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jbone_0307
Oct 18th, 2003, 02:03 AM
I dont find anything wrong with it. Most people dont want a whole CD and anyways they are too expensive. I think its wrong that the government is filing lawsuits again 12 year old :rolleyes: I mean parents dont know everything that their child is doing online. Its pretty hard to feel sorry for music artist when a new episode of Cribs comes on. I know there a producers and other people who make the videos and song come true but i mean think about other people who have the pay 4x more on a regular cd rather than a burned one.

Barrie_Dude
Oct 18th, 2003, 02:27 AM
Well, I have about 10 copies of CD's that I have burned and, collectivley, they have cost me far less than 1 Cd from the record store. I am inclined to never, ever buy music from the store again if this "LawSuitMania" continues!

CanadianBoy21
Oct 18th, 2003, 02:29 AM
In the last five years I bought like 5 Cds, three of them Aaliyah ;)

GBFH
Oct 18th, 2003, 02:30 AM
*agrees*

Lord Chips
Oct 18th, 2003, 07:21 AM
For some reason I can't download songs to my computer but with albums I sometimes buy them and keep them or buy them, upload the songs I like and take it back.

If people don't want customers making copies why is it so easy to do so?

Barrie_Dude
Oct 18th, 2003, 07:36 AM
For some reason I can't download songs to my computer but with albums I sometimes buy them and keep them or buy them, upload the songs I like and take it back.

If people don't want customers making copies why is it so easy to do so?
I borrow CD's from the library and copy them :o

decemberlove
Oct 18th, 2003, 07:51 AM
ive done a lot worse. too many illegal activities in my past.

i have no morals.

Barrie_Dude
Oct 18th, 2003, 07:53 AM
ive done a lot worse. too many illegal activities in my past.

i have no morals.
Thats why we love you! :kiss: :hearts:

Lord Chips
Oct 18th, 2003, 11:10 AM
I borrow CD's from the library and copy them :o
I would if my library had any CDs worth copying

moby
Oct 18th, 2003, 12:48 PM
i read there was this guy who once sued the record companies for cheating us of our money for cds. (incidentally, the basis of his argument was that the prices for records went up when they swopped vinyl for cds because of higher production costs. but when the prices of production went down, the price of the cds still stood)

i think in the end they paid him to zip his mouth :angel:

Brαm
Oct 18th, 2003, 01:06 PM
CDs are way too expensive! No wonder everybody's copying music!!

Allez Kazaa! :p

Martian Willow
Oct 18th, 2003, 01:59 PM
If people don't want customers making copies why is it so easy to do so?

...why wouldn't it be easy...?...you can't make sound copy protected...if you can hear it, you can record it...in fact they are trying to make it harder...ie copy protected CDs that (supposedly) don't play in computer CD drives and DRM...I'm not really sure why stealing music (or computer programs) is somehow considered more morally OK that any other kind of theft...especially when most of the music that gets copied would never get made if there wasn't money it...anyone else here go to work for free...?...so why do you expect people in the music industry or computer programmers to do that...? :)

CanadianBoy21
Oct 19th, 2003, 01:16 AM
...why wouldn't it be easy...?...you can't make sound copy protected...if you can hear it, you can record it...in fact they are trying to make it harder...ie copy protected CDs that (supposedly) don't play in computer CD drives and DRM...I'm not really sure why stealing music (or computer programs) is somehow considered more morally OK that any other kind of theft...especially when most of the music that gets copied would never get made if there wasn't money it...anyone else here go to work for free...?...so why do you expect people in the music industry or computer programmers to do that...? :)

O trust me, they make more than enough!!
The fact is that Cds are too expensive.

I can KIND OF ( :lol: ) symphatize with a music artist who is not popular and does not make a lot of money, but a lot of musicians make A LOT of money, as well as do producers... they rip us off, of course we are going to retaliate. CD prices have been rising because they thought they could rip us off...
as someone said, allez kazaa!!!!!

Martian Willow
Oct 19th, 2003, 01:22 AM
...I don't understand your logic...you're saying it's okay to steal from record companies and software firms because other people don't...? :confused:

decemberlove
Oct 19th, 2003, 02:20 AM
willow, stop your fucking pseudo intellectual bullshit. icare2u's point is very clear.

cds are too expensive. lower the prices and people will happily purchase them, reducing the number of people burning and ripping cds. yes, it will still occur, but not in the number it is today.

Rocketta
Oct 19th, 2003, 03:25 AM
I wan't to know how is it any different from recording songs off the radio and making an audio tape?

Secondly, if the record companies really cared about the consumer they would've come up with a reasonable way to pay for a downloaded song. Where you don't have to buy the entire album of trash. You see they decided they were going to force the patrons to buy albums so they stopped selling singles. Well guess what it has backfired big time.

If they are going to make us by albums they could at least fill them (they can get twice as many songs on a cd! pfft at double cd sets!! :fiery: ) and fill them with decent songs. Not junk. :sad:

decemberlove
Oct 19th, 2003, 03:27 AM
rockie... i love your avy :)

harloo
Oct 19th, 2003, 03:33 AM
If anyone wants to go "LEGAL" then Napster is re-opening it's doors. They will charge $9.95 for an album and .99 for each single. So, if you feel bad about lifting music for free then you can go there.

I love my burned cd's. I mainly like mixed cd's, r&b songs that you can't find, but I have all types of new stuff also. Hope the RIAA doesn't come after me. LOL

I was at the flea market and someone was selling bootleg's and don't you know two officers from the RIAA rolled up on them and they were arrested. :eek: They were selling some good bootlegs though, I mean they had all types of customers. It's too bad the RIAA busted them.

BE CAREFUL CHILDREN, THE RIAA IS WATCHING U! :mad: :lol:

Martian Willow
Oct 19th, 2003, 03:36 AM
...perhaps one of you kind people could explain to a poor pseudo-intellectual why $8 shareware programs get cracked...is it because they're overpriced or is it because people don't give a shit about stealing peoples work if it's easy and they can get away with it...? Thanks. :)

decemberlove
Oct 19th, 2003, 04:04 AM
...perhaps one of you kind people could explain to a poor pseudo-intellectual why $8 shareware programs get cracked...is it because they're overpriced or is it because people don't give a shit about stealing peoples work if it's easy and they can get away with it...? Thanks. :)

cos some people dont like to pay for ANYTHING. i do recall saying people will still burn cds and steal others work. yes, there are a few bad apples out there, but the general population is willing to pay for cds that are priced decently.

also, i wasnt calling you a psuedo-intellectual, i was asking you to drop the bullshit of trying to play the medium by way of acting oblivious to the other side and general consensus. i know youre smarter than that :)

Amadé
Oct 19th, 2003, 04:16 AM
http://community.kournikova.com/images/smilies/king.gif I have yet to burn or copy cds. :angel:

darren cahill
Oct 19th, 2003, 04:18 AM
I'm probably one of the very few whos never downloaded a song (dont know how and dont care to know how) and never burned a cd

best buy around here sells cd's for 9.99...thats not too much to ask really..some movies cost more to go see, i surely can pop that for a cd.

darren cahill
Oct 19th, 2003, 04:20 AM
http://community.kournikova.com/images/smilies/king.gif I have yet to burn or copy cds. :angel:

funny, we posted the same type of coment at the same time!

i was always confused as to what you do with the song once its on your computer? do you have to listen to it while on the computer? what if you are only on it like 3 minutes a day? thats not a lot of time to listen to whatever you downloaded...i think theres worse things that are higher priced than cd's...like gas....that annoys me more

kournikovafan13
Oct 19th, 2003, 04:24 AM
I've never downloaded anything on my computer, but that's probably cuz I can't. My computer is useless. :D

Seriously though, I love buying albums and having album sleeves and stuff like that, so I hope that the "rumor" that albums will be out of the picture in a few years is false. However, I've bought about 8 or so CDs in the past 6 weeks, and overall it's been well over $100. Some record stores have CDs from $11-16, which isn't that bad, but most price it at $18 and then put on like 50% fucking tax, so it's like $23. I think a good solution is to reduce prices to 9 or 10 dollars for EVERY cd, which I think one label is doing already.

darren cahill
Oct 19th, 2003, 04:28 AM
i bought 3 cd's just the other day and it was just about 30 bucks...

i'm telling ya, best buy has cds here for under 10 bucks for almost every new cd...and even the older ones arent that much more...its the cd stores in the malls that kill ya, like sam goody and stuff.....back when Madonnas last cd came out, best buy had it for 9.99 and sam goodys had it for 18.99...thats just retarted.

by the way, that sam goodys just closed...no wonder, with best buy down the street just a bit, who'd go to sam goodys?

alexusjonesfan
Oct 19th, 2003, 04:29 AM
Think what people may, I don't think anybody's ready to go back to the days of purchasing all their music. I'm sure the concept of producing music will adapt to the market (instead of trying to force the market to go backwards and conform) and find another stream of revenue. VCR's didn't end up being the death knell of theatres and bigscreen movies etc etc and I don't think CD piracy is going to obliterate the music industry. The ways of producing and purchasing music have changed considerably in the last century alone (from sheet music only to play on the piano during gatherings...to an Ipod in every pocket). The RIAA missed the boat on creating a viable alternative to Napster when it originally came out. I think services like ITunes, PressPlay etc. would've had greater appeal had they come out sooner, now they expect their customers to pretend it didn't happen and fall back in line.

btw, about software piracy: I've got some friends in the graphics design field who obviously need to work with Photoshop, Corel Draw, Dreamweaver, Flash, LightWave etc.etc. all of which are horrendously expensive. Now, if they really wanted to, I'm sure they could find cracks for all the of the aforementioned software, yet they insist on shelling out over a thousand (!) dollars on the programs. Similarly, when I'll upgrade my windows (whenever the next one comes out--Longhorn I think?) I've got this nagging urge to pay for it in full (would that be a conscience? :o). Anyone know why that is? :confused:

decemberlove
Oct 19th, 2003, 04:35 AM
ive DLed lots of songs, usually just to test it out and see if its worth the fucking $18 i gotta pay.

if its underground, ill always support the artist. mainstream, i couldnt really care any less. my DLing a song or two of theirs isnt putting a dent in their income.

and yeah darren, best buy is the best place to buy cds and dvds at for a good price :)

alexusjonesfan
Oct 19th, 2003, 04:38 AM
btw, don't let my earlier post deceive you into believing that I have scruples...the 8 gigs of music on my hard drive beg to differ :o

decemberlove
Oct 19th, 2003, 04:41 AM
btw, about software piracy: I've got some friends in the graphics design field who obviously need to work with Photoshop, Corel Draw, Dreamweaver, Flash, LightWave etc.etc. all of which are horrendously expensive. Now, if they really wanted to, I'm sure they could find cracks for all the of the aforementioned software, yet they insist on shelling out over a thousand (!) dollars on the programs. Similarly, when I'll upgrade my windows (whenever the next one comes out--Longhorn I think?) I've got this nagging urge to pay for it in full (would that be a conscience? :o). Anyone know why that is? :confused:

yes, its called a conscience, something i lack and honestly dont care to have :)
i have corel draw 11 and photoshop 7, both of which i didnt pay for. but, like i said, ive done worse.


im one of those bad apples...

toreador
Oct 19th, 2003, 04:59 AM
i wouldnt buy cds even if it was for 10euro...theyre not worth it...i burn cds all the time (dvds too)

kournikovafan13
Oct 19th, 2003, 05:08 AM
i'm telling ya, best buy has cds here for under 10 bucks for almost every new cd

Not true. Today I went and got two CD's - Nickelback's "The Long Road" and Natalie Imbruglia's "Left Of The Middle" - one new, one old. Both were $16.

BigTennisFan
Oct 19th, 2003, 05:53 AM
Years ago there was a program going around called AOL4Free. People were using it to steal AOL. Then someone loaded it with a virus and the thieves screamed like stuck pigs.

Ironic isn't it?

Perhaps a few viruses loaded into some of these songs might make for some interesting experiences for the song stealers.

And please don't give me this business about CD's having a bunch of crap on them.

Bill Maher did a good take on that when he said that if you think that the records of yesteryear were all loaded with great material, you're crazy.

The old records usually had two or three good songs and the rest was crap just like it is nowadays. :lol:

alexusjonesfan
Oct 19th, 2003, 06:04 AM
You know what bothers me? The fact that you can get cracks for virus-scanners :o (not that I would know anything about that sort of thing :hehehe: )

It kinda makes you lose faith in the whole concept of virus protection :shrug:

decemberlove
Oct 19th, 2003, 06:22 AM
Perhaps a few viruses loaded into some of these songs might make for some interesting experiences for the song stealers.

And please don't give me this business about CD's having a bunch of crap on them.

Bill Maher did a good take on that when he said that if you think that the records of yesteryear were all loaded with great material, you're crazy.

The old records usually had two or three good songs and the rest was crap just like it is nowadays. :lol:

shit, you can put all the viruses you want in songs... thats why i have a live update feature on my anti-virus. :devil:

... that i believe we got for free using a crack

and yeah, i saw that bill maher show. but prices were different then. paying $20 for a cd is ridiculous. a cd is the same price as a fucking dvd... that just doesnt seem right to me.

Amadé
Oct 19th, 2003, 06:26 AM
http://community.kournikova.com/images/smilies/king.gif I can't believe that I'm listening to C U When U Get There by Coolio. I'm listening to it for one reason.

darren cahill
Oct 19th, 2003, 01:03 PM
Not true. Today I went and got two CD's - Nickelback's "The Long Road" and Natalie Imbruglia's "Left Of The Middle" - one new, one old. Both were $16.


whats not true? that i said the best buy HERE has cheap cd's? i live in maryland and you are in arizona...prices can be different ya know? the best buy here is cheap...thats all i was sayin'

(thats what ya get for buying lame ass trash like Natalie Imbruglia anyhow! ;) :devil: )

toreador
Oct 19th, 2003, 01:41 PM
Think what people may, I don't think anybody's ready to go back to the days of purchasing all their music. I'm sure the concept of producing music will adapt to the market (instead of trying to force the market to go backwards and conform) and find another stream of revenue. VCR's didn't end up being the death knell of theatres and bigscreen movies etc etc and I don't think CD piracy is going to obliterate the music industry. The ways of producing and purchasing music have changed considerably in the last century alone (from sheet music only to play on the piano during gatherings...to an Ipod in every pocket). The RIAA missed the boat on creating a viable alternative to Napster when it originally came out. I think services like ITunes, PressPlay etc. would've had greater appeal had they come out sooner, now they expect their customers to pretend it didn't happen and fall back in line.

btw, about software piracy: I've got some friends in the graphics design field who obviously need to work with Photoshop, Corel Draw, Dreamweaver, Flash, LightWave etc.etc. all of which are horrendously expensive. Now, if they really wanted to, I'm sure they could find cracks for all the of the aforementioned software, yet they insist on shelling out over a thousand (!) dollars on the programs. Similarly, when I'll upgrade my windows (whenever the next one comes out--Longhorn I think?) I've got this nagging urge to pay for it in full (would that be a conscience? :o). Anyone know why that is? :confused:
well if ur friends r working for a company then they ought to buy the products they use.

Martian Willow
Oct 19th, 2003, 02:28 PM
yes, its called a conscience, something i lack and honestly dont care to have :)
i have corel draw 11 and photoshop 7, both of which i didnt pay for. but, like i said, ive done worse.


im one of those bad apples...

...well fair enough...but don't complain when people steal from you...and don't be surprised when (as appears to happen quite frequently from what I can tell) you have problems with your computer... :)

toreador
Oct 19th, 2003, 02:55 PM
...well fair enough...but don't complain when people steal from you...and don't be surprised when (as appears to happen quite frequently from what I can tell) you have problems with your computer... :)
having problems doesnt come from stealing programs/music etc unless they have a virus....r there any people who dont use an antivirus? :confused:

Martian Willow
Oct 19th, 2003, 03:01 PM
...you're wrong...cracked software causes problems because the copy protection is often specifically designed to do that if it's removed... :)

alexusjonesfan
Oct 19th, 2003, 03:16 PM
...you're wrong...cracked software causes problems because the copy protection is often specifically designed to do that if it's removed... :)

depends on the quality of the crack, nevertheless. Often just using a keygen allows you to register a program, but you won't be able to download updates etc. More thorough cracks involving replacing numerous installed files can give you all the functionality of the original program. (works especially well with games...you can't tell the difference)

Experimentee
Oct 19th, 2003, 03:20 PM
I dont think theres anything wrong with just downloading songs, but maybe its wrong to burn cds.
At least when most people d/l songs they intend to just listen to them and buy the cd if they like it. Or they d/l songs that are rare or unavaliable on cd. I dont think people should be penalised for doing that. It gives little known bands or artists the exposure they need.
Burning cds on the other hand shows that you arent willing to pay for it at all, and is more wrong. I've seen people burning copies of a $15 cd produced by people i know from my school, and the money goes to fundraising! That is just wrong imo.

I disagree with record companies and the like suing people for that though. They get enough money from ripping bands and artists off anyway, and they just make themselves look greedy by wanting more money off the public. I'm so glad they arent suing anyone in Australia.

decemberlove
Oct 19th, 2003, 05:17 PM
...well fair enough...but don't complain when people steal from you...and don't be surprised when (as appears to happen quite frequently from what I can tell) you have problems with your computer... :)

steal what from me? ha... i dont have much to take. :confused:

i dunno where youd get the impression that i have problems with my computer frequently. i rarely post from my computer on here, as i was usually posting from my [ex] boyfriends house. he had a few problems from time to time. the only problems ive had is western digital sending me dead HD and my electrical connection... the wires in my house are old and when it storms we usually have a few issues. other than that, ive had no problems cos of viruses or software.

i cant recall complaining about these problems recently, and i KNOW ive NEVER asked for help. am i wrong in assuming you werent here earlier than may 2003? it wouldnt surprise me if i was wrong, cos you remind me of a certain poster. :)

BigTennisFan
Oct 19th, 2003, 05:44 PM
shit, you can put all the viruses you want in songs... thats why i have a live update feature on my anti-virus. :devil:

... that i believe we got for free using a crack

and yeah, i saw that bill maher show. but prices were different then. paying $20 for a cd is ridiculous. a cd is the same price as a fucking dvd... that just doesnt seem right to me.

Oh you think that $8 or $10 bucks for an album was cheap in 1970? People ALWAYS complain about prices. But I never see anyone saying that they are underpaid. Quick to say that others are overpaid though.

alexusjonesfan
Oct 19th, 2003, 05:47 PM
Oh you think that $8 or $10 bucks for an album was cheap in 1970? People ALWAYS complain about prices. But I never see anyone saying that they are underpaid. Quick to say that others are overpaid though.

I'm underpaid :sad:

I don't think Mariah Carey is though :eek:

BigTennisFan
Oct 19th, 2003, 05:48 PM
steal what from me? ha... i dont have much to take. :confused:

i dunno where youd get the impression that i have problems with my computer frequently. i rarely post from my computer on here, as i was usually posting from my [ex] boyfriends house. he had a few problems from time to time. the only problems ive had is western digital sending me dead HD and my electrical connection... the wires in my house are old and when it storms we usually have a few issues. other than that, ive had no problems cos of viruses or software.

i cant recall complaining about these problems recently, and i KNOW ive NEVER asked for help. am i wrong in assuming you werent here earlier than may 2003? it wouldnt surprise me if i was wrong, cos you remind me of a certain poster. :)


Karma, perhaps? Maybe as long as you are a proud thief with no scruples, you never will have much. :o

alexusjonesfan
Oct 19th, 2003, 05:50 PM
lol, at the 'nannies' in this thread.

I'm a software/movie/music pirate :o

Martian Willow
Oct 19th, 2003, 05:57 PM
...I do remember you mentioning computers problems since I've been here...even if I can't be arsed to search for the posts...obviously I don't know if they were related to cracked software...but I do know people who fix computers both for a living and as favours...and they will tell you it's quite common to find people who bring in their PCs to have a HD full of cracks...and anyway, that wasn't really my point...I was more interested (possibly because I know and know of people who earn their living writing software) in why people think it's more ok to steal software than anything else...if you're saying it's not ok but you don't care then I don't think your views are particularly relevant...the only other answer I've heard is that the software is 'overpriced' which strikes me as a strange argument given that a) lots of other things are overpriced (especially in the UK) but nobody suggests that's an excuse to steal them and b) relatively cheap shareware gets cracked by the same people...the only difference I can see is it's easier to steal digital media than anything else...that hardly makes it ok...

...and if you're observant enough to remember a certain poster...who may have expressed similar views...I'd think you'd also be observant enough to notice my making occasional veiled references to that poster since I've been here...ho hum...(...of course you might mean someone else completely...in which case pretend I never said that...)... :)

Rocketta
Oct 19th, 2003, 06:40 PM
nobody has answered my question? How is it worse than recording music off the radio on to a tape?

That's what we did in the 70/80's. We never bought albums cause we couldn't afford them.

I buy the artists I really like albums but I'll be damned if I'm going to pay for one hit wonders albums just cause I like their one song. Sorry. I can always go back to have a tape in the stereo on Record/pause....:o It ain't no thang but a chicken wang...:cool:

alexusjonesfan
Oct 19th, 2003, 06:46 PM
nobody has answered my question? How is it worse than recording music off the radio on to a tape?

That's what we did in the 70/80's. We never bought albums cause we couldn't afford them.

I buy the artists I really like albums but I'll be damned if I'm going to pay for one hit wonders albums just cause I like their one song. Sorry. I can always go back to have a tape in the stereo on Record/pause....:o It ain't no thang but a chicken wang...:cool:

I dunno much about this (never really taped that much off the radio)...but I'm guessing it's the scale of the 'taping' that's much bigger now. Then again, the numbers given by the RIAA to support that record sales have fallen because of priacy often get re-analyzed by others to show the opposite (hinting at the ambiguity of the figures) or some people even try to prove that any falls in sales was due to the lack of originality in music these days :eek:...Britney and Xtina sure don't seem to lose sales because of piracy, the argument goes :o

Rocketta
Oct 19th, 2003, 07:17 PM
I dunno much about this (never really taped that much off the radio)...but I'm guessing it's the scale of the 'taping' that's much bigger now. Then again, the numbers given by the RIAA to support that record sales have fallen because of priacy often get re-analyzed by others to show the opposite (hinting at the ambiguity of the figures) or some people even try to prove that any falls in sales was due to the lack of originality in music these days :eek:...Britney and Xtina sure don't seem to lose sales because of piracy, the argument goes :o

well then you must be a youngin! :p

cause that is all we did as teenagers plus listen to the songs over and over to write the words down...:o

decemberlove
Oct 19th, 2003, 07:21 PM
Karma, perhaps? Maybe as long as you are a proud thief with no scruples, you never will have much. :o

a proud thief :rolleyes: while i know what i am doing is wrong, i dont care cos its from big corporations... i dont go around stealing from families or small businesses. spare me the moralist babble as i can think of many very wealthy people that got to where they are by stealing and fucking people over. being naive and nice will get you nowhere in life.

i dont have much cos my family doesnt have much... nothing to do with karma cos my parents have always done shit the right way. im just a broke college student pushing my way through community college.

decemberlove
Oct 19th, 2003, 08:02 PM
...I do remember you mentioning computers problems since I've been here...even if I can't be arsed to search for the posts...obviously I don't know if they were related to cracked software...but I do know people who fix computers both for a living and as favours...and they will tell you it's quite common to find people who bring in their PCs to have a HD full of cracks...and anyway, that wasn't really my point...I was more interested (possibly because I know and know of people who earn their living writing software) in why people think it's more ok to steal software than anything else...if you're saying it's not ok but you don't care then I don't think your views are particularly relevant...the only other answer I've heard is that the software is 'overpriced' which strikes me as a strange argument given that a) lots of other things are overpriced (especially in the UK) but nobody suggests that's an excuse to steal them and b) relatively cheap shareware gets cracked by the same people...the only difference I can see is it's easier to steal digital media than anything else...that hardly makes it ok...

...and if you're observant enough to remember a certain poster...who may have expressed similar views...I'd think you'd also be observant enough to notice my making occasional veiled references to that poster since I've been here...ho hum...(...of course you might mean someone else completely...in which case pretend I never said that...)... :)

yeah, the ex works on computers for the gov't. we tried the hd in his puter and others.. turns out it was shot from the get-go. it was a refurbished one sent by western digital as the original one had got blown out when we got hit with lightning.

anyway, you want the truth? most who steal know its not alright, they just dont want to 'fess up to it. theyll give you bullshit excuses to make themselves feel better about it. now, i know its wrong, i just dont give a fuck. :)
people steal cos its so damn easy and the risk of getting caught is low. most who steal music or software or movies wouldnt dare actually going into a store and stealing a cd, dvd, or clothes cos the risk of getting caught is high. stores have protected themselves from this kind of theft by the ordinary people... only the experienced can really get away with theft in a high security store.
but software, cd, dvds, etc arent like this. technology has made it far too easy to steal.

i know a perfect circles recently released album in the UK is copy protected... people are pissed cos they cant put it on their ipods. basically, its punishing the people who do pay for cds and music. so the cds companies are gonna have to try to find a new way of going about protecting their music. luckily, the a perfect circle release was not copy protected in the US [and yes, i actually bought the album at stores for fucking $17]

regarding you being someone else... no, you arent who i think you are. it actually has nothing to do with your views, more like your condescending attitude that reminds me of someone. :) but its not who im thinking, so ill just pretend we never had this part of the conversation. :tape: im not observant in the least bit... esp online.

Martian Willow
Oct 19th, 2003, 08:30 PM
i know a perfect circles recently released album in the UK is copy protected... people are pissed cos they cant put it on their ipods. basically, its punishing the people who do pay for cds and music. so the cds companies are gonna have to try to find a new way of going about protecting their music. luckily, the a perfect circle release was not copy protected in the US [and yes, i actually bought the album at stores for fucking $17]

...there's no such thing as a 'copy protected CD'...if you can hear it, you can copy it...


your condescending attitude

...thanks... :)

decemberlove
Oct 19th, 2003, 09:02 PM
...there's no such thing as a 'copy protected CD'...if you can hear it, you can copy it...


so, people are just making this up i suppose?
i always thought if theres a will, theres a way. apparently everyone outside of the us is having this problem, so it leads me to believe it is possible to completely protect a cd from being copied.

09/15/2003 • THIRTEENTH STEP: COPY PROTECTION
It looks like the version of the cd released in America will not feature copy protection, but pretty much all others will. So in this case it looks like fans in Europe are getting screwed by the suits even more then we are. Sorry. Also, I have gotten many emails on this subject, and I thought I would just share one of them in hopes that we can play a small part in bringing attention to this issue.

"Hello,
I just felt like telling you, that I got the record today (in Switzerland) and it IS copy protected so it turns out, that (after pre-ordering the album on the 7th of October 2003)I can't listen to it because it doesn't play on my discman (Sony D-CJ501) and I can tell you that I'm VERY pissed off!!! This is a total rip-off! Every asshole who downloads the album and burns it onto CD can easily listen to it but the honest buyer can't??"

EMI is responsible for the copy protection, not Virgin. What I want to know is... who is responsible for the record NOT being available on the iTunes Music store?

link: http://aperfectcircle.org/

Martian Willow
Oct 19th, 2003, 09:31 PM
...that's a different thing...the copy protection, being crap, makes the CD incompatible with certain CD players...the way round that is to copy it onto a CDR (having paid for it first of course)... http://forum.midiaddict.com/viewtopic.php?t=27611 :)

Monique
Oct 19th, 2003, 11:55 PM
...there's no such thing as a 'copy protected CD'...if you can hear it, you can copy it... ...thanks... :)

Willow, I don't think that's entirely true, a Brazilian friend of mine sent me this awesome "Tribalists" original album, and when I tried to copy the cd in my burner, it just wouldn't allow me to do so, even though I was using the original cd album and burner software :sad:...

I can still listen to the cd in my hard-drive and stereo, I just cannot copy, transfer or work the songs in any way... So, the technology to impede cd or DVD copying onto blank ones exists and I expect it to become more and more common...

Martian Willow
Oct 20th, 2003, 12:13 AM
...you just need to record the output from a CD player (preferably with a digital output...I think Playstation 2s have optical outs) into some audio editing software... :)

toreador
Oct 20th, 2003, 03:06 AM
...you're wrong...cracked software causes problems because the copy protection is often specifically designed to do that if it's removed... :)
i read sth about that. isnt it new? i heard about a game...and theyre probably gonna use that protection for windows too :eek: :sad:

alexusjonesfan
Oct 20th, 2003, 03:10 AM
i read sth about that. isnt it new? i heard about a game...and theyre probably gonna use that protection for windows too :eek: :sad:

It's not that new. Many programs are made to be 'tamper proof'. Windows already has such features but there are still ways to get around it. Microsoft still gives out OEM licenses to computer makers allowing them to install windows in several computers by using the same professional license. If you happen to get your hand on one of those, you automatically get a free version of windows...though I hear the critical service packs still won't install properly on an unregistered version (you can get other updates fine, just not critical service packs) :hehehe:

toreador
Oct 20th, 2003, 03:17 AM
anyway, you want the truth? most who steal know its not alright, they just dont want to 'fess up to it. theyll give you bullshit excuses to make themselves feel better about it. now, i know its wrong, i just dont give a fuck. :)


same here

toreador
Oct 20th, 2003, 03:20 AM
It's not that new. Many programs are made to be 'tamper proof'. Windows already has such features but there are still ways to get around it. Microsoft still gives out OEM licenses to computer makers allowing them to install windows in several computers by using the same professional license. If you happen to get your hand on one of those, you automatically get a free version of windows...though I hear the critical service packs still won't install properly on an unregistered version (you can get other updates fine, just not critical service packs) :hehehe:
actually there r keygens that change ur registration number and u can install service packs fine :angel:

toreador
Oct 20th, 2003, 03:27 AM
...you just need to record the output from a CD player (preferably with a digital output...I think Playstation 2s have optical outs) into some audio editing software... :)
there is another way though ive never tried it...u just draw a line with a soft pen on the readable surface of the cd and then it plays fine.

alexusjonesfan
Oct 20th, 2003, 04:06 AM
actually there r keygens that change ur registration number and u can install service packs fine :angel:

really now? :hehehe:

How could an individual, hypothetically speaking, get his/her hands on such a keygen?

(I've looked everywhere and I can't find it :o)

toreador
Oct 20th, 2003, 04:11 AM
really now? :hehehe:

How could an individual, hypothetically speaking, get his/her hands on such a keygen?

(I've looked everywhere and I can't find it :o)
u have a pm

alexusjonesfan
Oct 20th, 2003, 04:21 AM
u have a pm

How dare you try and corrupt me with your illegal warez! :o

:secret:thanks

toreador
Oct 20th, 2003, 04:27 AM
How dare you try and corrupt me with your illegal warez! :o

:secret:thanks
lol

what r u talking about? im an :angel:

i added u ;)

alexusjonesfan
Oct 20th, 2003, 04:37 AM
lol

what r u talking about? im an :angel:

i added u ;)

oh, don't try and put up an act...I know your type. You lil rascal you :o

I'll be off to bed now...

happy hacking :lol:

toreador
Oct 20th, 2003, 04:42 AM
oh, don't try and put up an act...I know your type. You lil rascal you :o

I'll be off to bed now...

happy hacking :lol:
lol ok

goodnight:wavey:

btw i only hack games :devil: