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CamilleVidann
Oct 4th, 2003, 09:17 AM
We have the biggest population in the world and naturally have the most talents of all. We're still underdevelopped tennis wise but are growing at the fastest rate ever. Wish more advanced facilities, experienced staff, we can ver well dominate this sport in the not too far future. We didn't see so many top 200 players just five years ago and now we have like quite a few. I think the 2010s will be our era.

MLF
Oct 4th, 2003, 09:41 AM
I don't think they'll dominate the sport no but I do think there will be more Chinese players in the top 200 than ever before as travel restrictions become more relaxed. There have always been good Chinese players though. Hu Na, Fang Li & Jing-Qian Yi have all attained higher rankings in the past than current top Chinese player Jie Zheng.

The Chinese were supposed to dominate track and field after 1993 whenever Wang Junxia, Qu Yunxia & Dong Liu ran those amazing times but that neber happened.

TheBoiledEgg
Oct 4th, 2003, 10:37 AM
well for one thing Tennis is certainly gonna go EAST.

be it East Europe or Far East....... its still definately East ;)

Grachka
Oct 4th, 2003, 10:44 AM
Is Zheng not going to be in the Top 100 after reaching the semis in Tokyo, beating Talaja and Tanasugarn, surely she will move?

V.Melb
Oct 4th, 2003, 10:50 AM
The current lot are Tian-Tian Sun, Zi Yan, and of course, Jie Zheng.
Theres a couple of young ones to watch out for as well.
Particularly Shuai Peng. Already taken Amy Frazier to 3 sets.
Also Quan Gao and Sheng-Nan Sun are taking apart most girls in the spanish 10k's

Steveg
Oct 4th, 2003, 11:43 AM
We have the biggest population in the world and naturally have the most talents of all. We're still underdevelopped tennis wise but are growing at the fastest rate ever. Wish more advanced facilities, experienced staff, we can ver well dominate this sport in the not too far future. We didn't see so many top 200 players just five years ago and now we have like quite a few. I think the 2010s will be our era.China is targetting 2008, not the 2010s ;) .

wongqks
Oct 4th, 2003, 12:18 PM
realistically no, but I am sure by 2010 we will for sure see a chinese top 20 or top tenner. Yes China pour in a lot more money recently on tennis. But the truth is that generally chinese are shorter and less strong than western. (although yes we see a lot of big girls, but as a proportion it is not enough.) It is hard to see americans or europeans fading away as they too put a lot of money into the sport.

I will love to see a chinese slam winner one day, that would be great, but dominate the sport like the USA right now? I think not

kku
Oct 4th, 2003, 12:36 PM
I don't think that'll happen anytime soon. There is no doubt that the Chinese government has put a lot of time and money into developing sport talents in China. But like Wongqks said, there are currently not enough physically developed Chinese tennis talents to knock the Western world from dominating the sport. And it's not like the Americans/Europeans are falling behind as well. China has yet to host an established big-name tournament - another sign of its infancy in the tennis world. And population doesn't mean much as well. Japan has over 125 million people, but most of the country's focus is on baseball and soccer, whereas tennis is pretty much neglected ever since Date left the scene *sigh*.

Money doesn't mean everything. Sure, the Chinese government are pumping a lot into the sport, but whether enough people are interested in putting that money to good use (i.e. a significant proportion love tennis enough).

But I don't think it's the physicality which handicapped Asian players from challenging the West. Chang and Date showed that court mobility and accuracy can very well make up for what they lack in size. I think it's 1) sponsers who are dedicated enough to staying behind the players and support a long career and 2) the asian emphasis on education takes a lot of potential practice time for players in developing their skills. About 99% of Asian players study and play tennis before debuting in the professional tour. Martina Hingis needed to practice an average of 5-6 hours a day on court. I suppose anything less than that won't guarantee a place in the top of the tennis league. After all, those in the business world work around 10 hours or more each day in order to try and move up the ladder, and tennis IS a profession, so it's expected that to be the best, tennis players have to dedicate a lot of practice time to honing their skills. I think that Asian players believe that they can study AND find enough time to practice. One example is Mario Ancic. Although he's not Asian, he's a part-time law student and so far, he's still sitting around the world's top 70 whereas he clearly has the talent to be in the top 20. So it's no surprise that the time he spends on hitting the law books is putting a dent on his tennis.

kku
Oct 4th, 2003, 12:37 PM
Btw, shouldn't this thread be in the "Asian" section?

wongqks
Oct 4th, 2003, 12:51 PM
thanks kku, i think it is good to put in GM, coz it maybe interesting for people who don't visiti the asian forum

fammmmedspin
Oct 4th, 2003, 02:28 PM
The same question was asked about the Chinese gymnasts and athletes 10 years ago. Great strides were made but you still see the majority of medals going to Russians, Romanians, Bulgarians, Europeans, black Americans and Africans after more than 10 years. You can be a great tennis player with Date's build or Henin's but the East European/Russian body arguably looks as if it was designed to do well at 21c tennis. Its probably a mixture of build and tradition too - you just have to look at where Kim, Justine, Steffi, Monica, Martina 1 and 2 and lesser lights like Jelena or Anke or Sukova come from geographically to see that some areas seem to have tennis in the blood more. You never know though - if tennis became more popular in Africa or China you might see potential talent becoming real

GoGoMaggie
Oct 4th, 2003, 02:36 PM
I don't think that'll happen anytime soon. There is no doubt that the Chinese government has put a lot of time and money into developing sport talents in China. But like Wongqks said, there are currently not enough physically developed Chinese tennis talents to knock the Western world from dominating the sport. And it's not like the Americans/Europeans are falling behind as well. China has yet to host an established big-name tournament - another sign of its infancy in the tennis world. And population doesn't mean much as well. Japan has over 125 million people, but most of the country's focus is on baseball and soccer, whereas tennis is pretty much neglected ever since Date left the scene *sigh*.

Money doesn't mean everything. Sure, the Chinese government are pumping a lot into the sport, but whether enough people are interested in putting that money to good use (i.e. a significant proportion love tennis enough).

But I don't think it's the physicality which handicapped Asian players from challenging the West. Chang and Date showed that court mobility and accuracy can very well make up for what they lack in size. I think it's 1) sponsers who are dedicated enough to staying behind the players and support a long career and 2) the asian emphasis on education takes a lot of potential practice time for players in developing their skills. About 99% of Asian players study and play tennis before debuting in the professional tour. Martina Hingis needed to practice an average of 5-6 hours a day on court. I suppose anything less than that won't guarantee a place in the top of the tennis league. After all, those in the business world work around 10 hours or more each day in order to try and move up the ladder, and tennis IS a profession, so it's expected that to be the best, tennis players have to dedicate a lot of practice time to honing their skills. I think that Asian players believe that they can study AND find enough time to practice. One example is Mario Ancic. Although he's not Asian, he's a part-time law student and so far, he's still sitting around the world's top 70 whereas he clearly has the talent to be in the top 20. So it's no surprise that the time he spends on hitting the law books is putting a dent on his tennis.


Well.. tennis is becoming really popular here again and this time among "young ppl" in big part thanks to this manga "Prince of Tennis". Now my high school has the biggest number of members in its tennis club of all and the same thing is happening in many other high schools. There used to be less then half students who played tennis and now despite the declining number of children, more kids are taking up the sport. I think this is a great sign and I only hope some of them will develop into world class players. I think more high school kids play tennis then baseball or soccer these days here. I don't know how long the trend will last cuz a lot of trends in Japan are quite short lived always.

SJW
Oct 4th, 2003, 02:44 PM
ummmm.....i doubt it

like TBE said....it's going East....but i think the only Eastern country that can dominate tennis is Russia

you maybe will get a few good players, but as far as domination.....no

TheBoiledEgg
Oct 4th, 2003, 02:46 PM
Jie Zheng will be Top 100 next week
either 98 or 99 depends on CM-Granados in Girona.

Experimentee
Oct 4th, 2003, 02:54 PM
I dont think they will dominate tennis but definitely there can be lots of great players. Already we are seeing great improvement from the likes of Zheng, Yan and Sun, there are also a few good junior players.
I think Chinese players dont tend to start as early as Europeans, and also dont play as many tournaments so they will take longer to develop. Also a lot of them prefer to focus on their education first. But when they do start playing a lot theres no reason why they cant be great. I dont think physical size will be that much of a barrier, as we can see Sugiyama is doing very well and shes small. Justine shows you can be small and still a top player. And some Chinese are quite big, like that basketball player thats like 7ft tall, also theres those Chinese swimmers that were busted for doping, even if they werent on drugs you can see they'd be quite big naturally. So i think theres definitely a huge amount of potential there.

Cybelle Darkholme
Oct 4th, 2003, 03:04 PM
We have the biggest population in the world and naturally have the most talents of all. We're still underdevelopped tennis wise but are growing at the fastest rate ever. Wish more advanced facilities, experienced staff, we can ver well dominate this sport in the not too far future. We didn't see so many top 200 players just five years ago and now we have like quite a few. I think the 2010s will be our era.
:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

Fantastic
Oct 4th, 2003, 03:08 PM
Traditionally, the Chinese have never had any really great tennis players. The Russians had a handful of good players in the past, namely Olga Morozova and Natasha Zvereva, but there wasn't any real depth in the ranks until recently. I don't think it's unthinkable that a group of young Chinese girls may be sorted from the rest and groomed for tennis greatness. If it's going to happen, the grand plan is already underway.

kku
Oct 4th, 2003, 03:17 PM
:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

I'm confused... :confused:

What's so funny?

Oh, and your sig ;) :worship: :hearts:

CamilleVidann
Oct 4th, 2003, 03:22 PM
kku don't even care. He's a phycho.
By the way, I'm chairperson of the AWA.

kku
Oct 4th, 2003, 03:24 PM
kku don't even care. He's a phycho.
By the way, I'm chairperson of the AWA.

What's AWA? :confused: :confused: :confused:

alexusjonesfan
Oct 4th, 2003, 03:25 PM
I don't think the education thing is that significant to the ethnicities of the players. Education may seem significant now since I'm guessing tennis is an expensive sport to play and train for in China and well-heeled families would want their children to have a good education and a chance of having a fallback career. Nevertheless, I don't think other athletes like olympic gymnasts, divers, swimmers etc. feel that they have to juggle higher education with a profession in athletics. If the support structure for tennis was made similar to those sports on a national level, players would be more willing to devote all their time to a career in tennis. Education is also a big priority in Indian culture but the elite cricket players there are often barely more than high-school grads understandably since they've spent their time training for a career in athletics. The athletes are treated like gods despite many of their fans being much more educated ;)

TheBoiledEgg
Oct 4th, 2003, 03:25 PM
forget her, she's just ignorant.

CamilleVidann
Oct 4th, 2003, 03:26 PM
What's AWA? :confused: :confused: :confused:

Don't make me bother to answer such an obvious question...
Let's say.. that stands for Anti-"War" Association hehe

Steveg
Oct 4th, 2003, 07:48 PM
Jie Zheng will be Top 100 next week
either 98 or 99 depends on CM-Granados in Girona.
Yep :D . And Zi is breaking the top 200. She should be in the top 180 next week or close to it.

Tian-Tian should be close to the top 140.

Regarding physical limitations, Tian-Tian is 1.75 which I assume is alright and Zi is 1.70. Jie is the "smallest" of the 3 with 1.64m but she also has the best results ;) . She is around the same size as Ai :angel: .

Regarding studies, I am not too certain if these three ones study a lot but they sure spend as much time on court as any other pro in the circuit.

Regarding age at which they started tennis, it is not as early as some European players but still OK. The 3 players above started between 6 and 8 (6 for Zi and 8 for Tian-Tian). On another hand, the Chinese players are less prone to injuries :
- Jie : no W.O. / Ret. in singles on the international circuit until her R1 a couple of weeks ago in Shanghai against Jill Craybas. She went on to reach the Tokyo SF after.
- Tian-Tian : no W.O. / Ret. in singles on the international circuit
- Zi : no W.O. / Ret. in singles on the international circuit

I hope it will continue this way, in spite of their now heavier schedule.

persond
Oct 4th, 2003, 11:48 PM
Emphatically, NO...!!! "Nuff said...!!!

CamilleVidann
Oct 28th, 2003, 01:26 PM
persond you seem to have a problem with us Chinese. Tell me what kinda bad experiences you have had with Chinese ppl before? Your hate for us is so visibly obvious that I just couldn't help bringing up this question knowing it sounds a bit silly.

kim4eva
Oct 28th, 2003, 01:31 PM
We have the biggest population in the world and naturally have the most talents of all. We're still underdevelopped tennis wise but are growing at the fastest rate ever. Wish more advanced facilities, experienced staff, we can ver well dominate this sport in the not too far future. We didn't see so many top 200 players just five years ago and now we have like quite a few. I think the 2010s will be our era.

I don't think that's very much possible. I live in Hong Kong, which is basically a part of China...and not much young kids really play tennis. So it'll be quite hard to find talents here...but even if they do play tennis, the parents are too stressed about their schooling...they wouldn't take much time out to focus on it. I reckon tennis is not a popular sport here...there's hardly any tv coverage in hk...not to mention China :o

Cam'ron Giles
Oct 28th, 2003, 01:37 PM
:tape:

G_Slammed
Oct 28th, 2003, 02:02 PM
Ten years from now you certainly should be dominating in the tennis ball and funky sweaty towel fetchers sport.

Best of luck... go for the gold.