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cool bird
Oct 21st, 2003, 04:37 PM
So is kim and her little sister gonna be the next williams sisters, Getting to slams finals and becomeing the 1 and 2 in the world. As every body said about Venus and Serena early on.

I have never seen Kim little sis play so could that be a possabilty in the furture. Or is the girl just got the name but not the same taltent as kim

bandabou
Oct 21st, 2003, 04:41 PM
Hahahaa........now THAT is a good one! Elke is 18 already and has yet to win a MATCH!! on the wta-tour level. Itīs like they say:" Not Elke Clijsters is a Clijsters!"

They ainīt becoming no next-Williams.

Andrew.
Oct 21st, 2003, 04:52 PM
:lol:When Elke becomes no. 2 Kournikova will be no. 1! :lol:

E. Blackadder
Oct 21st, 2003, 04:54 PM
elke just aint got the singles game. She could become a very good doubles specialist though!

cool bird
Oct 21st, 2003, 04:57 PM
Well the girl has my repect then. Sod it milk the name all you can. And why should she do all the hard work when her sister can do it for you. And you can still get the rewards. :lol:

bandabou
Oct 21st, 2003, 05:43 PM
Well the girl has my repect then. Sod it milk the name all you can. And why should she do all the hard work when her sister can do it for you. And you can still get the rewards. :lol:

The prize money of a first round of tier IIIīs and IIīs ainīt THAT rewarding imo.

Ballbuster
Oct 21st, 2003, 05:44 PM
:haha: :haha: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Tennis_IS_Fun
Oct 21st, 2003, 05:46 PM
er.....how many sisters does Serena have again?
and how many of them are ranked?...yes, only one:rolleyes:,
so stop trashing Elke:rolleyes:

bandabou
Oct 21st, 2003, 05:50 PM
er.....how many sisters does Serena have again?
and how many of them are ranked?...yes, only one:rolleyes:,
so stop trashing Elke:rolleyes:

She isnīt just RANKED....she has been RANKED....as no.1 that is, same with Serena!! And both have done that not even the better Clijsters have done yet: win slams...and Elke?! Hmmm....

*JR*
Oct 21st, 2003, 05:51 PM
(Career) Elke CLIJSTERS (BEL)
Date of Birth : 18 Jan 1985

No of tournaments played: 5
No of matches played: 5
Period Win/Loss: 0 - 5



Antwerp BEL

WT 11 Feb 2002 - 17 Feb 2002 Carpet (I)
Entry: WC
32 L Patty SCHNYDER (SUI) 3-6 6-7(5)
Period W/L: 0 - 1


Brussels BEL

WT 08 Jul 2002 - 14 Jul 2002 Clay (O)
Entry: WC
32 L Martina MULLER (GER) 4-6 2-6
Period W/L: 0 - 2


Leipzig GER

WT 23 Sep 2002 - 29 Sep 2002 Carpet (I)
Entry: WC
32 L Anca BARNA (GER) 4-6 2-6
Period W/L: 0 - 3


Antwerp BEL

WT 10 Feb 2003 - 16 Feb 2003 Carpet (I)
Entry: WC
32 L Patty SCHNYDER (SUI) 2-6 3-6
Period W/L: 0 - 4


Leipzig GER

WT 22 Sep 2003 - 28 Sep 2003 Carpet (I)
Entry: WC
32 L Maria VENTO-KABCHI (VEN) 3-6 1-6

Period Win/Loss: 0 - 5
No of tournaments played: 5
No of matches played: 5

bandabou
Oct 21st, 2003, 05:51 PM
(Career) Elke CLIJSTERS (BEL)
Date of Birth : 18 Jan 1985

No of tournaments played: 5
No of matches played: 5
Period Win/Loss: 0 - 5

(Not counting Linz)

Antwerp BEL

WT 11 Feb 2002 - 17 Feb 2002 Carpet (I)
Entry: WC
32 L Patty SCHNYDER (SUI) 3-6 6-7(5)
Period W/L: 0 - 1


Brussels BEL

WT 08 Jul 2002 - 14 Jul 2002 Clay (O)
Entry: WC
32 L Martina MULLER (GER) 4-6 2-6
Period W/L: 0 - 2


Leipzig GER

WT 23 Sep 2002 - 29 Sep 2002 Carpet (I)
Entry: WC
32 L Anca BARNA (GER) 4-6 2-6
Period W/L: 0 - 3


Antwerp BEL

WT 10 Feb 2003 - 16 Feb 2003 Carpet (I)
Entry: WC
32 L Patty SCHNYDER (SUI) 2-6 3-6
Period W/L: 0 - 4


Leipzig GER

WT 22 Sep 2003 - 28 Sep 2003 Carpet (I)
Entry: WC
32 L Maria VENTO-KABCHI (VEN) 3-6 1-6

Period Win/Loss: 0 - 5
No of tournaments played: 5
No of matches played: 5

Dang...she isnīt even improving. Last year she put up a decent fight. This year sheīs getting bradsticked almost at will.

caafje
Oct 21st, 2003, 06:05 PM
When Kim and Elke were young, they were both considered very talented, with Elke being the most talented one. The difference between them is that Kim is really ambitious and disciplined, while Elke goes out 'till 6 in the morning.

bandabou
Oct 21st, 2003, 06:45 PM
Or it is like they said on tennis-x.com:" This apple fell a bit too far from the tree." :lol:

Knizzle
Oct 21st, 2003, 06:49 PM
Bandabou give Elke a break!! I'm not a fan of hers, but you have been really hard on her. I know you don't agree with her getting some wildcards that she gets, but it's not her fault. She can't grant herself a wildcard. Sure she hasn't showed alot of promise, but every player isn't going to be a star. Cut her some slack!! :yeah:

bandabou
Oct 21st, 2003, 06:56 PM
Bandabou give Elke a break!! I'm not a fan of hers, but you have been really hard on her. I know you don't agree with her getting some wildcards that she gets, but it's not her fault. She can't grant herself a wildcard. Sure she hasn't showed alot of promise, but every player isn't going to be a star. Cut her some slack!! :yeah:

Thatīs true too...Iīll leave her alone. I know she must feel sad herself already.

Princess Fiona
Oct 21st, 2003, 07:17 PM
Yes... I think it must be quite hard for Elke Clijsters right now!! I'm sure she couldn't be happier for her sister and her achievements :) but I remember a few years ago people were talking about Elke being the better player, another Williams sisters thing... Elke is still very young indeed and can go a long long way!! I don't think it's particularly fair that she gets wildcards into main draws of tournaments but it's not her fault. Good luck Elke... :)

bandabou
Oct 21st, 2003, 07:21 PM
Yes... I think it must be quite hard for Elke Clijsters right now!! I'm sure she couldn't be happier for her sister and her achievements :) but I remember a few years ago people were talking about Elke being the better player, another Williams sisters thing... Elke is still very young indeed and can go a long long way!! I don't think it's particularly fair that she gets wildcards into main draws of tournaments but it's not her fault. Good luck Elke... :)

And the more you see these things, the more people should embrace and understand that the williamses are unique....and that sometimes their matches can be tough mentally for them.

Betty
Oct 21st, 2003, 07:23 PM
In the Nether lands they even don't have a apple
that can fell of a tree because they even don't have a good player in the WTA there. Poor Holland.
i think it hurts.So you have the time to blame the family CLIJSTERS from all kind of things.And like i can see bandabou you live from the benefit,
you have soo many time to play on the pc.
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Ballbuster
Oct 21st, 2003, 07:26 PM
Thatīs true too...Iīll leave her alone. I know she must feel sad herself already.


Oh please, continue to ride her!

Somebody needs to let the gals know that are ranked 100-300 that they have supporters on this board who agrees with them.

Elke
Oct 21st, 2003, 07:27 PM
This thread is NOT!!!!!! about the WS, it's about Kim and Elke. Why are they brought in every single thread?:scratch:

As long as Elke does what she has to do to be happy, great for her. If it means playing tennis, fine. If that means going out till 6AM, fine too.
You 're not even talking about no 218 on the rankings, because she has no famous sister.

Life itself is already difficult enough without getting compared to your famous sister in everything you do.

bandabou
Oct 21st, 2003, 07:28 PM
In the Nether lands they even don't have a apple
that can fell of a tree because they even don't have a good player in the WTA there. Poor Holland.
i think it hurts.So you have the time to blame the family CLIJSTERS from all kind of things.And like i can see bandabou you live from the benefit,
you have soo many time to play on the pc.
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Hahahaa.....at least you got one thing right: The Netherlands donīt have a quality player( yet).

Thatīs the only thing you said that was actually true...but hey you have to start somewhere.

bandabou
Oct 21st, 2003, 07:30 PM
Oh please, continue to ride her!

Somebody needs to let the gals know that are ranked 100-300 that they have supporters on this board who agrees with them.

:rolls:

Ballbuster
Oct 21st, 2003, 07:36 PM
This thread is NOT!!!!!! about the WS, it's about Kim and Elke. Why are they brought in every single thread?:scratch:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :haha: .


Tennis is about the Williams sisters, you better recognize.

bandabou
Oct 21st, 2003, 07:38 PM
Tennis is about the Williams sisters, you better recognize.

:bowdown: :worship: :bowdown:

*JR*
Oct 22nd, 2003, 02:38 PM
I don't think it's particularly fair that she gets wildcards into main draws of tournaments but it's not her fault. I must have missed something here; what caliber gun were they holding to her head to make the Shameless One ACCEPT them?

kim4eva
Oct 22nd, 2003, 02:58 PM
god...leave Elke alone! :mad:
Dealing with these expectations from the media is already tough and we still have to compare her to Kim here? Everyone's an individual and shouldn't be compared to one another. Just because Elke has a famous sister, does it means she has to achieve exactly the same thing or better than her? Does that mean any famous player who has a sister have to achieve like the williams sisters? NO!
Bandabou, can you just accept them for being who they are and mind your own business?!?!
Stop commenting on the clijsters' life! :fiery: :fiery: :fiery:

bandabou
Oct 22nd, 2003, 03:01 PM
god...leave Elke alone! :mad:
Dealing with these expectations from the media is already tough and we still have to compare her to Kim here? Everyone's an individual and shouldn't compare to one another. Just because Elke has a famous sister, does it means she has to achieve exactly the same thing or better than her? Does that mean any famous player who has a sister have to achieve like the williams sisters? NO!
Bandabou, can you just accept them for being who they are and mind your own business!!
Stop commenting on the clijsters' life! :fiery: :fiery: :fiery:

Hey it wasnīt me who said that there was gonna be a Clijsters-domination soon, was it?!

Of course not every sister-sister is gonna be as good as the Williams. How about NONE?! Think weīre gonna see two sisters no.1 and no.2 in the world, winning GSīs, any time soon again after these two retire?!

Princess Fiona
Oct 22nd, 2003, 03:02 PM
I must have missed something here; what caliber gun were they holding to her head to make the Shameless One ACCEPT them?

I won't pretend I'm an expert with wildcards and the Clijsters sisters here (I apologise in advance... :o ) but if she is offered a wildcard, is she really very likely to turn it down? It would look bad for her career, 'bad attitude'? And she's going to want to play the bigger players in the more 'glamorous' tournaments... I don't think this is unusual for a player...

Again, I don't think it's particularly fair that she got a wildcard over other players in the recent tournaments but I also don't think it's very nice when an 18 year old girl gets bashed as is sometimes the case with Elke... Just my opinion...

*JR*
Oct 22nd, 2003, 03:35 PM
I won't pretend I'm an expert with wildcards and the Clijsters sisters here (I apologise in advance... :o ) but if she is offered a wildcard, is she really very likely to turn it down? It would look bad for her career, 'bad attitude'? And she's going to want to play the bigger players in the more 'glamorous' tournaments... I don't think this is unusual for a player...

Again, I don't think it's particularly fair that she got a wildcard over other players in the recent tournaments but I also don't think it's very nice when an 18 year old girl gets bashed as is sometimes the case with Elke... Just my opinion...
Let me answer first you: I can't speak for bandabou, but I'm only "bashing" (all 3 PLUS indeed the tournament directors) for their actions. The "very likely" question is irrelevant to the ethics. And her attitude to me would look BETTER if she declined these defacto payoffs to the family. Re. what she wants: great, earn it! To Kim4eva: Again, speaking only for myself, who said she had to rival Kim ala the W/S? :confused: She only has to reasonably "rival" other potential WC recipients. They're better @ singles, @ nearly 19 and not having been "shelved" with some long injury, she's obviously not going very far; so even if the WC's are just offered, Lei could say it's unseemly; Kim could; or Elke herself could. So you folks want a "Flemish victim"? OK, Caroline Maes deserves singles WC's more than Elke, happy now? :rolleyes:

bandabou
Oct 22nd, 2003, 03:39 PM
Let me answer first you: I can't speak for bandabou, but I'm only "bashing" (all 3 PLUS indeed the tournament directors) for their actions. The "very likely" question is irrelevant to the ethics. And her attitude to me would look BETTER if she declined these defacto payoffs to the family. Re. what she wants: great, earn it! To Kim4eva: Again, speaking only for myself, who said she had to rival Kim ala the W/S? :confused: She only has to reasonably "rival" other potential WC recipients. They're better @ singles, @ nearly 19 and not having been "shelved" with some long injury, she's obviously not going very far; so even if the WC's are just offered, Lei could say it's unseemly; Kim could; or Elke herself could. So you folks want a "Flemish victim"? OK, Caroline Maes deserves singles WC's more than Elke, happy now? :rolleyes:

Exactly......NO sister-combo will rival the Williamses any time soon( if ever), but I mean come on the girl is nearly 19!!! and she has yet to win A SINGLE MATCH at tour level!!! Thatīs TOTALLY LACK of potential and doesnīt warrant that many wild-cards when they are other players younger, with more potential.

CoryAnnAvants#1
Oct 22nd, 2003, 03:41 PM
I think I agree with rhythmboy, Elke just does not have the game for singles. So what? Neither did Rennae Stubbs and she ended up becoming one of the all time greats. Look at the mens tour, which is LOADED with doubles specialist who are ranked top 10 in doubs but couldn't crack top 500 on the tour if they tried. Elke lost in the 1st round of doubs here with Lilia Osterloh (who BTW, umm..can't volley and as of late can't do much of anything, Elke could prob beat her lol), but they lost against a fairly decent team 6-4 in the third. Elke and Kirsten also won a doubs match in the Proximus Diamons Games this year. Maybe thats where she will leave her mark, although I have to say I doubt she'll ever get to Grand Slam level in doubles.

JackFrost
Oct 22nd, 2003, 03:43 PM
god...leave Elke alone! :mad:
Dealing with these expectations from the media is already tough and we still have to compare her to Kim here? Everyone's an individual and shouldn't be compared to one another. Just because Elke has a famous sister, does it means she has to achieve exactly the same thing or better than her? Does that mean any famous player who has a sister have to achieve like the williams sisters? NO!
Bandabou, can you just accept them for being who they are and mind your own business?!?!
Stop commenting on the clijsters' life! :fiery: :fiery: :fiery:

Well, tell that Kimīs and Elkeīs father and the tournamentdirectors, not us. We know that the name Clijsters not necessarily mean great tennis. And we donīt expect anything from Elke.
Itīs her father and the media, that make an hype out of her, just because her surname is Clijsters.

bandabou
Oct 22nd, 2003, 03:43 PM
I think I agree with rhythmboy, Elke just does not have the game for singles. So what? Neither did Rennae Stubbs and she ended up becoming one of the all time greats. Look at the mens tour, which is LOADED with doubles specialist who are ranked top 10 in doubs but couldn't crack top 500 on the tour if they tried. Elke lost in the 1st round of doubs here with Lilia Osterloh (who BTW, umm..can't volley and as of late can't do much of anything, Elke could prob beat her lol), but they lost against a fairly decent team 6-4 in the third. Elke and Kirsten also won a doubs match in the Proximus Diamons Games this year. Maybe thats where she will leave her mark, although I have to say I doubt she'll ever get to Grand Slam level in doubles.

I still find odd how there can be such a HUGE gap in talent between Kim and Elke....I mean the Maleevaīs at least all cracked the top 50 or something....but to have one daughter no.1 in the world and the othe canīt even crack the top 200?!

JackFrost
Oct 22nd, 2003, 03:52 PM
I still find odd how there can be such a HUGE gap in talent between Kim and Elke....I mean the Maleevaīs at least all cracked the top 50 or something....but to have one daughter no.1 in the world and the othe canīt even crack the top 200?!

What about Pete and Stella Sampras, Tommy and Sabine Haas, Michael and Carl Chang, James and Thomas Blake, Paradorn and Narathorn Srichapan, Jennifer and Steven Capriati...? It happened now and then.

beecharmer
Oct 22nd, 2003, 04:03 PM
And the Maleevas were all ranked in the top 10 at the same time at one point (albeit 8, 9 and 10 I think). Pretty remarkable achievement given they received no help from the communist government, and had no sponsorship as juniors, which even the WS couldnt claim.

rikvanlooy
Oct 22nd, 2003, 04:06 PM
She isnīt just RANKED....she has been RANKED....as no.1 that is, same with Serena!! And both have done that not even the better Clijsters have done yet: win slams...and Elke?! Hmmm....

Dat is een belachelijke opmerking.

Ik vind Elke ook al een goede speelster. Ze was vorig jaar (kan ook twee jaar geleden geweest zijn) nummer 1 bij de juniors (dubbelspel).

Er zijn maar weinig speelsters die zo'n goede (tennis)zuster hebben (Williams en Maleeva).

Ik vraag me af of je zelf niet overtuigd bent van de domheid van uw opmerkingen.

bandabou
Oct 22nd, 2003, 04:10 PM
What about Pete and Stella Sampras, Tommy and Sabine Haas, Michael and Carl Chang, James and Thomas Blake, Paradorn and Narathorn Srichapan, Jennifer and Steven Capriati...? It happened now and then.

weīre talking the same-gender here....normally they come up with roughly the same amount of talent..but this disparity between Kim and Elke is stunning.

bandabou
Oct 22nd, 2003, 04:12 PM
Dat is een belachelijke opmerking.

Ik vind Elke ook al een goede speelster. Ze was vorig jaar (kan ook twee jaar geleden geweest zijn) nummer 1 bij de juniors (dubbelspel).

Er zijn maar weinig speelsters die zo'n goede (tennis)zuster hebben (Williams en Maleeva).

Ik vraag me af of je zelf niet overtuigd bent van de domheid van uw opmerkingen.

Dat was in antwoord op een belachelijke vraag. Hey Elke kan best goed zijn, maar ze moet het wel bewijzen on de tennis-velden...of niet?!

rikvanlooy
Oct 23rd, 2003, 08:35 AM
Dat was in antwoord op een belachelijke vraag. Hey Elke kan best goed zijn, maar ze moet het wel bewijzen on de tennis-velden...of niet?!

Ze bewijst het toch. Ze behoort tot de beste speelsters in de wereld (er zijn volgens mij maximaal 1.000 speelsters beter dan haar). Ze is alleen niet goed genoeg om een prof. single speelster te zijn.

Kijk eens naar de andere zusters van Venus, niet bepaald de grootste athleten. Het is puur toeval dat Serena ook zo goed is.

azza
Oct 23rd, 2003, 11:41 AM
why cant Elke have the same coach and stuff as Kim and does Kim try help Elke?

bandabou
Oct 23rd, 2003, 12:10 PM
Ze bewijst het toch. Ze behoort tot de beste speelsters in de wereld (er zijn volgens mij maximaal 1.000 speelsters beter dan haar). Ze is alleen niet goed genoeg om een prof. single speelster te zijn.

Kijk eens naar de andere zusters van Venus, niet bepaald de grootste athleten. Het is puur toeval dat Serena ook zo goed is.

Nou,nou....het grappige is dat één van de ouder zusjes, Lindrea, volgens Richard BETER dan Venus en Serena zou kunnen zijn...maar ze hield niet zo van tennis.

En vergelijk dat met: "Elke is niet goed genoeg om prof te zijn als haar zusje." Dat is een beetje raar....heeft Kim haar niet geholpen, kan ze niet van coach veranderen of is ze gewoon niet goed genoeg?!

Calvin
Oct 23rd, 2003, 12:46 PM
och jong, tis toch duidelijkdat dieje cool bird niets van tennis weet als hij zo domme vragen stelt... iedereen weet dat elke niet zo goed is als haar zus, maar niemand van ons zieligaards zal ook van Elke kunnen winnen hoor!

tenige effect dat deze thread heeft is dat leeghoofden zoals bandabou zich daarmee ongelooflijk kunnen uitleven om af te geven op alles wat niet Williams heet... Dus bandabou, ga uw gang, probeer de wereld te overtuigen dat Elke geen zak waard is, want ja, iedereen gaat er van uit dat de clijsterszusjes samen 1&2 gaan worden :rolleyes:

Elke zal misschien nooit een absolute topper worden, maar als je enkel voor iemand wil supporteren die bijna alles wint, dan ben je zelf de grootste loser. Voor de Williamszusjes supporteren is gemakkelijk, maar om voor een struggelende speelster te supporteren, daar heb je tenminste karakter voor nodig. :rolleyes:

bandabou
Oct 23rd, 2003, 01:37 PM
och jong, tis toch duidelijkdat dieje cool bird niets van tennis weet als hij zo domme vragen stelt... iedereen weet dat elke niet zo goed is als haar zus, maar niemand van ons zieligaards zal ook van Elke kunnen winnen hoor!

tenige effect dat deze thread heeft is dat leeghoofden zoals bandabou zich daarmee ongelooflijk kunnen uitleven om af te geven op alles wat niet Williams heet... Dus bandabou, ga uw gang, probeer de wereld te overtuigen dat Elke geen zak waard is, want ja, iedereen gaat er van uit dat de clijsterszusjes samen 1&2 gaan worden :rolleyes:

Elke zal misschien nooit een absolute topper worden, maar als je enkel voor iemand wil supporteren die bijna alles wint, dan ben je zelf de grootste loser. Voor de Williamszusjes supporteren is gemakkelijk, maar om voor een struggelende speelster te supporteren, daar heb je tenminste karakter voor nodig. :rolleyes:

Hahaha.....grappig, grappig. Ik moet niks proberen, iedereen weet al dat Elke niet kan spelen. Niks over haar waarde....iedereen is waardevol.

Ik ben door erger gegaan als Williams-fan zijnde....ze werden underachievers genoemd zelfs zo laat als ī99, terwijl ze beiden tier I titles hadden, verschillende ander toernooien....in de top VIJF!!! van de wereld zaten....dus kom niet met de "struggelende spelers" verhaal.

Dat ze hun matchen fixen enzovoorts.....in plaats van te bewonderen dat twee zusjes beide zo goed kunnen zijn.

Calvin
Oct 23rd, 2003, 02:17 PM
Ik ben door erger gegaan als Williams-fan zijnde....ze werden underachievers genoemd zelfs zo laat als ī99, terwijl ze beiden tier I titles hadden, verschillende ander toernooien....in de top VIJF!!! van de wereld zaten....dus kom niet met de "struggelende spelers" verhaal.


dat is het belachelijkste wat ik ooit gehoord heb :eek:

dus omdat de williamszusjes nogal wat kritiek kregen toen ze nog up-and-coming waren, moet jij er nu voor zorgen dat de resultaten van alle andere speelsters constant afgebroken worden? :confused: (en neen, claim nu niet dat je dat niet doet, heel GM kent je al veel te goed)

als je echt iemand bent die "door erger gegaan is", dan zou je nu juist volledig anders moeten reageren, en eerder speelsters zoals kim en elke steunen nu zij in de vuurlinie zitten... Nu ja, zoals je de laatste weken in GM bezig bent, ben jij gewoon de vuurlinie zelve...

hypocriet :wavey:

bandabou
Oct 23rd, 2003, 02:46 PM
dat is het belachelijkste wat ik ooit gehoord heb :eek:

dus omdat de williamszusjes nogal wat kritiek kregen toen ze nog up-and-coming waren, moet jij er nu voor zorgen dat de resultaten van alle andere speelsters constant afgebroken worden? :confused: (en neen, claim nu niet dat je dat niet doet, heel GM kent je al veel te goed)

als je echt iemand bent die "door erger gegaan is", dan zou je nu juist volledig anders moeten reageren, en eerder speelsters zoals kim en elke steunen nu zij in de vuurlinie zitten... Nu ja, zoals je de laatste weken in GM bezig bent, ben jij gewoon de vuurlinie zelve...

hypocriet :wavey:

Als de zusjes afgebroken werden wanneer ze in de top 5 zaten, wat moet er met Elke in de top 400 gebeuren?!

Ik breek ook niet af....ik zeg maar dat Elke beter af zou zijn als ze kon rijpen in de challengers, dan zoveel wild-cards krijgen en dan telkens in de eerste ronde te steken. Maar....ze is al 18, misschien is het tijd om iets anders te proberen.

Calvin
Oct 23rd, 2003, 02:52 PM
Ik breek ook niet af....ik zeg maar dat Elke beter af zou zijn als ze kon rijpen in de challengers, dan zoveel wild-cards krijgen en dan telkens in de eerste ronde te steken.

moesten al je posts zo rustig en volwassen zijn, op een geciviliseerde manier je mening uitend, dan zou niemand een probleem met je hebben.

Spijtig genoeg is het merendeel van je posts kinderachtig, repetitief en ongelooflijk irriterend... lees ze zelf maar eens na

bandabou
Oct 23rd, 2003, 02:57 PM
moesten al je posts zo rustig en volwassen zijn, op een geciviliseerde manier je mening uitend, dan zou niemand een probleem met je hebben.

Spijtig genoeg is het merendeel van je posts kinderachtig, repetitief en ongelooflijk irriterend... lees ze zelf maar eens na

Het is maar hoe je het bekijk. In ieder geval waren ze niet zo bedoeld.

MarcusRock
Oct 23rd, 2003, 02:57 PM
Diis iis der stuuped languagessen yu too taalking. Husshen yu moufs.

spooky
Oct 23rd, 2003, 03:00 PM
Diis iis der stuuped languagessen yu too taalking. Husshen yu moufs.
:lol: :lol:

Marcus Rock that is so funny. Yours is the only one I could read.

bandabou
Oct 23rd, 2003, 03:05 PM
Diis iis der stuuped languagessen yu too taalking. Husshen yu moufs.

:lol:

Martian Willow
Oct 23rd, 2003, 03:06 PM
...kon u vertellen me waar de post is...mijn aap is in de boom... :)

Experimentee
Oct 23rd, 2003, 03:13 PM
I think I agree with rhythmboy, Elke just does not have the game for singles. So what? Neither did Rennae Stubbs and she ended up becoming one of the all time greats. Look at the mens tour, which is LOADED with doubles specialist who are ranked top 10 in doubs but couldn't crack top 500 on the tour if they tried. Elke lost in the 1st round of doubs here with Lilia Osterloh (who BTW, umm..can't volley and as of late can't do much of anything, Elke could prob beat her lol), but they lost against a fairly decent team 6-4 in the third. Elke and Kirsten also won a doubs match in the Proximus Diamons Games this year. Maybe thats where she will leave her mark, although I have to say I doubt she'll ever get to Grand Slam level in doubles.

I dont think she'll be anything that great in doubles either. Certainly not a Rennae Stubbs.
I think people shouldnt expect Elke to be good just bc her sister is good, but she gets bashed mainly bc of her WC's into tournaments when there are more deserving players. Thats mainly the tournament directors fault, they shouldnt be giving her these WC's, but players can and do reject them.

QUEENLINDSAY
Oct 23rd, 2003, 03:13 PM
Mga gago, walang utak na mga fans ng magkapatid na williams!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

bandabou
Oct 23rd, 2003, 03:57 PM
I dont think she'll be anything that great in doubles either. Certainly not a Rennae Stubbs.
I think people shouldnt expect Elke to be good just bc her sister is good, but she gets bashed mainly bc of her WC's into tournaments when there are more deserving players. Thats mainly the tournament directors fault, they shouldnt be giving her these WC's, but players can and do reject them.

Exactly.....not every sister-combo can be as good as the Williamses..and the tournament directors should know this.

skanky~skanketta
Oct 23rd, 2003, 06:57 PM
instead of helping her get WC's into tournies, kim should try playing dubs with her, cuz she did have ome pretty good results as a junior in dubs. she was #1 if i'm not mistaken.

*JR*
Oct 23rd, 2003, 07:10 PM
Exactly.....not every sister-combo can be as good as the Williamses..and the tournament directors should know this.
Well, it's not a Q of having to be as good as the W/S combined, just "both good enough". Due to Elke having "only Kim's name, not her game", this duo is not, and the directors certainly DO know that. But they're "held up @ racquet point" to get Kim in the events. And as Exp. said, players can indeed reject them. So any of 3 ppl could stop this racket: Elke, Kim, or Lei. However, as in any Mafia, the only sense of honor seems 2B to one's family.

bandabou
Oct 23rd, 2003, 07:17 PM
Well, it's not a Q of having to be as good as the W/S combined, just "both good enough". Due to Elke having "only Kim's name, not her game", this duo is not, and the directors certainly DO know that. But they're "held up @ racquet point" to get Kim in the events. And as Exp. said, players can indeed reject them. So any of 3 ppl could stop this racket: Elke, Kim, or Lei. However, as in any Mafia, the only sense of honor seems 2B to one's family.


Yep! If I was Elke:"Iīd said I ainīt having any of that! People are only gonna make fun of me losing in the first round time after time."

But I guess she ainīt like me.