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Serendy Willick
Oct 11th, 2003, 12:02 AM
Letting 600 lb wild tigers and lions live in your house? :eek: Sleep in your bed? :eek: I dont care what you say, if a 600 lb tiger mauls you, it is no accident folks.

JonBcn
Oct 11th, 2003, 12:41 PM
They really give me the creeps.

Rocketta
Oct 11th, 2003, 02:07 PM
I don't think they are Nuts. Some people say if you let your cat or dog sleep in the bed your nuts. We're all just different.

I think they love tigers. Why shouldn't they, tigers has made them Millions.

Oh and I believe Sigfried when he says the Tiger didn't attack Roy. I believe something happened Roy Fell the tiger feeling like there was danger dragged Roy to safety, which was back stage. He did not maul Roy. Had the Tiger attacked Roy he would be dead, The Tiger would be dead, and as Siegfried says his life would've been destroyed.

Tigers can snap the necks of 2 ton animal's neck in under 30 seconds. If the Tiger was trying to attack Roy and had him by the neck how long do you think it would take? I really don't think that Tiger was attacking Roy.

alexusjonesfan
Oct 11th, 2003, 02:19 PM
That makes sense Rocketta, a tiger could do a lot more than that if it saw Roy as a source of food ;)

Ballbuster
Oct 11th, 2003, 03:08 PM
Say what you will. I think the tiger was getting tired of all of those stints, (6 days a week) and was just about done with the routine.

So he decided to exert some masculinity. Took charge and roughed up the boss. Happens all the time in corporate america. The animal is known for fierceness. That black dude in Ny City, kept a tiger in his house and the tiger bit him. Now he's walking with a cane. Now, he wants his tiger back because he loves him.

Please. You turn on me and you die!

alexusjonesfan
Oct 11th, 2003, 03:12 PM
It was the tiger's first show though...it wasn't one of those veteran tigers who had been performing day in and day out :D

Ballbuster
Oct 11th, 2003, 03:53 PM
It was the tiger's first show though...it wasn't one of those veteran tigers who had been performing day in and day out :D


Still he's not for the stage, and he's obviously not down for those stunts.

What gets me is Sigfreid and his Manager is in such denial about the whole damn thing. They, acting all Faboo and cavalier. Jesus, They really turning me off. Do you see the face peels and makeup? and the whole grandiose atmosphere?

They so Fake. But I love the tigers.

starr
Oct 11th, 2003, 04:02 PM
It was the tiger's first show though...it wasn't one of those veteran tigers who had been performing day in and day out :D

It wasn't the tiger's first show. That is just something Roy says every show ...

The tiger had been performing for several years.

I'm not sure about the whole story that Siefried et al. are telling now. I am sure that the tiger wasn't trying to kill Roy because it would have been over instantly, but it could have been disciplining Roy. Tigers have amazing control over their mouths so I'm not altogether sure about the story that the tiger was trying to protect Roy by dragging him backstage. At anyrate, when something goes wrong in an animal act, I think all trainers would agree that it is usually a miscalculation by the trainer.

Cybelle Darkholme
Oct 11th, 2003, 04:15 PM
I don't think they are Nuts. Some people say if you let your cat or dog sleep in the bed your nuts. We're all just different.

I think they love tigers. Why shouldn't they, tigers has made them Millions.

Oh and I believe Sigfried when he says the Tiger didn't attack Roy. I believe something happened Roy Fell the tiger feeling like there was danger dragged Roy to safety, which was back stage. He did not maul Roy. Had the Tiger attacked Roy he would be dead, The Tiger would be dead, and as Siegfried says his life would've been destroyed.

Tigers can snap the necks of 2 ton animal's neck in under 30 seconds. If the Tiger was trying to attack Roy and had him by the neck how long do you think it would take? I really don't think that Tiger was attacking Roy.

well said. Now watch the pseudo amateurs come in and try to refute what you and siegfried said. They are the freaking trainers one would think they would know more about tigers than a few misinformed hysterical posters on a message board.

Roy would be dead if that tiger was attacking him. This was a horrible horrible accident. thats all. thankfully he survived and the tiger wasnt harmed by a bunch of maniacal hysterical jump the gun people who know nothing.

GoDominique
Oct 11th, 2003, 04:27 PM
well said. Now watch the pseudo amateurs come in and try to refute what you and siegfried said. They are the freaking trainers one would think they would know more about tigers than a few misinformed hysterical posters on a message board.

Roy would be dead if that tiger was attacking him. This was a horrible horrible accident. thats all. thankfully he survived and the tiger wasnt harmed by a bunch of maniacal hysterical jump the gun people who know nothing.
Sorry, but there were experts (from zoos etc.) who said that that they didn't believe in the "accident theory" either.

JonBcn
Oct 11th, 2003, 04:52 PM
Regardless of whether or not it was an accident, keeping wild animals and expecting them to behave like their domestic cousins is a)cruel, and b)asking for trouble

Rocketta
Oct 11th, 2003, 06:05 PM
Regardless of whether or not it was an accident, keeping wild animals and expecting them to behave like their domestic cousins is a)cruel, and b)asking for trouble

That's just it. I don't think Siegfried and Roy thought that. I think they would have had many more accidents if they did. This is one accident that is serious in 30 years of dealing closely with Tigers. The Hannah guy (I saw him on one of the shows) seems to think it was an accident and not an attack.

Something clearly happened out of the ordinary for the Tiger to react out of the ordinary. However, I do not think it was in retaliation to something Roy was doing or had done because I've never seen rampaging/revengeful animals not just kill the object of the rampage, ala Circus Elephants or other animals that are not treated as well as they could be.

However, that is just my opinion and clearly they don't have it on tape or else we would have seen it by now. Only Roy and the Tiger know. Roy's first reaction was not to take the incident out on the tiger and I'll just go along with him I guess.

Rocketta
Oct 11th, 2003, 06:07 PM
Regardless of whether or not it was an accident, keeping wild animals and expecting them to behave like their domestic cousins is a)cruel, and b)asking for trouble

the funny thing is you could never get a domesticated cat to do half the stuff you could get a tiger to do. Go figure...:shrug:

JonBcn
Oct 11th, 2003, 06:32 PM
Haha...I've long given up trying to understand domestic cats, they're a law unto themselves ;)

I think that the spin on the story from the Siegfried and Roy camp comes from the fact that they're all desperately trying to keep their jobs...

gentenaire
Oct 11th, 2003, 06:33 PM
It's not because the tiger didn't kill Roy while he could that this means he was trying to protect Roy. Other specialists seem to think the tiger's hunting instinct took over when Roy fell, and that the tiger dragged its prey off to a safe place to eat.

Anyway, we don't really know. I have to agree with Jon though (again), whatever the intentions of the tiger were, it's still a dangerous animal.

IMO, these kind of tigers belong in their natural habitat, they need space!

Rocketta
Oct 11th, 2003, 06:38 PM
Haha...I've long given up trying to understand domestic cats, they're a law unto themselves ;)

I think that the spin on the story from the Siegfried and Roy camp comes from the fact that they're all desperately trying to keep their jobs...

Tell me about it. I can't get my cat to not sit on me whenever he feels like it. :o

I don't think Siegfried cares about the money. These men are rich beyond belief. If I had to guess at a motivation to fabricate it would be to protect the Tiger from those who would want it put down as a dangerous animal.

Rocketta
Oct 11th, 2003, 06:40 PM
It's not because the tiger didn't kill Roy while he could that this means he was trying to protect Roy. Other specialists seem to think the tiger's hunting instinct took over when Roy fell, and that the tiger dragged its prey off to a safe place to eat.

Anyway, we don't really know. I have to agree with Jon though (again), whatever the intentions of the tiger were, it's still a dangerous animal.

IMO, these kind of tigers belong in their natural habitat, they need space!

either way, it seems to me it was the act of Roy falling which was the mistake that triggered this episode.

Tigers surely are dangeous and I don't think anyone thinks otherwise . I don't think Siegfried and Roy think they can be totally domesticated. Also, I was under the impression that tigers, lions kill their prey before taking it to their habitat(ie, tree) to eat. Oh well we'll never know.

Cybelle Darkholme
Oct 11th, 2003, 09:19 PM
keep their jobs? they already said they were ending the show.

DiNaPic
Oct 16th, 2003, 09:14 AM
http://www.consumptionjunction.com/downloads/cj_27226.gif

JonBcn
Oct 16th, 2003, 09:40 AM
Wow...actual video of what happened! :eek:
:lol:

Rocketta
Oct 16th, 2003, 04:11 PM
That's just not right! :lol:

whoever did that video just ain't living right.