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Martian Mel
Jan 29th, 2002, 08:29 PM
Seems to me that almost every Venusfan likes Serena also ,and vice versa

Same with The spicegirls :Almost every Hingian likes Anna ,and vice versa

Is this true ? Or am i wrong?Come in here and share your thoughts!

Well i'm a true Hingian but I just LOVE the spicegirls and that's why Anna became my second fav (although she doesn't even comes close at Martina )

Luv ya Martina!
Luv ya spicegirls!

Zamboni
Jan 29th, 2002, 08:41 PM
Hingis is one of my #1 favs, but yeah I like Anna too.
First because I thought it was so unfair that everyone was always attacking her for nothing, and then she started playing doubles with Marti :) even better! ;)

Nice question btw

Aloysius
Jan 29th, 2002, 08:42 PM
Generally, that might be true, but I'm sure there are a few who don't necessarily like both.

But I have to admit that I used to dislike Anna a little. I liked the way she played, but when she was younger, she seemed like such a snob and a little bitch by the way she treated her peers. And even Martina didn't have many good things to say about her then. But then when Martina and Anna became friends, I thought, well, if Martina likes her enough to be her friend then Anna can't be all that bad. She does play a good game and she seems much more reserved than when she was a junior. Thus, I like her now.

I'm not the biggest Williams fan. But I do like Venus and I like watching her play. Her personality is great. I don't like Serena as much. In fact, not at all. Venus is the goddess.

Bright Red
Jan 29th, 2002, 09:12 PM
I'm beginning to not mind Hingis since the AO. Before the AO I was sort of happy to see her going down in the ranks and getting beat by the other players because she seemed too cocky when she was on top. I found myself actually rooting for Martina during this year's AO final and after seeing the heartbreaking loss after holding match point, I am beginning to not mind her at all. I don't care for Anna at all. She appears to be a brat and arrogant. She's not a bad tennis player nor is she a particularly good player when compared to most of the Top 20. Besides, I don't like the fact that she makes money off of her looks and tries to associate with a great tennis player (Hingis) just so she can at least win a doubles match. I think that Hingis skill as a tennis player is the biggest reason Anna associates with her. Anna does not seem to be sincere.

I love both of the Williamses. I think they're great both on and off the court. I especially ove how Venus can go in and just steamroll her opponents and then gracefully praise them after the match. I'm always thinking -- Yeah right, Venus, you crushed her and yet you say she played a great match.-- I love Venus, she is 100% class. I like Serena for different reasons. She does often steamroll her opponents but her play is a bit too spotty for my stomach. I swear I am growing grey hair over watching Serena play. Serena steals my heart with her passion and she shows all of the emotion that Venus doesn't. I think that Serena would make a really good friend and she'd be a blast to hang around.

sartrista7
Jan 29th, 2002, 10:04 PM
Well, I love Venus but not Serena, and Anna but not Martina :p but then it's probably just me being wilfully perverse.

Seriously, I love Venus just because she has so much charisma and personality. Her interviews and press conferences are always fun to read (which is a rarity, to put it mildly), she always looks stunning - in every sense of the word - on court, and since she became a champion she's been unbelievably mature and respectful, always with something nice to say about her opponent. Especially when her opponent's an up and coming player - Lenka Dlhopolcova at the US Open, Daniela at Oz. And before she was a champion, she was totally arrogant - which is, imo, just as attractive. But she's always herself. And she's one of the few people who are physically compelling, who just look amazing, but not through sex appeal - she transcends it.

I love Anna mainly because of sex appeal though :p - hey, I like Marat for the same reason so it must be OK. And frankly I don't care about Anna's attitude. I do love her game as well though - she has wonderful finesse when she's on.

Serena - I'm ambivalent about. Her muscles scare me slightly, she's not as gracious as Venus but has none of the arrogant self-confidence Venus used to have, and she misuses the word 'hypochondriac' badly. Don't dislike her at all.

Martina - well, I've never been a fan, but I was pulling for her in the Oz final and after that, I'll probably support her a lot more. The game needs her, she's good to watch, and it's horrible to see someone suffering liek she did.

Nan Cu
Jan 29th, 2002, 10:42 PM
I like Venus over all the WTA players, sometimes she gets me mad, but I can't help but love her.

Serena I don't like so much. One, because of her mental weakness/choking, and two because of her grunting.

Martina Hingis...I don't know. She's just as cocky and immature as when she was a teenager. Sure, some of you may be fooled these day (with the many whippings she gets and all), but just listen to her speak after a seemingly big win.

I used to like Anna Kournikova, but this partnership with Hingis...I don't know. She's fun ot watch when she is on, but that's rear these day, so...I don't know.

irma
Jan 29th, 2002, 10:49 PM
Serena is my second fav and Venus is not, not that I dislike the last one but I just like Serena a lot more.

moon
Jan 29th, 2002, 11:17 PM
Venus is #1 for me.
Serena is #2.
love both girls, but Venus is by far my favorite.

I like Anna, and although I think she is a bit overhyped, I think she has tennis skills, if she could only get it together mentally, I think she can make some noise on the tour.

Never liked Martina.

GrandSlammed
Jan 29th, 2002, 11:40 PM
WILLIAMS!WILLIAMS!WILLIAMS!

Isn't She MAGNIFICIENT!
http://ausopen.com/images/pics/large/bh02-14-029.jpg

Isn't SHE MAGNIFICENT!
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/tennis/2000/australian_open/news/2000/01/19/australian_wednesday/lg_williams_ap_01.jpg

Infiniti2001
Jan 30th, 2002, 12:33 AM
Serena is okay(I think she talks way too much, she needs let her to let tennis do the talking like her sister does), but Venus is simply the best as far as I am concerned. I wuv that kid... What athleticism, what grace, what class! I will never forget her speech after her win over Serena at the US Open... Rena is definitely lucky to have Venus as a sister...
I've always been indifferent towards Anna, because I frankly just don't get the hype .. I still want her to win at least a tier 5 though <evil grin>
When it comes to Martina Hingis I really don't care :P

Dawn Marie
Jan 30th, 2002, 01:39 AM
Venus#1 favorite
Serena#2 favorite

And if Venus ever plays Serena in a match.. I will always pull for big sis to kick but!:) I just think that Venus has the type of persoanlity that I could really get along with. She's funny smart and yet has a serious quiet side. I know she loves to read and draw. some things that I too enjoy. Serena is cool too but imho she doesn have a mysterious quality that Venus has.

As far as Anna K. .. She is overhyped but has a good game. I actually like her more than I did a year ago. She seems to be maturing somewhat. But I have this feeling that if we were friends that I would probably have to kick her ass at times. lol

Martina Hingisova.. never liked her and never will. I truley think she's only humble now a BIT cause she is losing big matches. But as soon as she wins again she'll only get rude again. If I were to actually know Hingisova, I am so sure that I would be kicking her ass too.. lol

apoet29
Jan 30th, 2002, 01:50 AM
I have watched Venus develop and flourish since 97 and I must say that she is a wonderful role model for any player on the tour. She is kind and gracious in defeat and even when she beats a player, Venus always has kind words for them. I think this year Venus will really try and play more.

I like Serena, but she has hurt her own credibility by making excuses for every bad loss. I do think that she is learning though from that mistake by letting her tennis do the talking. After losing six match points and the match to Seles last summer, Serena won the Canadian Open, made it to the finals of the US Open by beating Hingis and Davenport and won the Chase. I think she is growing up a bit and she has a great role model in her sister.

I use to be a huge Hingis fan, but her actions in 1999 made it really difficult for me to remain one. I realize that she was very young and under a lot of pressure, but I never got the sense that Martina was actually sorry for her actions during the Oz and Fo that year. Maybe (hopefully) I am wrong. I do think Hingis is incredibly talented and she has my fullest sympathies for her loss in this year's final. Hopefully, things will turn around for her.

Kournikova, I can take or leave. She is talented, but I get the sense from Anna that she is not willing to really push herself to the next level. She seems to be caught in a rut, merely happy to get decent results and play doubles with Hingis. I think Anna uses her fame (modeling, music videos, movie roles and workout videos) as a way to feel better about herself. In other words, "I may not be able to succeed as a singles player in tennis, but I can get more attention than anyone else." If this is true of Kournikova, then she really needs someone in her life to care enough about her tennis to force her to turn her career around because the competition is tougher and no one is impressed with Anna's fame enough to be intimidated by her. It would be a shame if she spent her career as a doubles specialist because she has more talent than that.

Kart
Jan 30th, 2002, 01:55 AM
I much prefer Serena to Venus in terms of playing style and I think she is more talented.

In terms of character though, particularly after her Wimbledon final speech last year, I cannot help but have a lot of respect for Venus :) and Serena's tendency to get sick (I'm not questioning whether she is or not) during big matches irritates me.

I like both Martina and Anna mainly because they get a lot of stick from the media and seem to be perpetually underrated.

Carlitos
Jan 30th, 2002, 02:01 AM
I┤m totally going with Grandslammed!
I like them equally!I think each Williams sister has her own great personality and mystery!And what would a lonly Williams sister be?Of course just a simple tennis player!So the great mystery around the Williams sisters has only become one because there are TWO amazing sisters who play amazing tennis!

BTW:For me there is no Hingis-Kournikova question because I don┤t like them both!!!

anton
Jan 30th, 2002, 02:06 AM
I like Venus because of her style and athleticism and attitude.
Serena is kind of like a shadow of Venus and makes a lot of excuses and is injured even more than Venus. Also grunts very, very loudly. But Serena matches are just as dramatic as Venus' and Serena is amazing in a different way than Venus with the huge muscules and the straight blonde hair and very bold in her talk. But Serena has only played 9 events in 52 weeks so that really is hurting her.

saki
Jan 30th, 2002, 02:31 AM
I like both Anna & Martina, but kind of by default. I don't like power tennis, so the only top players that I can really support are Anna, Martina, Justine, Sandrine & Silvia.

I like watching the variety of strokes that Anna can come out with, and her career is interesting to follow because of all the ups and downs. I think she really wants singles success - the drive was definitely there in 1998 but the injuries since have been dispiriting and she has been consoling herself with the limelight off-court and doubles success.

Dawn Marie
Jan 30th, 2002, 02:37 AM
Sk by the way I love your avatar:)

saki
Jan 30th, 2002, 02:40 AM
Dawn - thanks! It's my favourite Steffi pic... Doesn't she look stunning? *sigh*

marshmellow
Jan 30th, 2002, 03:47 AM
im an anna fan, and i now like hingis more becos of her partnership with anna. IMO, playing doubles with martina has helped anna and even though it may seem that the best doubles partnership is "martina with anyone"....http://www.freakygamers.com/smilies/s2/kao/otn/pclapping.gif..... anna carries her weight in that partnership...

im not a fan of powerhitters as well....so i can't say about venus and serena...

maybe playing doubles with your fave usually gets you to like the person they play with....

Jordan.
Jan 30th, 2002, 03:52 AM
I Likey both!They are so sweet.

victory1
Jan 30th, 2002, 04:36 AM
I LOVE both Williams equally, but I think I might LIKE Venus a little more than Serena ;)

destructo_girl
Jan 30th, 2002, 01:01 PM
I'm a big fan of Martina. But I liked Anna too, before I found out they had been partners at one stage. Then I just thought, what a great team.

Then they got back together, and now I LOVE Anna too, by default. But her cuteness has just got me really into her too.

Martina and Anna rock forever!

ajayares
Jan 30th, 2002, 02:51 PM
Well Anna has always been my favorite and I have always liked Martina, so them playing doubles is just an added bonus..

As for Venus and Serena, well I don't mind them either, I like watching them play.. there are only a few players that I can't stand really..

Apoet - Perhaps you could inform me of all of these Movie Clip's, Video Clip's and workout Video's that she has done.. you love to make everyone else think Anna spends 50% of her time doing all of this stuff??? and the Modelling, yeah.. she has done heaps of that.. Omega and what else???(a few magazine interviews, where thay took some pictures and a calendar she did, during her injury)
Haven't Any other players appeared on the front cover of magazines?? eg Venus, Serena

It is really becoming annoying becuase you overstate eveything and you think you know what best for Anna?? where you have got absolutely know idea what Anna does... sure you can state your opinion, but the same crap everytime..

She has not got a coach (you have that right).. she has spent all of 4 days doing her parts in the movies (exercise one, Video clip and Me myself and Irene) and a few hrs here and there for an interview etc..

So Why aren't you on other players backs?? Oh that's right they have won some titles.. so that ok..

Yeah, i love to know how you come up with the conclusion that she is not interested in singles either :rolleyes:

Whatever I am sure we will be able to reread the same crap you type again.. perhaps you can save your post and you repeat it next time a topic about Anna appears..

As for this " I may not be able to succeed as a singles player in tennis, but I can get more attention than anyone else."
Who is stating this?? its your opinion.. so that makes it true does it?? Gee your comments are laughable.. anyway carry on with you constant drivel about Anna.. I am sure you will get tired at some point..

Oh in regards to your other post on the Venus thread.. Anna does have a trainer and In relation to not taking Anna seriously as a tennis player .. yeah I suppose when you have been playing a sport day in day out since the age of 5 and are known for putting in as much work on the tennis court as any other player, alot more in most cases.. if you cannot take them seriously as a players, I suppose any other player cannot be taken seroiusly either..

Oh well..

Martian Stacey
Jan 30th, 2002, 03:18 PM
When i first started following tennis, Martina and Anna became my fav players right away, and obviously as far as Martina goes that hasn't changed. But as i started following tennis more closely, i didn't like Anna as much, and i went off her totally for a while. As Martina and Anna re-united as a doubles team, i began to like Anna again, and then they split, so i didn't care much for her then. Nowdays, i don't mind her. I don't love her to death but she's ok. She plays a great game of tennis and i feel sorry for her when she cops a lot of slack from the media.

As for the Williamses, i can't comment coz i've never been, and probably never will be, a fan of theirs (no offence to any Williams fans out there)

Williams Rulez
Jan 30th, 2002, 03:32 PM
I love Venus and Serena equally.... but for different reasons.

I think Venus gives classy interviews, never does anything mean on court, never argues line calls now a days. She has matured into a fabulous girl. She lets her tennis do her talking, and confidence and self-belief is just amazing. I admire her and treat her a role model because of that. She just exudes confidence and grace.

Serena is different person. On court, she is such an emotional player. I like to watch that side of her. She can produce many amazing shots. Her matches though, are sometimes too *exciting* for me to watch. I can get heart attacks. But that adds an element of fun. :D

As for Anna, I never really liked her. I thought she was a cold person and seemed to hate Venus and Serena, so I never really liked her.

As for Martina, I never really liked her either. Mainly cause she used to make many nasty comments about Venus and Serena, so yeah, I never liked her. And I have even less reason to like her now, after she stopped her wonderful all court play which I loved about her. I think Martina has matured however, she doesn't say offensive things any more, so I guess, she has matured.

moby
Jan 30th, 2002, 04:51 PM
I love everything about marti. and i'm partial towards anna cause she's playing doubles with marti, which is really the main reason.

i really dont like venus, cause i've said it before, she seems so cold and detach and i dont like people who just dont show any emotions on the court. i mean if you beat someone easily, you should jump up and down and at least pretend to be really happy. serena is different, cause she's much more friendly and outgoing and i'm partial towards her too.

of course NOONE comes close to marti right now.

Williams Rulez
Jan 30th, 2002, 06:20 PM
Why should you feel glad if you beat some one easily? I mean like Venus expects to do that some times... :o

babsi
Jan 30th, 2002, 06:32 PM
The only player I like in this topic is Anna.

And I don't believe for one second that her and Martina are the best of friends, I think it is a publicity thing, but that is just my opinion:)

And another thing, really 'Spice Girls' is very dated, I cringe everytime I read that and I have never and will never ever call them that.

sartrista7
Jan 30th, 2002, 06:50 PM
babsi - I agree, the 'spice girls' thing is SOOOO passÚ it's unbelievable. Anna and Martina deserve better than to be named after a washed-up crap girl group.

thefreedesigner
Jan 30th, 2002, 06:58 PM
Well I'm a Martina fan who doesn't have an awful lot of time for Anna ('cept when she's playing doubles with Martina. :D). I mean she's a good (better than good) player, but like, so?

apoet29
Jan 30th, 2002, 07:27 PM
Originally posted by ajayares
Well Anna has always been my favorite and I have always liked Martina, so them playing doubles is just an added bonus..

As for Venus and Serena, well I don't mind them either, I like watching them play.. there are only a few players that I can't stand really..

Apoet - Perhaps you could inform me of all of these Movie Clip's, Video Clip's and workout Video's that she has done.. you love to make everyone else think Anna spends 50% of her time doing all of this stuff??? and the Modelling, yeah.. she has done heaps of that.. Omega and what else???(a few magazine interviews, where thay took some pictures and a calendar she did, during her injury)
Haven't Any other players appeared on the front cover of magazines?? eg Venus, Serena

It is really becoming annoying becuase you overstate eveything and you think you know what best for Anna?? where you have got absolutely know idea what Anna does... sure you can state your opinion, but the same crap everytime..

She has not got a coach (you have that right).. she has spent all of 4 days doing her parts in the movies (exercise one, Video clip and Me myself and Irene) and a few hrs here and there for an interview etc..

So Why aren't you on other players backs?? Oh that's right they have won some titles.. so that ok..

Yeah, i love to know how you come up with the conclusion that she is not interested in singles either :rolleyes:

Whatever I am sure we will be able to reread the same crap you type again.. perhaps you can save your post and you repeat it next time a topic about Anna appears..

As for this " I may not be able to succeed as a singles player in tennis, but I can get more attention than anyone else."
Who is stating this?? its your opinion.. so that makes it true does it?? Gee your comments are laughable.. anyway carry on with you constant drivel about Anna.. I am sure you will get tired at some point..

Oh in regards to your other post on the Venus thread.. Anna does have a trainer and In relation to not taking Anna seriously as a tennis player .. yeah I suppose when you have been playing a sport day in day out since the age of 5 and are known for putting in as much work on the tennis court as any other player, alot more in most cases.. if you cannot take them seriously as a players, I suppose any other player cannot be taken seroiusly either..

Oh well..

Ajayres

It's called having an opinion. I'm certainly entitled to mine as you are to yours and if my opinions are drivel, then your constant comments about Anna's greatness are extremely laughable. I don't think Anna is a terrible player at all. She is very talented and i have stated that several times in the past. It is obvious to anyone that she really needs to make changes to her career if she really hopes to fulfill her potential at all.

To be honest, I get sick of you attacking each and every person who does not worship Anna as you apparently do. I can understand your wanting to defend her from baseless attacks; however, if any person on this board says anything remotely critical of Anna you jump on the offensive. Why? Is it because you know that they are telling the truth about her? If you really want to get any support for Anna, just talk about her and stop attacking people. That is one thing I will give Anna credit for, she never attacks anyone and just lives her life. Maybe you should try doing the same.

apoet29
Jan 30th, 2002, 07:37 PM
Originally posted by ajayares
Well Anna has always been my favorite and I have always liked Martina, so them playing doubles is just an added bonus..

As for Venus and Serena, well I don't mind them either, I like watching them play.. there are only a few players that I can't stand really..

Apoet - Perhaps you could inform me of all of these Movie Clip's, Video Clip's and workout Video's that she has done.. you love to make everyone else think Anna spends 50% of her time doing all of this stuff??? and the Modelling, yeah.. she has done heaps of that.. Omega and what else???(a few magazine interviews, where thay took some pictures and a calendar she did, during her injury)
Haven't Any other players appeared on the front cover of magazines?? eg Venus, Serena

It is really becoming annoying becuase you overstate eveything and you think you know what best for Anna?? where you have got absolutely know idea what Anna does... sure you can state your opinion, but the same crap everytime..

She has not got a coach (you have that right).. she has spent all of 4 days doing her parts in the movies (exercise one, Video clip and Me myself and Irene) and a few hrs here and there for an interview etc..

So Why aren't you on other players backs?? Oh that's right they have won some titles.. so that ok..

Yeah, i love to know how you come up with the conclusion that she is not interested in singles either :rolleyes:

Whatever I am sure we will be able to reread the same crap you type again.. perhaps you can save your post and you repeat it next time a topic about Anna appears..

As for this " I may not be able to succeed as a singles player in tennis, but I can get more attention than anyone else."
Who is stating this?? its your opinion.. so that makes it true does it?? Gee your comments are laughable.. anyway carry on with you constant drivel about Anna.. I am sure you will get tired at some point..

Oh in regards to your other post on the Venus thread.. Anna does have a trainer and In relation to not taking Anna seriously as a tennis player .. yeah I suppose when you have been playing a sport day in day out since the age of 5 and are known for putting in as much work on the tennis court as any other player, alot more in most cases.. if you cannot take them seriously as a players, I suppose any other player cannot be taken seroiusly either..

Oh well..

BTW, unlike some others on this thread, I never called Anna a bitch or slut or said that she was using Hingis to win doubles matches or that she had a cold personality. When I look back on what I wrote, I said she was a talented player caught in a rut. I never said that she didn't care about singles or that she didn't work hard. I really resent your attacks on me. You had no right to do it or call my opinions drivel.

Aloysius
Jan 30th, 2002, 08:31 PM
Actually, the Spice Girls was a name originally given to the women who appeared on a porn channel called the Spice Channel in the US. The Spice Girls pop band didn't know this when they chose their name. They took it to mean many different flavours coming together. Martina and Anna were dubbed "Spice Girls" by the media when Martina made the analogy that Venus, Anna, Mirjana, Serena and herself were like the Spice Girls - young women with different personalities coming together to add spice to women's tennis. Like everything with the media, they take one thing a person has said and then run with it. Don't they still dub Madonna as the Material Girl?

Since some people took this as an opportunity to be mean to the players they dislike, I want to have a go too. But I can't say much because I like 3 out of th 4 players mentioned. Serena leaves me cold. She wears bad clothes, she has bad hair, she ignores her fans, she doesn't play very much, has a lot of excuses, and doesn't come across as anything but a poor imitation of Venus' shadow. She's definitely more favoured by Richard, whom I don't particularly like. Venus is more like Oracene, who is a wonderful parent and role model to her children. Those are my superficial reasons. There. Now I don't feel like I've missed out on the fun. ;)

Bright Red
Jan 31st, 2002, 12:52 AM
Great post apoet29.

I see that you're having trouble with certain posters who have nothing better to do than to attack other posters who express opinions about their faves. I haven't been here 2 days and already I have mine.

I actually enjoy it sometimes. I think of them as my own little fan club. Every once in a while, I shoot back a smart allicky comment and it satisfies them for a while and they come back for more. It's fun.

I have a long term plan of helping them be more. My goal is to get them to talk tennis and to express opinions about the players. Unfortunately it isn't looking good so far. ***sigh***

apoet29
Jan 31st, 2002, 02:26 AM
Originally posted by Bright Red
Great post apoet29.

I see that you're having trouble with certain posters who have nothing better to do than to attack other posters who express opinions about their faves. I haven't been here 2 days and already I have mine.

I actually enjoy it sometimes. I think of them as my own little fan club. Every once in a while, I shoot back a smart allicky comment and it satisfies them for a while and they come back for more. It's fun.

I have a long term plan of helping them be more. My goal is to get them to talk tennis and to express opinions about the players. Unfortunately it isn't looking good so far. ***sigh***

Thank you for your kindness and sense of humor. Unfortunately, I don't share it. I can appreciate fans who want to protect their favorites from slanderous statements, but I cannot understand fans who have a problem with someone making constructively critical comments about their favorite. Ajayres has every right to disagree with me, but he does not reserve the right to attack my person. While I believe that Ajayres believes more in facts than theories, he must acknowledge that something is wrong with a talented player who cannot win a tournament. The fact that he does not, in the face of such terrible attacks on Anna's character in this thread which he has not acknowledged, shows that I must have struck a nerve somewhere.

I do believe that Anna is in a rut and there is nothing wrong with saying so. I do believe that she is compensating her singles losses with off the court success and double championships. If Ajayres and other fans do not want to recognize that, then they are no different from Kournikova's friends, family members and media who apparently have not sat down with Anna to talk to her about her tennis career. I really hope that I am wrong about that because it would be sad for Anna to look back on her career and have some regrets.

I'm sure that other fans will read what I have written and attack me as well. There is nothing I can do to change their minds, but the fact that these people will not and cannot allow others to express their own opinions is quite frankly sad.

Bright Red
Jan 31st, 2002, 02:59 AM
Originally posted by apoet29:

I'm sure that other fans will read what I have written and attack me as well. There is nothing I can do to change their minds, but the fact that these people will not and cannot allow others to express their own opinions is quite frankly sad.

Agreed 100%. I'm just glad that even though it makes you sad, you don't allow them to stifle your opinions. I've enjoyed reading your posts since reading your first post. Please don't stop.

And even though my sense of humor allows me to laugh at them, I'll not stop either.

Martian Martin
Jan 31st, 2002, 05:24 AM
Apoet29 and Bright Red, you are entitled to your opinion, because that's what you think, being an Anna fan I think you are wrong and I hope Anna proves you even more wrong in the future. But you are entitled to your opinion, as we all are here.

Yeah I really like both Anna and Martina, I liked them both before they became doubles partners, so when they started playing doubles, it was perfect for me, like a dream come true!! :). Anna is my fave though and always will be, but Martina is so close to her. I think that definitely all Anna fans are Martina fans, and the other way around. I think partly because they aren't big power hitters, who I'm not really a huge fan of.

apoet29
Jan 31st, 2002, 05:29 AM
Originally posted by Martin
Apoet29 and Bright Red, you are entitled to your opinion, because that's what you think, being an Anna fan I think you are wrong and I hope Anna proves you even more wrong in the future. But you are entitled to your opinion, as we all are here.

Yeah I really like both Anna and Martina, I liked them both before they became doubles partners, so when they started playing doubles, it was perfect for me, like a dream come true!! :). Anna is my fave though and always will be, but Martina is so close to her. I think that definitely all Anna fans are Martina fans, and the other way around. I think partly because they aren't big power hitters, who I'm not really a huge fan of.

Thank you Martin! I can appreciate that you can see everyone on this board is entitled to their opinion and should not be bashed for it.

For the record, I do hope that I am wrong about Anna. I would love nothing more than for her to prove me wrong!

I agree with you about Hingis and Kournikova. If you like one, you will like the other. Personally out of that partnership, I prefer Anna to Martina, but I think they can become a dominant team like Shiver/Navratilova, Fernandez/Zvereva provided they both stay healthy and have the interest.

ajayares
Jan 31st, 2002, 06:27 AM
Originally posted by apoet29


Thank you for your kindness and sense of humor. Unfortunately, I don't share it. I can appreciate fans who want to protect their favorites from slanderous statements, but I cannot understand fans who have a problem with someone making constructively critical comments about their favorite. Ajayres has every right to disagree with me, but he does not reserve the right to attack my person. While I believe that Ajayres believes more in facts than theories, he must acknowledge that something is wrong with a talented player who cannot win a tournament. The fact that he does not, in the face of such terrible attacks on Anna's character in this thread which he has not acknowledged, shows that I must have struck a nerve somewhere.



Its not the constructively critical comments that bothers me at all, its the fact that you make out that Anna is not interested in tennis at all and she is more interested in edorsements, you forget that she was playing really well in late 2000 and I am sure it was going to continue in 2001 before the injury, sure she is not the best player in the world, I have never stated that, I don't go around shooting my mouth off, saying Anna is so good etc etc..
But at that time she did not have a coach.. and IMO she believes at the moment that she is doing OK without one.. She has only been back on the courts since October..
But I don't disagree with you about the coach thing, she does need one.. its just that when ever I read a thread concerning Anna.. you say the same thing.. its just very annoying..

The reason it is very annoying is becuase everything is overstated. Anna is not the only player that has edorsements, that are not realated to Tennis.. and in the overall content of time it would take up less than 2% of it.. When she hardly played last year, sure she might have been doing other things, but what else was there for her to do???Anna gets 100's of offers each mth to do things but 99% are rejected..

Anyway perhaps I should not have attacked you (not that I would have put it that way)
But you are right about one thing, I like to deal in FACTS..

Oh just one more thing.. I will add it here.. In regards to this comment.

"then your constant comments about Anna's greatness are extremely laughable"

Now now, there is nothing worst when someone just makes something up.. Just tell me where I declared Anna's greatness??
Um yeah I would like to know where.. shouldn't be too hard, as you can go back at look at all my posts.. I will be waiting.. then again I cannot see you finding anything.. so it is pointless..

Also I don't go around jumping on everyone who criticises Anna, I wouldn't waste my time.. that's why I haven't mentioned anything before about your posts.. But 3 posts of the same in matter of days is bit much IMO..

Celeste
Jan 31st, 2002, 06:32 AM
I adore Serena. She's my big favorite, apart from Conchita, but we know who gets the results these days, lol. I think Serena has a big heart, seems very sweet, and was nice to Steffi when she beat her at Indian Wells, very respectful. That counts a lot in my book. I am neutral about Venus, whether she wins or loses, it makes no matter to me. Though I can't wait until Lindsay beats Venus, Lindsay wants it so bad! Serena plays with so much heart. Venus to me is a machine, much like Graf, though I loved Graf. I guess it's a personal thing.

the cat
Jan 31st, 2002, 06:33 AM
I definately adore Anna and I like Martina very much.

Dawn Marie, you're going to kick Anna's and Martina's arses? LOL! I kind of doubt it. You and Anna in a staredown? I'll take Anna in her high heels and intimidating glare! Dawn, you'd probably act like a 'fraidy cat and run away from Anna!

ajayares, I know you adore Anna, but you've got to calm down. apoet29 is one of the best posters on any tennis board. And in know way does she personally attack Anna. apoet doesn't deserve to be treated like that. apoet has never slandered Anna or called her nasty names, as some posters have done. apoet29 acknowledges Anna's talent. But she thinks Anna's so called outside interests may have hurt her tennis developement. I, like you, believe it has been the injuries that have hurt Anna the most. Most tennis fans know that Anna is one of the hardest working tennis players in the world. Unfortunately alot people think her glamour girl image has hurt her tennis career. I'm not one of them. But to each their own.

apoet29 makes a fine point about Anna needing someone in her life to force her to turn her career around because the competition is getting tougher. I sure hope that someone is a fine tactical coach. I sure don't want her mother acting as her coach the rest of Anna's career. Do you ajay? I didn't think so.

apoet29
Jan 31st, 2002, 09:37 PM
Originally posted by ajayares


Its not the constructively critical comments that bothers me at all, its the fact that you make out that Anna is not interested in tennis at all and she is more interested in edorsements, you forget that she was playing really well in late 2000 and I am sure it was going to continue in 2001 before the injury, sure she is not the best player in the world, I have never stated that, I don't go around shooting my mouth off, saying Anna is so good etc etc..
But at that time she did not have a coach.. and IMO she believes at the moment that she is doing OK without one.. She has only been back on the courts since October..
But I don't disagree with you about the coach thing, she does need one.. its just that when ever I read a thread concerning Anna.. you say the same thing.. its just very annoying..

The reason it is very annoying is becuase everything is overstated. Anna is not the only player that has edorsements, that are not realated to Tennis.. and in the overall content of time it would take up less than 2% of it.. When she hardly played last year, sure she might have been doing other things, but what else was there for her to do???Anna gets 100's of offers each mth to do things but 99% are rejected..

Anyway perhaps I should not have attacked you (not that I would have put it that way)
But you are right about one thing, I like to deal in FACTS..

Oh just one more thing.. I will add it here.. In regards to this comment.

"then your constant comments about Anna's greatness are extremely laughable"

Now now, there is nothing worst when someone just makes something up.. Just tell me where I declared Anna's greatness??
Um yeah I would like to know where.. shouldn't be too hard, as you can go back at look at all my posts.. I will be waiting.. then again I cannot see you finding anything.. so it is pointless..

Also I don't go around jumping on everyone who criticises Anna, I wouldn't waste my time.. that's why I haven't mentioned anything before about your posts.. But 3 posts of the same in matter of days is bit much IMO..

Ajayres,

Thank you for your constructive post. This one I understand and appreciate. You must understand that when you go around calling someone's post "drival" and "crap" they are going to perceive it as an attack and act accordingly. if you really want to convince someone they are wrong, question their ideas, don't attack their person.

I don't believe that I am overstating anything concerning Anna nor at any time did I say that she doesn't care about her tennis, but Anna needs a lot of help and work if she is to ever live up to her potential. Yes, other players have endorsements, but perhaps they can handle the pressure better than Anna can. That is what I was trying to say. If you perceived it as "annoying," "pointless" or a "bit much" there is very little I can do about it. I am certainly not going to stop posting my opinions about Anna because they do not coincide with yours.

You are very defensive about Anna and I am not the first person you have jumped on and nor will I be the last. If my posts bothered you that much over the posts which accuse Anna of being a snob (which she isn't), or using Hingis to win doubles titles (which she doesn't since Anna is a crucial member of that team), then I have probably hit a nerve somewhere. All I am trying to do is to get people to acknowledge that this is a player with a lot of potential who needs help. It appears to me that anna's managment company and family are not steering her in the right direction and Anna herself appears to be content with status quo.

I know that this post will annoy you, but these are my opinions and I have the right to stand by them as you stand by yours.

apoet29
Jan 31st, 2002, 09:38 PM
Originally posted by the cat
I definately adore Anna and I like Martina very much.

Dawn Marie, you're going to kick Anna's and Martina's arses? LOL! I kind of doubt it. You and Anna in a staredown? I'll take Anna in her high heels and intimidating glare! Dawn, you'd probably act like a 'fraidy cat and run away from Anna!

ajayares, I know you adore Anna, but you've got to calm down. apoet29 is one of the best posters on any tennis board. And in know way does she personally attack Anna. apoet doesn't deserve to be treated like that. apoet has never slandered Anna or called her nasty names, as some posters have done. apoet29 acknowledges Anna's talent. But she thinks Anna's so called outside interests may have hurt her tennis developement. I, like you, believe it has been the injuries that have hurt Anna the most. Most tennis fans know that Anna is one of the hardest working tennis players in the world. Unfortunately alot people think her glamour girl image has hurt her tennis career. I'm not one of them. But to each their own.

apoet29 makes a fine point about Anna needing someone in her life to force her to turn her career around because the competition is getting tougher. I sure hope that someone is a fine tactical coach. I sure don't want her mother acting as her coach the rest of Anna's career. Do you ajay? I didn't think so.

Thank you Cat, I appreciate it.

Rubylips
Feb 4th, 2002, 03:24 AM
I love both WILLIAMS SISTER'S .Venus alway's there for me.I wish SERENA give Venus some help,then maybe Venus would not think she has to carry the whole williams family on her shoulder.Serena would be the bad momm jajmaer if she get the all of all together.She just would be unstoppable.Just my thoughs.Love both girl's.:hearts: