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AUSBOY
Sep 1st, 2003, 04:09 AM
AUSTRALIAN TOP 20 - As of August 25

WOMEN
1.Alicia Molik [SA] 44 (38 next week)
2.Nicole Pratt [QLD] 57 (48 next week)
3.Evie Dominikovic [NSW] 115
4.Samantha Stosur [QLD] 142 (130's next week)
5.Christina Wheeler [VIC] 171 (160's next week)
6.Rachel McQuillan [NSW] 203
7.Lauren Breadmore [VIC] 255
8.Amanda Grahame [ACT] 281
9.Lisa McShea [QLD] 284
10.Casey Dellacqua [WA] 305
11.Monique Adamczak [NSW] 335
12.Mireille Dittmann [VIC] 337
13.Bryanne Stewart [NSW] 385
14.Trudi Musgrave [NSW] 388
15.Cindy Watson [VIC] 425
16.Gabrielle Baker [QLD] 467
17.Beti Sekulovski [VIC] 469
18.Adriana Szili [SA] 500
19.Kristen Van Elden [Vic] 502
20.Christina Horiatopoulos [NSW] 507

MEN

1.Lleyton Hewitt [SA] 6
2.Mark Philippoussis [VIC] 20
3.Scott Draper [QLD] 111
4.Wayne Arthurs [VIC] 118
5.Todd Larkham [ACT] 137
6.Peter Luczak [VIC] 146
7.Paul Baccanello [SA] 151
8.Joe Sirianni [VIC] 217
9.Todd Reid [NSW] 264
10.Alun Jones [ACT] 277
11.Jaymon Crabb [WA] 295
12.Luke Bourgeois [NSW] 316
13.Andrew Ilie [VIC] 371
14. Adam Kennedy [NSW] 417
15.Ryan Henry [NSW] 436
16. Domenic Marafiote [SA] 481
17.Chris Guccione [VIC] 483
18. Jay Gooding [Qld] 558
19.Mark Hlawaty [WA] 592
20.Shannon Nettle [SA] 609

2 men in the top 20 and 2 women in the top 50 as of next week and thats all that in the top 100!

The men at least have some young and up coming players. The women have hardly any!

Gowza
Sep 1st, 2003, 04:38 AM
it is a pretty sad and sorry state. but like with the women some of the men haven't really fullfilled their potential. players like reid (i know he's young but he should at least be in the top 200 by now), alun jones was expected to be one of the players to take over when rafter left and then eventually scud. and he fell short and went backwards. crabb can play really good tennis and has the ability to be top 100 but for some reason hasn't got there. illie well he was there why isn't he anymore? henry is a good young player and so is guccione, they haven't had much time to get in the top 100 yet.

azza is pissed
Sep 1st, 2003, 04:59 AM
1.Lleyton Hewitt [SA] 6
2.Mark Philippoussis [VIC] 20
3.Scott Draper [QLD] 111
4.Wayne Arthurs [VIC] 118

:o

broncosven
Sep 1st, 2003, 06:18 AM
We have already discussed this before

I can tell u that Ilie got injured as has Jones and Crabb :sad:

Our players suffer from

* exposure
* experience
* appearance vs reality
* work ethic
* junior transition (more in girls then guys)

i doubt we will pull out of this slump for some time, we are able to get people around the 200 mark but then they fall back. WE NEED MORE TOURNIES AROUND AUSSIE AND NZ!!!

Lets hope the aussie season coming up brings a change of luck :drool:

azza is pissed
Sep 1st, 2003, 07:03 AM
Guccione and Nicole Kriz are up and commers but Nicole please lsoe some wait :o

azza is pissed
Sep 1st, 2003, 01:13 PM
Wayne :o was in the 50s a few months ago now 118th :o

VAMOS DRAPER :kiss:

Fantastic
Sep 1st, 2003, 02:50 PM
It's the best the women have done in a few years.

The men have seen better days though.

azza1
Sep 2nd, 2003, 05:01 AM
it will get better :kiss:

AUSBOY
Sep 2nd, 2003, 06:36 AM
It's the best the women have done in a few years.

The men have seen better days though.

There is no depth though, thats the whole point. Sure its fantastic that we have 2 top 50 female players but there is no one else anywhere near them ranking wise.

azza1
Sep 2nd, 2003, 06:41 AM
with Pratty 30 and her attiute to fight in all matches hopefully she will still be playing in 2005 hopefully by 2005 sam will be in top 100 Evie in top 100 and christina in top 120

louloubelle
Sep 2nd, 2003, 08:38 AM
Can't see this getting much better ever! We may have to satisfy ourselves with only having 1 or 2 women in the top 100. Until we establish camps overseas, individualised coaching and investing money into players that have talent (not because the are no. 1's in their Australia age group) then it will stay like this.
The key is money, but what is Tennis Aus return by doing this? Some great publicity but they probably don't think it's worth it!

SM
Sep 2nd, 2003, 03:09 PM
i spoke to some juniors at a local ITF and they wish we had much more juniors events here. Unlike senior players who can afford to travel overseas and have developed, the juniors lack funds/sponsorhip and need the exposure at ITF level to develop.

SM
Sep 2nd, 2003, 03:11 PM
so obviously its not feasible for alot of talented juniors to get to play enough overseas :(, and the thing is as someone mentioned the no.1 ranked playa in the National ranks isnt necessarily the most talented but theyll get more support by TA....its screening out alot of potential top players from the opportunity to develop

AUSBOY
Sep 3rd, 2003, 12:41 AM
i spoke to some juniors at a local ITF and they wish we had much more juniors events here. Unlike senior players who can afford to travel overseas and have developed, the juniors lack funds/sponsorhip and need the exposure at ITF level to develop.

Senior players can afford to travel overseas???? Since when?? How is it any different?? If your not ranked in the top 200 and didnt receive a wildcard into the Australian Open its a huge strain financially to travel!

Mireille Dittmann had $235 prizemoney after the Australian Open/Aussie Circuit, thats not even enough for a plane ticket!

Players like Breadmore, Grahame and Hewitt are only still round because they have wealthy parents and McShea/Musgrave live comfrotably from doubles whilst Sewell/Stone/Dittmann scrape by only just from their doubles prizemoney, sponsorships and money they make from coaching and even then they still need financial help at times from their families.

To play a full season, you need to earn around $US20K to cover costs!

You look at players like Van Elden. Its been a hugely difficult financially for her to keep playing. I know for a fact that her brother who is sponsored and playing in the US brings home as many racquets as he can carry on the plane (as he gets them for free) and then flogs them all back in Australia just to make some money to pay for some of his travelling expenses.

Stop thinking our juniors do it so tough! All their trips are paid for by Tennis Australia, they dont have to outlay any money whatsoever if they are selected to play in Junior Grand Slams, Orange Bowl etc.

Its the senior players that have the financial strain not the juniors!!

I agree that the Australian juniors dont get enough exposure to tougher overseas competition. But there are logical ways of getting around this without having to spend a fortune on sending players overseas. Certainly with our junior girls its easy. Just have them train with State Grade-Grade 1 mens pennant players, they will hit harder and play better than almost all female players ranked 100 or below, and at junior level that should be sufficient! With the junior boys its a little harder, maybe organise more training sessions/matches with Ranked players when they are home in Australia. Also Tennis Australia seems to send a lot of Juniors into Asia to play, surely it would be wiser to send them into US or Europe as the competition is a lot tougher!

SM
Sep 3rd, 2003, 04:31 AM
good points, BUT its a different ball game having the junior girls hit with those guys as opposed to actually playing matches against top international players in 'real' ITF matches.

I still think its a better policy to invest more in juniors than mediocre senior players. There may be a few big talents who need some nurturing in the juniors whereas the senior players who are like 24 years old arent gonna improve too much more.

louloubelle
Sep 3rd, 2003, 05:03 AM
good points, BUT its a different ball game having the junior girls hit with those guys as opposed to actually playing matches against top international players in 'real' ITF matches.

I still think its a better policy to invest more in juniors than mediocre senior players. There may be a few big talents who need some nurturing in the juniors whereas the senior players who are like 24 years old arent gonna improve too much more.

Exactly. Many of the girls hit an OK ball, but lack the ability to construct a point, decent shot selection and the ability to know when to play consistent and when to be agressive. These skills develop through tough matches, overseas, against players you have no idea about. Tough training helps, but matches makes you react under pressure and makes you realise whether you have what it takes to make it on the tour.

As for supporting players. Tennis Australia isn't a charity. There's not much money to go around as it is and our players must realise to make it in tennis they'll probably need to be self-sufficient not rely on hand-outs.

Vicky88
Sep 4th, 2003, 08:04 PM
There is no such thing as an entitlement to anything. Maybe if some of these players would put in a bit more of an effort things would come to them. As a taxpayer, how much money do I want to see the government continue to pump into sports, a la AIS?? The most important thing in life is not winning some sporting event.

Also doesn't TA offer financial incentives to those who improve their rankings?