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alfajeffster
Jul 29th, 2003, 07:04 PM
NOT!!! Can you imagine?

Volcana
Jul 29th, 2003, 07:24 PM
They ought to seed her. I'll bet she's still one of the 32 best.

DA FOREHAND
Jul 29th, 2003, 07:31 PM
LOL NOT. She'd get clobbered, doubt she'd be Alex Stevenson on a fast hardcourt.

i_like_tennis
Jul 29th, 2003, 07:38 PM
u mean 35 and over?....:rolleyes:....

alfajeffster
Jul 29th, 2003, 07:41 PM
She's the best 44 year-old on the tour :-)

Hoytie
Jul 29th, 2003, 08:14 PM
She's the best 44 year-old on the tour :-)
She's the ONLY 44 year-old on the tour.

raquel
Jul 29th, 2003, 08:15 PM
She's the best 44 year-old on the tour :-)
Pretty impressive considering she is 46 :p

alfajeffster
Jul 29th, 2003, 08:18 PM
Really, I thought she was born in 1958- how do they say it nowadays? MY BAD!!! (although I've always asked "my bad what?" in response- this is almost as ridiculous a reply as the "wha happen?" reply when what is really meant is "excuse me?")

hinquit
Jul 29th, 2003, 08:32 PM
No one should tell me that this woman has passion for the game and
playing at the age of 44.
She is lesbian or in usual term homo. She never had a child and earned
$20 million during her tennis career. What has she done with this big
amount of money. She is tennis disgrace, playing at the age of 44 yrs.
and the worst to be considered playing at the forthcoming US Open.

irma
Jul 29th, 2003, 08:39 PM
she had to give half her money to some bitch who used her and then dumped her :o

in the early ninties she said in an interview that money was a reason why she continued to play too but I have no doubt she has passion for tennis too

alfajeffster
Jul 29th, 2003, 08:40 PM
I will say this: Martina Navratilova knows her tennis history, unlike her great rival Evert, who (thankfully) left the commentary booth this year. I have never heard a former player spout wrong statistics so often as when Chris Evert was in the booth at Wimbledon.

raquel
Jul 29th, 2003, 09:01 PM
No one should tell me that this woman has passion for the game and
playing at the age of 44.
Martina does have passion for the game, and she is not playing at 44, she is playing and winning Slams at 46. What a legend :worship:

She is lesbian or in usual term homo.

You say this as if it is something Martina should be ashamed of. Martina was one of the first 'out' athletes and is a role model because of it.

What has she done with this big money

Given to charity and spent some of her hard earned cash on herself I imagine

She is tennis disgrace, playing at the age of 44 yrs.
and the worst to be considered playing at the forthcoming US Open.
:yawn: :yawn:

QUEENLINDSAY
Jul 29th, 2003, 09:06 PM
Is she really playing singles???? I dont believed this!!!!!

griffin
Jul 29th, 2003, 09:09 PM
She is lesbian or in usual term homo.

Gee, thanks for clearing that up. :rolleyes: Git.

If it did happen (QL - can you say "troll"?) it would be less ridiculous than some of the other entries and wildcards. Personally, I don't think she has the stamina to do a tournament's worth of singles matches, but so long as she enjoys competing in doubles, and she can compete in doubles, shut up and let the woman play.

Cybelle Darkholme
Jul 29th, 2003, 09:56 PM
I think wimbledon would have been a better choice if she is contemplating a slam return in singles. Though I think there might be another player out there more deserving of a wild card than martina. Maybe she can play the qualies and try to play herself into the tournament, that would be fair imo.

Go martina!

Mikey
Jul 29th, 2003, 09:57 PM
No one should tell me that this woman has passion for the game and
playing at the age of 44.
She is lesbian or in usual term homo. She never had a child and earned
$20 million during her tennis career. What has she done with this big
amount of money. She is tennis disgrace, playing at the age of 44 yrs.
and the worst to be considered playing at the forthcoming US Open.
Wow. You suck.

Mikey
Jul 29th, 2003, 09:58 PM
Pretty impressive considering she is 46 :p
lol!

Raquel! :wavey: :)

Mikey
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:00 PM
I would love to see her play singles. I saw her at World Team Tennis the other night and she is so amazing - it's just incredible. She could win with anybody it seems like, whether it be mixed doubles or women's doubles (or even men's doubles :p). She just has such a great personality on and off the court, that's it is so nice to see and watch. It would have been cool to watch her stretch Daniela to 3 last year ;)

Jakeev
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:04 PM
No one should tell me that this woman has passion for the game and
playing at the age of 44.
She is lesbian or in usual term homo. She never had a child and earned
$20 million during her tennis career. What has she done with this big
amount of money. She is tennis disgrace, playing at the age of 44 yrs.
and the worst to be considered playing at the forthcoming US Open.


Well hell aren't you the frigid bitch..... :fiery:

Dava
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:05 PM
I actually think she could beat Alex. I could probably beat Alex (well maybe on clay).

Mikey
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:07 PM
lol :lol:

-Sonic-
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:08 PM
Well she beat Panova and took Hantuchova to 3 at Eastbourne last year, so I think she could beat many players, especially ones that aren't the biggest fans of Hardcourts.

But she's not entering. So no real need to speculate.

CondiLicious
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:16 PM
No one should tell me that this woman has passion for the game and
playing at the age of 44.
She is lesbian or in usual term homo.

Yeah those frickin lesbian homo muff lickers :mad: If I was one I'd go kill myself

*jumps off nearby balcony*

hinquit
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:25 PM
I hope I don't offend homo posters. But at least I am able to call
someone who made her sexuality public years back.

CondiLicious
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:26 PM
I hope I don't offend homo posters. But at least I am able to call
someone who made her sexuality public years back.

eh? Why not call her a woman? Cos that's what she is.

alfajeffster
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:29 PM
Yeah those frickin lesbian homo muff lickers :mad: If I was one I'd go kill myself

*jumps off nearby balcony*


LOL!!!! *and bounces off the awning below and straight into the playboy bunny pool at the Heffner mansion*

hinquit
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:38 PM
eh? Why not call her a woman? Cos that's what she is.
Navratilova wouldn't be offended by the wordings of my post only few
homo posters will be I am sure.
I am surprised Glenn has not responded to my post yet.

CondiLicious
Jul 29th, 2003, 10:51 PM
Navratilova wouldn't be offended by the wordings of my post only few
homo posters will be I am sure.
I am surprised Glenn has not responded to my post yet.

MARTINA NAVRATILOVA: Labels, labels, labels... I don't know about you but I hate labels. Martina Navratilova the lesbian tennis player. They don't say Joe Montana the heterosexual football player do they?


So you know... I'm a "homo" and I'm not offended by what you say. I'm sure Martina won't be offended. Like me she will just pity your small brain.

alfajeffster
Jul 29th, 2003, 11:12 PM
MARTINA NAVRATILOVA: Labels, labels, labels... I don't know about you but I hate labels. Martina Navratilova the lesbian tennis player. They don't say Joe Montana the heterosexual football player do they?


So you know... I'm a "homo" and I'm not offended by what you say. I'm sure Martina won't be offended. Like me she will just pity your small brain.

Me either- I think the last time I was offended at the "homo" label, it was 7th grade. We in the gay community have learned to live with it, and at the same time struggle with our intellectual arrogance at times because we've grown up and out of those old societal traps and snares.

hinquit
Jul 29th, 2003, 11:34 PM
Me either- I think the last time I was offended at the "homo" label, it was 7th grade. We in the gay community have learned to live with it, and at the same time struggle with our intellectual arrogance at times because we've grown up and out of those old societal traps and snares.

In a way animals are better than humans.
Because such a culture(homosexuality) doesn't exist among them.
I pity those who even think about it.

alfajeffster
Jul 29th, 2003, 11:37 PM
In a way animals are better than humans.
Because such a culture(homosexuality) doesn't exist among them.
I pity those who even think about it.

Actually, homosexuality isn't a culture at all, and one of the common mistakes most people make when passing judgment is that it's a lifestyle choice, as if we can wake up one morning and choose to be straight. Homosexuality most certainly exists in nature- in many forms, and it's quite common. Before we continue this argument, we have to consider whether humans ARE animals in your mind, now don't we?

fifiricci
Jul 29th, 2003, 11:45 PM
OMG, if its true, she has made a HUGE mistake. Please, what next, Evonne Goolangong making a comeback? No, because she has far too much sense.

Methinks Navrat is pursuing the American Dream to ridiculous extents now. Someone go and rescue her from Planet Zog!!

:scratch:

fifiricci
Jul 29th, 2003, 11:49 PM
BTW, I am heterosexual for the record, but just to let you know that in Greek (which for all you Americans is the oldest civilisation with adequate documentation, sorry, couldnt resist that one :devil: ), there is no word for "homosexuality" because it wasnt recognised.

In ancient greece it was considered quite normal for men to shag eachother down at the gym (as well as having wives and mistresses).

So there we go, it is just all about perception.

alfajeffster
Jul 29th, 2003, 11:56 PM
BTW, I am heterosexual for the record, but just to let you know that in Greek (which for all you Americans is the oldest civilisation with adequate documentation, sorry, couldnt resist that one :devil: ), there is no word for "homosexuality" because it wasnt recognised.

In ancient greece it was considered quite normal for men to shag eachother down at the gym (as well as having wives and mistresses).

So there we go, it is just all about perception.

And anyone who thinks homosexuality doesn't exist in animals has never spent much time watching a flock of pigeons or a family of chimpanzees

Vegetable
Jul 30th, 2003, 03:43 AM
Navratilova did beat Midgette Panova...

That said, even the lumbering cow Stevenson would beat her

disposablehero
Jul 30th, 2003, 04:14 AM
I agree with Volcana. If you seed her 32nd, better than even money she is playing in the third round.

Philbo
Jul 30th, 2003, 04:48 AM
hingquit - Homosexuality DOES exist in many many different animals, its a NATURAL part of life..

Now go back and crawl under your rock you asswipe. I pity you you hateful ****.

CondiLicious
Jul 30th, 2003, 03:58 PM
In a way animals are better than humans.
Because such a culture(homosexuality) doesn't exist among them.
I pity those who even think about it.

Same-Sex Pair Bonding in Animals
Just as in humans, animals often form long-term same-sex relationships. In species in which this normally occurs in heterosexual couples, that shouldn't come as a great surprise, but it does come as a surprise in species where heterosexual pair-bonds don't normally form for long if at all. This is true of bottlenose dolphins, which are not known to form heterosexual pair bonds, but which do in fact form homosexual pair bonds, including sex, and often lasting for life.
In animals in which "bachelor groups" form, such as bison, gazelles, antelope, sage grouse and Guinean cocks-of-the-rock, it is not uncommon for same sex pair bonds to form and last until one or the other member of the pair departs the relationship and breeds. It is also not uncommon for homosexual preference to form among members of such bachelor groups; when offered the opportunity to breed unencumbered with members of the opposite sex or the same sex, they choose the same sex.

The human pattern of bisexuality also appears in animals. In some cases, animals prefer same sex at one point in their lives, and change preference later. They may even change back and forth. In some cases, animals may seek sex with partners of either sex at random.

In animals with a seasonal breeding pattern, homosexuality can even be seasonal. Male walruses, for example, often form homosexual pair bonds and have sex with each other outside of the breeding season, but will revert to a heterosexual pattern during the normal breeding season.


Not At All Unusual
Lest you are tempted to believe that all of this is highly unusual and well out of the ordinary, you're in for quite a surprise. Homosexual behavior is not only common, but even more common in other species than in humans. While numbers are hard to come by, there are a few that present some interesting patterns. In ostriches, male homosexuality is much more common than bisexuality, but among mule deer, bisexuality is more common than homosexuality. Among our closest living relatives, the bonobo chimpanzees, few if any are either exclusively heterosexual or homosexual. Indeed, all that have been observed are exclusively permanently bisexual.

As for numbers, here are a few:
Species percent homosexual percent bisexual percent heterosexual
silver gulls (females) 10 11 79
black headed gulls (both sexes) 22 15 63
Japanese macaques (both sexes) 9 56 35
bonobo chimpanzees (both sexes) 0 100 0
galahs (both sexes) 44 11 44

source: Bruce Bahemihl, Ph.D., Biological Exhuberance: Animal Homosexuality and Natural Diversity, St. Martin's Press, 2000, page 35

The occurence of homosexuality doesn't seem to be correlated with the predominance of a sex within a species. Some species show skewed sex ratios, but among them, homosexuality is not more common than in other species. For example, giant cowbirds and redwing blackbirds show male to female ratios as high as four to one, and in boat-tailed grackles and sparrow hawks, females predominate, but homosexuality has not been demonstrated in either species. Why is a mystery.

Homosexuality in the animal kingdom is an undeniable fact. It is as natural as can be. Since it is so common, it is therefore logical for the opponents of gay rights to try to explain it away.

Trying To Explain Away Animal Homosexuality
"Pseudo-heterosexuality." This is the favorite explanation of gay rights opponents. They claim that homosexuality in animals is the result of a shortage of, or unavailability of, heterosexual mates. There are a number of problems with this hypothesis.
First, in many species with skewed sex ratios, homosexuality is often seen more frequently in the sex which is in shorter supply rather than in the sex with a surplus of individuals.

Second, in some species where homosexual bonds form in a surplus sex, the other sex does not form homosexual bonds when it is in surplus. Humboldt penguins are an example. Males form homosexual bonds when there is a surplus of males, but females do not do so when they are in surplus.

Third, in other species, homosexual mountings occur with the same frequency regardless of whether there is a surplus, and sometimes even more frequently among balanced populations than skewed ones. Indeed, among yellow baboons, between 17% and 24% of younger individuals engage in same-sex mountings, when their sexes are roughly equal in their population, but among older yellow baboons, the males eventually outnumber the females by two-to-one, but homosexual mountings occur in only about 10% of such older individuals

The "deprived of heterosexuality" argument. A variation on the pseudo-heterosexuality argument, this argument postulates that lower ranked males are deprived of the opportunity to mate and therefore turn to other males for sexual satisfaction.

The problem with this argument is that in many species in which harem-guarding occurs, there is no difference between higher ranking males and lower ranking ones as to the frequency of their homosexual mountings. This has been demonstrated in musk oxen, American bison, and New Zealand sea lions among others.

Among female homosexual pairs of Japanese macaques and Hanuman langurs engaging in homosexual behaviors, males approaching the pair may be threatened or even attacked.

When homosexual bonding does occur in the absence of opposite sex pairs, members of such a pair often resist attempts to 'convert' them back into heterosexual relationships. Even when deprived of their bonded partner, white-fronted Amazon parrots will not revert, and long-eared hedgehogs have refused heterosexual partners for as long as two and a half years, much of their natural lifetime. In the case of Stellar's sea eagles and female barn owls, both housed without opposite sexed members of their species, homosexual pair bonds among females were strong enough that when inseminated, they coparented the chicks that resulted.

Homosexual bonds can be tight. Among male rhesus macaques, crab-eating macaques, bottlenosed dolphins, cheetahs and black-headed gulls with homosexual bonded partners, the members of the pair exhibited considerable distress at being separated from their partners. In all cases, the individuals ignored opposite sex partners offered them, and showed considerable joy and exhuberance at the reintroduction of their partners.

The "Mistaken Identity" hypothesis. This one seeks to explain animal homosexuality by claiming that the same sex partner is 'confused' and unable to identify a member of the opposite sex.

The problem here is that in some animals, the difference between sexes are obvious. Vastly different body color, shape or size are an obvious clue, yet in these species, homosexual bonds still form, even when body shape precludes easy homosexual mounting.

Another problem with this hypothesis is the fact that homosexual couples often engage in very different courtship rituals than do heterosexual couples. If it were a case of mistaken identity, how would this happen? In the case of bisexual animals, it has been seen that one set of courtship rituals are used by the same individual when courting homosexual versus heterosexual partners. This would not happen if the problem were a case of mistaken identity.

The "Gross Abnormalities of Behavior" hypothesis. The assumption here is that the behavior is a manifestation of a disease process.

Scientists looking into this hypothesis often examine animals for genital abnormalities, on the assumption that there is some kind of hormonal imbalance. The fact is that they rarely ever find abnormalities, never with enough frequency for it to be statistically meaningful. That's because of the mistaken assumption by some scientists that homosexuality is some sort of hermaphroditic condition. It's not, and that's why they never find what they're looking for.

If homosexuality were a manifestation of a disease process, why is homosexuality observed in roughly the same degree in captive populations versus wild populations, or in diverse wild populations? Whatever would be causing the disease cannot be equally present in all cases, both in the field and in the wild, so differences in occurrence should show up. But they rarely do. Why?

The "population control" hypothesis. The problem with this one is that field observations directly counter it. It has been observed in ochre-bellied flycatchers and ruffed grouse populations among others, that even when opposite sex partners, territories and breeding grounds are all available, some individuals still form homosexual bonds, and the ratio by which they do rarely differs even when the population is under stress.

Something's Not Quite Right At The Zoo
Critics of this research like to point out that if homosexuality actually existed in animals, it would have been observed in zoos. Well, it has been, and for as long as zoos have been kept.
Zoo keepers who have observed this behavior historically ascribed it to the presence of stressors that exist in zoos that are not present in the wild. That was always the assumption. Such factors as same-sex isolation. Lack of stimulating activities. Unnatural living quarters. Unnatural diet. Then when field reports of similar behaviors started coming in, the existence of homosexuality in animals became to great to ignore. Today, animal behaviorists are unanimous in accepting the fact of animal homosexuality.

Conclusion
There's clearly a wide range of homosexual behaviors in the animal kingdom. It's widespread, common and impossible to deny or explain away any longer. Homosexuality is natural as green grass in summer, and it's high time we accepted that fact.
The birds do it. It's been described in 130 species of birds. The southeastern blueberry bees do it. Same sex pairs of animals kiss and caress each other with obvious affection and tenderness. Male pairs and female pairs form long-lasting pair-bonds and reject, threaten, even fight off potential opposite sex partners when they are presented with them. Same sex partners engage in almost every conceivable means of sexual expression throughout the animal kingdom.

It's high time we quit criminalizing something that is so normal, so natural, so harmless and so common among animals and recognize that what we call "sodomy" is really quite natural after all.

We're animals. And being animals, we should quit trying to pretend that we're not. What we call a "crime against nature" isn't unnatural, and it shouldn't be a crime

:)

irma
Jul 30th, 2003, 04:00 PM
yeah homosexual excists in "animal" world

watch southpark;)

alfajeffster
Jul 30th, 2003, 04:04 PM
:)

Thank you for being who you are. That was most refreshing, and I offer you blessings for having shared that in this tennis space. Hopefully it will serve to educate, as well as stimulate further conversation about homosexuality and its effect and influence on tennis, both in the WTA and the ATP.

CondiLicious
Jul 30th, 2003, 05:01 PM
Thank you for being who you are. That was most refreshing, and I offer you blessings for having shared that in this tennis space. Hopefully it will serve to educate, as well as stimulate further conversation about homosexuality and its effect and influence on tennis, both in the WTA and the ATP.

Good thing I had it saved on my computer. I was doing a psychology project on animal behavior and that was from a web page that has really helped me.

Anyway, glad to help.

brunof
Jul 30th, 2003, 05:43 PM
:rolleyes:

" In a way animals are better than humans.
Because such a culture(homosexuality) doesn't exist among them.
I pity those who even think about it."

LMAO. Oh you crack me up. I know that my male guppies will try to mate with eachother when no females are around. My 2 female Angelfish will spawn with eachother. My female dog humps other bitches.


BEWARE! US HOMOSEXUALS ARE ALL AROUND. LITERALLY! ;) :angel:

CondiLicious
Jul 30th, 2003, 05:54 PM
My female dog humps other bitches.


BEWARE! US HOMOSEXUALS ARE ALL AROUND. LITERALLY! ;) :angel:

So does mine. But she's big into masturbation too... She's a female and she humps cushions just as if she was a male dog.

irma
Jul 30th, 2003, 05:58 PM
yeah my brother has a lesbian dog too :o

CondiLicious
Jul 30th, 2003, 06:06 PM
yeah my brother has a lesbian dog too :o

So she's a lesbian bitch???

irma
Jul 30th, 2003, 06:10 PM
yep she is;)