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Instant
Jul 30th, 2003, 10:34 AM
I know Kim Clijsters will not be the first person to hold down the number 1 in singles and doubles at the same time (Navratilova/Sanchez/Hingis come to mind)

There is a big chance Kim can take over as both Number 1's this week. Will she be the first player ever to spend her first week as the number 1 singles player in the world at the very same time she spends her first week as the number 1 doubles player in the world?

BasicTennis
Jul 30th, 2003, 10:35 AM
at the rate she's going, it is possible.;)

Dava
Jul 30th, 2003, 10:36 AM
You know this is probably the last thing on her mind.

Gowza
Jul 30th, 2003, 10:38 AM
what about being the 1st #1 without winning a grand slam first? or has that been done before?

great smash
Jul 30th, 2003, 10:38 AM
I know Kim Clijsters will not be the first person to hold down the number 1 in singles and doubles at the same time (Navratilova/Sanchez/Hingis come to mind)

There is a big chance Kim can take over as both Number 1's this week. Will she be the first player ever to spend her first week as the number 1 singles player in the world at the very same time she spends her first week as the number 1 doubles player in the world?

Not too likely I'd say.
Not only does she need to win the tournament. Also her oppontents have to be Sugiyama/Davenport/Henin-Hardenne. No other combination can give her the no. 1 spot

BasicTennis
Jul 30th, 2003, 10:42 AM
what about being the 1st #1 without winning a grand slam first? or has that been done before?
sorry, Marcelo Rios owns that record. :p

Gowza
Jul 30th, 2003, 10:43 AM
what about in womens tennis?

great smash
Jul 30th, 2003, 10:44 AM
I have to correct myself:

She will not be ranked no. 1 in singles next week. The maximum points she can earn from now on by winning the tournament would give her 6060 points in the rankings, equalizing Serena's total, which would still leave her at 2, as she played more tournaments.

Dava
Jul 30th, 2003, 10:44 AM
what about being the 1st #1 without winning a grand slam first? or has that been done before?

Marcelos rios, but no woman has done that. There have only been like 7 world number ones ever in the womens game anyway.

Dava
Jul 30th, 2003, 10:45 AM
I have to correct myself:

She will not be ranked no. 1 in singles next week. The maximum points she can earn from now on by winning the tournament would give her 6060 points in the rankings, equalizing Serena's total, which would still leave her at 2, as she played more tournaments.

Yes but it will practically give her the number one spot, as Serena has pulled out of the LA tournament.

great smash
Jul 30th, 2003, 10:48 AM
Yes but it will practically give her the number one spot, as Serena has pulled out of the LA tournament.

Of course she's no. 1 bound, it just won't be happening next week just yet.

kimclijsters4ever
Jul 30th, 2003, 12:17 PM
I have to correct myself:

She will not be ranked no. 1 in singles next week. The maximum points she can earn from now on by winning the tournament would give her 6060 points in the rankings, equalizing Serena's total, which would still leave her at 2, as she played more tournaments.

Maybe I could be wrong but I calculated she will have just 1 single point more

ans
Jul 30th, 2003, 12:24 PM
It's all over the newspapers in Belgium. If kim defeats Sugi-Davenport-Henin, she will be number one, unless the reporters can't calculate.

great smash
Jul 30th, 2003, 12:26 PM
It's all over the newspapers in Belgium. If kim defeats Sugi-Davenport-Henin, she will be number one, unless the reporters can't calculate.

It's the newspapers that are wrong. That combination could have worked if she would have met (and beaten) Shaugnessy in the third round. Now that she's out and Kim (should she make it) will meet Bartoli, it's not going to bring her enough bonus points.

You should know better and not trust the newspaper journalists, there are far more reliable sources here on the board.

Mattographer
Jul 30th, 2003, 12:27 PM
Kim have to defend her Doubles title next week at Los Angeles with Jelena Dokic last year.

great smash
Jul 30th, 2003, 12:30 PM
Kim have to defend her Doubles title next week at Los Angeles with Jelena Dokic last year.

I know but being no. 1 for one week next week is still a definite possibility. Furthermore Virginia, Paola and Ai have a win/final respectively to defend in Canada, so Kim could regain the spot after the Canadian open.

nicky
Jul 30th, 2003, 12:32 PM
It's the newspapers that are wrong. That combination could have worked if she would have met (and beaten) Shaugnessy in the third round. Now that she's out and Kim (should she make it) will meet Bartoli, it's not going to bring her enough bonus points.

You should know better and not trust the newspaper journalists, there are far more reliable sources here on the board.

In defense of those poor journalists: Shaugnessy was beaten after their articles were written... ;) :)

great smash
Jul 30th, 2003, 12:34 PM
In defense of those poor journalists: Shaugnessy was beaten after their articles were written... ;) :)

Though a no. 1 is pretty certain in the near future, getting to no.1 next week was a possibility subject to so many if's that they at least should have been mentionned.

gentenaire
Jul 30th, 2003, 12:35 PM
what about being the 1st #1 without winning a grand slam first? or has that been done before?

But Lindsay Davenport and Martina Hingis have both been World Number #1s despite winning a grand slam in that year. Lindsay ended 2001 ranked #1, she didn't win a slam in 2001. Considering the rankings count one year only, I don't see why Lindsay deserved the #1 ranking in 2001 more than Kim does now.

ans
Jul 30th, 2003, 12:39 PM
It's the newspapers that are wrong. That combination could have worked if she would have met (and beaten) Shaugnessy in the third round. Now that she's out and Kim (should she make it) will meet Bartoli, it's not going to bring her enough bonus points.

You should know better and not trust the newspaper journalists, there are far more reliable sources here on the board.

ok thanx, didn't know that.

kimclijsters4ever
Jul 30th, 2003, 12:54 PM
It's the newspapers that are wrong. That combination could have worked if she would have met (and beaten) Shaugnessy in the third round. Now that she's out and Kim (should she make it) will meet Bartoli, it's not going to bring her enough bonus points.

You should know better and not trust the newspaper journalists, there are far more reliable sources here on the board.

Now

Serena 6060
Kim 5796

First of all Kim will lose her 122 US-Open points this week because this will be her 18th tournament when she gains more points here

So we have

Serena 6060
Kim 5674

That's a gap of 386 pts

What has she to do to have more than 386 points

She has to win the tournament that's for sure but how about who she has to play to gain enough bonuspoints?

1. 220 pts by winning the tournament
2. 8 pts by beating Ruano Pascual in the 2ND Round
3. 8 pts by beating Bartoli in the 3RD Round
4. 35 pts by beating Sugiyama or Martinez in the Quarterfinal
5. 50 pts by beating Davenport in the Semifinal
6. 66 pts by beating Henin-Hardenne in the Final

Total : 387 pts

And 387+5674=6061

So Kim can be number 1 next week.... Or have I made a mistake?

Hagar
Jul 30th, 2003, 01:34 PM
Whatever happens: YOU ROCK KIM!

great smash
Jul 30th, 2003, 01:47 PM
So Kim can be number 1 next week.... Or have I made a mistake?

You didn't. I did make a mistake indeed :o
As things are right now she still might be ranked 1 point ahead of Serena starting next week, but there's an awful lot of conditions.

gentenaire
Jul 30th, 2003, 01:49 PM
In any case, if Kim manages to get 494 points from two tournaments, she's number 1.

Toontje
Jul 30th, 2003, 02:18 PM
The WTA Rankings is the worldwide computer ranking for women’s professional tennis. It’s a ranking system that reflects both a player’s
performance in Tournament play (Round Points) as well as her record against other players (Quality Points). The ranking system is a Fifty-two
week, cumulative system in which the number of Tournament results that comprise a player’s ranking is capped at Seventeen Tournament results for
Singles and Eleven Tournament results for Doubles. The results used to determine the player’s ranking are the Tournaments that have yielded the
player’s highest Ranking (Round and Quality) Points over the past Fifty-two weeks. The rankings determine player acceptances and seeding for all
Tournaments. The WTA Rankings are computed and published weekly by the WTA Tour from its Worldwide Operations office in St. Petersburg,
Florida, USA.

Kim Clijsters

Week of Tournament Points Result Tier
2002-11-04 WTA Championships 750 WON Champ.
2003-05-26 Roland Garros 646 F Grand Slam
2003-03-03 Indian Wells 459 WON I
2003-06-23 Wimbledon 440 SF Grand Slam
2003-01-13 Australian Open 432 SF Grand Slam
2003-05-12 Rome 402 WON I
2002-10-04 Filderstadt, Germany 378 WON II
2003-01-06 Sydney 350 WON II
2003-05-05 Berlin 295 F I
2003-07-21 Stanford 264 WON II
2003-03-17 Miami 235 SF I
2003-02-10 Antwerp 235 F II
2002-09-16 Toyota Princess Cup at Tokyo 210 F II
2003-06-16 's-Hertogenbosch 208 WON III
2002-10-21 Luxembourg 200 WON III
2003-02-24 Scottsdale 170 F II
2002-08-26 U.S. Open 122 4e round Grand Slam
-------------------------------------------------
Total points 17 best tournaments: 5796 points

2002-10-14 Zurich, Switzerland 107 QF I
2002-09-23 Leipzig, Germany 94 SF II
2002-07-29 San Diego, California 93 QF II
2002-08-12 Montreal, Canada 48 3e ronde I
2002-08-05 L. Angeles 1 2e round II


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220 round points when Kim wins the Acura Classic tournament + quality points

66 quality points for Justine
50 quality points for Davenport
35 quality points for Ai Sugi or Martinez
10 quality points Bartoli
8 quality points Ruano Pascual

total 389 points , minus 122 from the US Open last year (17e tournament in points) --> 6063 points or 3 points more then Serena.



greetings


Toontje

Toontje
Jul 30th, 2003, 02:22 PM
Serena normally has to defend 65 points at the JPMorgan Chase Open tournament next week.


greetings

Toontje

Lindsayfan
Jul 30th, 2003, 03:37 PM
maybe Kim will be able to do what lindsay made in 2001: to finish the year as n.1 in the world with 7 wta titles and without a Slam...

bandabou
Jul 30th, 2003, 03:41 PM
Uhum.....Kim the next Lindsay. At least she moves better! :lol:

Kim´s having a pretty good season so far.....too bad, she isn´t winning the BIGGIES, that is what´s making her look like Hingis.

"Topaz"
Jul 30th, 2003, 03:59 PM
220 round points when Kim wins the Acura Classic tournament + quality points

66 quality points for Justine
50 quality points for Davenport
35 quality points for Ai Sugi or Martinez
10 quality points Bartoli
8 quality points Ruano Pascual

total 389 points , minus 122 from the US Open last year (17e tournament in points) --> 6063 points or 3 points more then Serena.
I second that.
We shall soon see if that materializes, as it takes the contributions of many players. Kim will have a better chance next week.

Filip!
Jul 30th, 2003, 04:08 PM
Uhum.....Kim the next Lindsay. At least she moves better! :lol:

Kim´s having a pretty good season so far.....too bad, she isn´t winning the BIGGIES, that is what´s making her look like Hingis.

Just a reminder:
- she won the WTA Tour Championships
- she played a grand slam final and two grand slam semis
- her wins this year include Tier I & II

The tournaments she's defending:
* 7/07/2003: Stanford
* 21/06/2003: Rosmalen
* 18/05/2003: Rome
* 16/03/2003: Indian Wells
* 11/01/2003: Sydney
* 11/11/2002: Tour Championships
* 27/10/2002: Luxemburg
* 13/10/2002: Filderstadt

Toontje
Jul 30th, 2003, 04:16 PM
Kim most play the final against Justine to get enough quality points, also against Davenport in the semi and against Ai Sugi or Martinez in QF

greetings

Toontje :)

Toontje
Jul 30th, 2003, 04:18 PM
Kim Clijsters (BEL)
2003 Singles Activity

Sydney, Australia
January 06, 2003
Surface: Hardcourt
Round Opponent W/L Score
R32 Bye
R16 Patty Schnyder (SUI) W 6-1 6-3
QF Chanda Rubin (USA) W 6-1 6-2
SF Justine Henin-Hardenne (BEL) W 6-2 6-3
F Lindsay Davenport (USA) W 6-4 6-3
Win/Loss: 4/0
Australian Open at Melbourne, Australia
January 13, 2003
Surface: Hardcourt
Round Opponent W/L Score
R128 Samantha Reeves (USA) W 6-2 6-1
R64 Petra Mandula (HUN) W 6-0 6-0
R32 Tatiana Poutchek (BLR) W 6-2 6-1
R16 Amanda Coetzer (RSA) W 6-3 6-1
QF Anastasia Myskina (RUS) W 6-2 6-4
SF Serena Williams (USA) L 6-4 3-6 5-7
Win/Loss: 9/1
Antwerp, Belgium
February 10, 2003
Surface: Indoor Hardcourt
Round Opponent W/L Score
R32 Bye
R16 Myriam Casanova (SUI) W 6-3 6-2
QF Patty Schnyder (SUI) W 7-5 6-1
SF Justine Henin-Hardenne (BEL) W 6-2 7-6(3)
F Venus Williams (USA) L 2-6 4-6
Win/Loss: 12/2
Scottsdale, USA
February 24, 2003
Surface: Hardcourt
Round Opponent W/L Score
R32 Bye
R16 Cara Black (ZIM) W 6-2 6-3
QF Laura Granville (USA) W 6-3 6-3
SF Meghann Shaughnessy (USA) W 6-3 7-5
F Ai Sugiyama (JPN) L 6-3 5-7 4-6
Win/Loss: 15/3
Indian Wells, California, USA
March 03, 2003
Surface: Hardcourt
Round Opponent W/L Score
R128 Bye
R64 Fabiola Zuluaga (COL) W 6-3 7-5
R32 Francesca Schiavone (ITA) W 7-5 6-4
R16 Nathalie Dechy (FRA) W 6-3 3-6 6-1
QF Chanda Rubin (USA) W 6-2 6-3
SF Conchita Martinez (ESP) W 6-3 6-2
F Lindsay Davenport (USA) W 6-4 7-5
Win/Loss: 21/3
Miami, Florida, USA
March 17, 2003
Surface: Hardcourt
Round Opponent W/L Score
R128 Bye
R64 Yoon Jeong Cho (KOR) W 6-2 6-2
R32 Paola Suarez (ARG) W 6-2 6-2
R16 Anna Pistolesi (ISR) W 6-1 6-1
QF Jelena Dokic (YUG) W 6-2 6-0
SF Serena Williams (USA) L 4-6 2-6
Win/Loss: 25/4
Fed Cup (WG-1R) AUT vs. BEL in Belgium
April 26, 2003
Surface: Indoor Clay
Round Opponent W/L Score
Evelyn Fauth (AUT) W 4-6 6-2 6-2
Patricia Wartusch (AUT) W 6-2 6-2
Win/Loss: 27/4
Berlin, Germany
May 05, 2003
Surface: Clay
Round Opponent W/L Score
R64 Bye
R32 Emilie Loit (FRA) W 6-4 6-2
R16 Fabiola Zuluaga (COL) W 7-5 6-3
QF Daniela Hantuchova (SVK) W 6-0 6-3
SF Jennifer Capriati (USA) W 6-4 6-7(2) 6-4
F Justine Henin-Hardenne (BEL) L 4-6 6-4 5-7
Win/Loss: 31/5
Rome, Italy
May 12, 2003
Surface: Clay
Round Opponent W/L Score
R64 Bye
R32 Virginia Ruano Pascual (ESP) W 6-1 6-0
R16 Cara Black (ZIM) W 6-0 6-3
QF Anastasia Myskina (RUS) W 6-2 6-2
SF Ai Sugiyama (JPN) W 6-3 6-2
F Amelie Mauresmo (FRA) W 3-6 7-6(3) 6-0
Win/Loss: 36/5
Roland Garros at Paris, France
May 26, 2003
Surface: Clay
Round Opponent W/L Score
R128 Amy Frazier (USA) W 6-2 6-0
R64 Marlene Weingartner (GER) W 6-2 6-2
R32 Paola Suarez (ARG) W 6-2 6-1
R16 Magdalena Maleeva (BUL) W 0-6 6-2 6-1
QF Conchita Martinez (ESP) W 6-2 6-1
SF Nadia Petrova (RUS) W 7-5 6-1
F Justine Henin-Hardenne (BEL) L 0-6 4-6
Win/Loss: 42/6
's-Hertogenbosch, The Netherlands
June 16, 2003
Surface: Grass
Round Opponent W/L Score
R32 Bye
R16 Cara Black (ZIM) W 6-4 6-4
QF Tina Pisnik (SLO) W 7-6(4) 7-6(4)
SF Barbara Rittner (GER) W 6-2 6-1
F Justine Henin-Hardenne (BEL) W 6-7(4) 3-0 ret
Win/Loss: 46/6
The Championships at Wimbledon, Great Britain
June 23, 2003
Surface: Grass
Round Opponent W/L Score
R128 Rossana Neffa-De Los Rios (PAR) W 6-0 6-0
R64 Virginie Razzano (FRA) W 6-1 6-3
R32 Samantha Reeves (USA) W 6-1 6-2
R16 Ai Sugiyama (JPN) W 6-3 6-2
QF Silvia Farina Elia (ITA) W 5-7 6-0 6-1
SF Venus Williams (USA) L 6-4 3-6 1-6
Win/Loss: 51/7
Stanford, California, USA
July 21, 2003
Surface: Hardcourt
Round Opponent W/L Score
R32 Bye
R16 Amber Liu (USA) W 6-1 6-1
QF Marie-Gaianeh Mikaelian (SUI) W 4-6 6-0 6-1
SF Francesca Schiavone (ITA) W 6-3 6-2
F Jennifer Capriati (USA) W 4-6 6-4 6-2
Win/Loss: 55/7

Toontje
Jul 30th, 2003, 04:20 PM
Kim Clijsters (BEL)
2003 Doubles Activity


Sydney, Australia
January 06, 2003
Surface: Hardcourt
Partner: Ai Sugiyama (JPN)
Round Opponent W/L Score
R16 Ludmila Cervanova (SVK)
Lubomira Kurhajcova (SVK) W 6-4 6-3
QF Myriam Casanova (SUI)
Evie Dominikovic (AUS) W 6-7(5) 7-6(5) 7-6(6)
SF Elena Dementieva (RUS)
Janette Husarova (SVK) W 4-6 6-2 6-1
F Conchita Martinez (ESP)
Rennae Stubbs (AUS) W 6-3 6-3
Win/Loss: 4/0
Australian Open at Melbourne, Australia
January 13, 2003
Surface: Hardcourt
Partner: Ai Sugiyama (JPN)
Round Opponent W/L Score
R64 Trudi Musgrave (AUS)
Tamarine Tanasugarn (THA) W 6-3 7-5
R32 Amanda Coetzer (RSA)
Jessica Steck (RSA) W 6-2 6-4
R16 Kirstin Freye (GER)
Dragana Zaric (YUG) W 6-1 6-1
QF Serena Williams (USA)
Venus Williams (USA) L 4-6 5-7
Win/Loss: 7/1
Antwerp, Belgium
February 10, 2003
Surface: Indoor Hardcourt
Partner: Ai Sugiyama (JPN)
Round Opponent W/L Score
R16 Vanessa Henke (GER)
Claudine Schaul (LUX) W 6-0 6-0
QF Kristie Boogert (NED)
Magui Serna (ESP) W 6-2 6-1
SF Daja Bedanova (CZE)
Jelena Dokic (YUG) W 6-2 6-0
F Nathalie Dechy (FRA)
Emilie Loit (FRA) W 6-2 6-0
Win/Loss: 11/1
Scottsdale, USA
February 24, 2003
Surface: Hardcourt
Partner: Ai Sugiyama (JPN)
Round Opponent W/L Score
R16 Nannie De Villiers (RSA)
Jessica Steck (RSA) W 6-2 6-0
QF Marissa Irvin (USA)
Alexandra Stevenson (USA) W 6-0 6-3
SF Marion Bartoli (FRA)
Stephanie Cohen-Aloro (FRA) W 7-5 6-0
F Lindsay Davenport (USA)
Lisa Raymond (USA) W 6-1 6-4
Win/Loss: 15/1
Indian Wells, California, USA
March 03, 2003
Surface: Hardcourt
Partner: Ai Sugiyama (JPN)
Round Opponent W/L Score
R32 Martina Muller (GER)
Angelika Roesch (GER) W 6-4 6-0
R16 Silvia Farina Elia (ITA)
Alina Jidkova (RUS) W 6-2 6-3
QF Elena Dementieva (RUS)
Rita Grande (ITA) W 6-4 6-0
SF Virginia Ruano Pascual (ESP)
Paola Suarez (ARG) W 6-1 1-1 ret
F Lindsay Davenport (USA)
Lisa Raymond (USA) L 6-3 4-6 1-6
Win/Loss: 19/2
Miami, Florida, USA
March 17, 2003
Surface: Hardcourt
Partner: Ai Sugiyama (JPN)
Round Opponent W/L Score
R32 Laura Granville (USA)
Sarah Taylor (USA) W 6-2 6-0
R16 Nathalie Dechy (FRA)
Emilie Loit (FRA) W 6-1 6-0
QF Liezel Huber (RSA)
Magdalena Maleeva (BUL) L 4-6 5-5 ret
Win/Loss: 21/3
Berlin, Germany
May 05, 2003
Surface: Clay
Partner: Ai Sugiyama (JPN)
Round Opponent W/L Score
R32 Bye
R16 Caroline Dhenin (FRA)
Rossana Neffa-De Los Rios (PAR) W 6-1 6-0
QF Nathalie Dechy (FRA)
Emilie Loit (FRA) W 6-3 3-6 6-4
SF Janette Husarova (SVK)
Elena Likhovtseva (RUS) W 6-1 6-4
F Virginia Ruano Pascual (ESP)
Paola Suarez (ARG) L 3-6 6-4 4-6
Win/Loss: 24/4
Roland Garros at Paris, France
May 26, 2003
Surface: Clay
Partner: Ai Sugiyama (JPN)
Round Opponent W/L Score
R64 Stephanie Cohen-Aloro (FRA)
Nathalie Tauziat (FRA) W 6-1 6-1
R32 Elena Dementieva (RUS)
Lina Krasnoroutskaya (RUS) W 6-4 6-4
R16 Eleni Daniilidou (GRE)
Rita Grande (ITA) W 6-2 6-0
QF Maja Matevzic (SLO)
Henrieta Nagyova (SVK) W 6-2 7-5
SF Cara Black (ZIM)
Elena Likhovtseva (RUS) W 6-1 6-4
F Virginia Ruano Pascual (ESP)
Paola Suarez (ARG) W 6-7(5) 6-2 9-7
Win/Loss: 30/4
The Championships at Wimbledon, Great Britain
June 23, 2003
Surface: Grass
Partner: Ai Sugiyama (JPN)
Round Opponent W/L Score
R64 Catherine Barclay (AUS)
Rachel McQuillan (AUS) W 6-3 6-1
R32 Ruxandra Dragomir Ilie (ROM)
Andreea Vanc (ROM) W 6-2 6-2
R16 Laura Granville (USA)
Alexandra Stevenson (USA) W 7-5 6-2
QF Svetlana Kuznetsova (RUS)
Martina Navratilova (USA) W 4-6 6-2 6-4
SF Lindsay Davenport (USA)
Lisa Raymond (USA) W 6-1 0-6 6-4
F Virginia Ruano Pascual (ESP)
Paola Suarez (ARG) W 6-4 6-4
Win/Loss: 36/4
San Diego, California, USA
July 28, 2003
Surface: Hardcourt
Partner: Ai Sugiyama (JPN)
Round Opponent W/L Score
R16 Maria Vento-Kabchi (VEN)
Angelique Widjaja (INA) W 6-4 6-1
Win/Loss: 37/4

selesrules
Jul 30th, 2003, 04:24 PM
Is Kim about to rewrite the record books?

If Parche can rewrite the tennis books, then I don't see why Kim can't. :rolleyes: