

now that would be fair ;)

It will be most interesting to see what happens if Roddick doesn't win the Masters Cup this year. Will they go back to having it indoors? They do have indoor facilities there, after all :devil:

Hurley
Nov 6th, 2003, 04:16 AM
But see...that's dumb. It's BEAUTIFUL in Houston right now. It's one thing to play indoors in November in Germany...but Texas!

Go outside! Sunshine!

TennisHack
Nov 6th, 2003, 04:18 AM
Go outside! Oppressing humidity! Rain (see Thursday's forecast)! (http://www.weather.com/weather/local/USTX0617?from=search_city)